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81  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The NSA Is Building the Country’s Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You Say) on: June 05, 2013, 06:22:35 PM
http://www.gnupg.org/
82  Other / Off-topic / Re: [WTS] My soul, 21BTC. on: June 05, 2013, 04:54:37 PM
How about BTC10.00, Anon? Surely my soul is 100x better? Though admittedly only half as desirable as a young lady's.

Fair enough, fair enough. 10BTC taken as current offer.

Act quick; virgin souls are more valuable!
I think you may have misunderstood. BTC10 is the price I'm selling at, not buying.
83  Other / Off-topic / Re: Whoever Invented the Gasoline-Powered Leaf Blower Should Have His Butt Kicked on: June 05, 2013, 04:35:36 PM
I also think large trucks are too loud. Trains as well. But noise pollution is one of the least problematic externalities. It's short-lived, easy to block out, and unless it's really extreme, does no actual harm. It's just annoying.
84  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Open-source governance with bitcoin on: June 05, 2013, 04:22:00 PM
Something like this, maybe?

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Law enforcement, courts, and all other security services would be provided by privately funded competitors rather than through taxation, and money would be privately and competitively provided in an open market.
85  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The nature of Bitcoin does not fit Libertarianism; it *does* fit Max Stirner tho on: June 05, 2013, 04:09:04 PM
And in that event, it is entirely within my rights to kick you out of my house, or take back my gold bar. I can exclude you from the use of my property, whereas I cannot exclude you from the use of the randomly generated private key.

Ok, the "but you can copy digital stuff" argument. However, let's assume private keys would never be "randomly generated", as laid out before (laws of the universe etc), but rather in almost all cases would be taken by force or by trespassing, where it plays no role whether it's digital or physical trespassing. If you sneak in and steal jewelry out of my drawer, I might or might not have a chance to catch you red-handed. Same with Bitcoin wallets really. I can also prevent you from spending my bitcoins if I catch you in time. How, you ask? Well I can tell you but that means I'd have to kill you. :·>
"Spending" it first, to a new address is a simple matter, and what I would do in that situation. But the hacker has still committed trespass, perhaps even a form of "breaking and entering," and both of those are offenses which can have consequences attached to them.
86  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Homeland Security raids mall kiosks, claims they "fund terrorists" on: June 05, 2013, 07:53:33 AM
Just imagine how much of Govt bitch one must be to defend this Protect-The-Fatherland-From-Terrorists fairytale. Nationalism is a mental disorder.

Sadly, I don't have to imagine:

..snip...
The flip side is that if the DHS got involved, they probably have more evidence than a bunch of counterfeit merchandise. There could be an absolute bucket of reasons that the DHS did this and I highly doubt it is solely because they thought that terrorists were using the products as income. That is personal speculation on my part though. Other than that, I agree that the DHS handling this was extreme, but as far as I'm concerned, it was far from the wrong thing to do.

I guess they shouldn't have been selling illegal counterfeit goods then, huh?
87  Economy / Economics / Re: Interest rates in a deflationary currency on: June 05, 2013, 07:08:34 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury

Interest in itself is not usury (in most cultures, there are exceptions).  Usury is more generally accepted as earning interest higher than what is normal for the level of risk taken.
And who is best suited to determining the level of risk? The lender? Or a bureaucrat with no knowledge of the borrower at all? Legal definitions of usury are necessarily arbitrary price ceilings. And price ceilings, when they do anything, cause shortages.
I think the whole point of limiting interest is to cause shortage of lending with interest higher than cap. You seem to agree it works.
Of course it works, but the point is, why do it? Why intentionally cause a shortage of money?
88  Economy / Economics / Re: Interest rates in a deflationary currency on: June 05, 2013, 06:19:23 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury

Interest in itself is not usury (in most cultures, there are exceptions).  Usury is more generally accepted as earning interest higher than what is normal for the level of risk taken.
And who is best suited to determining the level of risk? The lender? Or a bureaucrat with no knowledge of the borrower at all? Legal definitions of usury are necessarily arbitrary price ceilings. And price ceilings, when they do anything, cause shortages.
89  Economy / Economics / Re: Interest rates in a deflationary currency on: June 05, 2013, 03:18:26 AM
Your views color your perception of the world, Impaler. By looking at interest with a bias, you seek evermore complex "solutions" to a problem that isn't there.

You are like the early astronomers who, because a biased view that Earth was the center of the universe, had to concoct elaborate schemes to explain the motion of the planets, when a simpler, heliocentric model would explain it all, without planets having to do loop-die-loops in the sky.

Interest is not bad, it is not good, no more than the price of grain is good or bad. Interest is simply the price of money.
90  Economy / Economics / Re: Interest rates in a deflationary currency on: June 05, 2013, 12:25:56 AM
Well on this thread you're the one banging on the pulpit.

I never said I wasn't, it's myrkul who needs to defend this absurd claim that the rest of 'you' and 'Austrians' broadly are not operating out of a moralistic framework that rationalizes usury by defining the lender as morally virtuous and the borrower as morally flawed.

Economics is value-free.  Borrowers are not "bad" and savers are not "good".  If you want to argue about "usury", do it in the religious section.

Anyone claiming that their ideology is value free is either ignorant or ashamed of the values it actually carries.  Nothing made by man is free of value judgments, especially economics.  You would have to be the most blindly obtuse person ever born to think that Marx-vs-Adam Smith or hard-vs-soft money or the Keynes-vs-Hayek debates are value-free, it is saturated with value judgments.  These are indeed some of the most pivotal value debates that have existed in the last century.

You're projecting, my friend. Your use of the word "usury" indicates that you make a value judgment on interest, and because Austrian theory provides a valid explanation for why interest happens, you assume that we take the opposite position, and are defending interest. That's absurd. We are explaining it, as a natural part of the economy, the price of money. But because you view it as bad, we who do not agree with you must therefore view it as good. It's not bad, it's not good. It just is.

Now, the interest rate can tell us a great deal about the underlying economy, but only if it is left, like other prices, to float in the marketplace.
91  Other / Politics & Society / Re: brave new world on: June 05, 2013, 12:09:54 AM
Well, if 'revolutions' only changed things by 180 degrees, they would call them u-turns.

If I recall revolution is a 360 degree movement, then, are we supposed to in the same spot? Same situation?

If so, revolution is far from enough, we need something else.
Revolution.
92  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This sums it up well. on: June 05, 2013, 12:08:13 AM
Remember when Microsoft had a natural monopoly on computer software?  It's a good thing the Feds put a stop to it; now we are able to enjoy Chrome, Firefox, Linux, Apple, etc.!
Are you kidding?

Linux and apple worked just fine alongside MS, I used Netscape(now firefox) instead of MS explorer. Now I use Chrome btw.
(Pssst: that was his point.)
Hmm, I have an excuse ready - english is my second language. Tongue
Sarcasm comes across poorly in dry text, anyway. You basically have to know the other person's views well enough to detect that he's saying something that doesn't fit.
93  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This sums it up well. on: June 04, 2013, 11:26:25 PM
Remember when Microsoft had a natural monopoly on computer software?  It's a good thing the Feds put a stop to it; now we are able to enjoy Chrome, Firefox, Linux, Apple, etc.!

Are you kidding?

Linux and apple worked just fine alongside MS, I used Netscape(now firefox) instead of MS explorer. Now I use Chrome btw.
(Pssst: that was his point.)
94  Economy / Economics / Re: Interest rates in a deflationary currency on: June 04, 2013, 09:40:14 PM
Politics would be another appropriate area for debating usury.  Most of the Austrians that he refers to are probably also libertarians, which would justify his confusion.

I could totally see libertarians arguing that saving is good (especially when the discussion involves government).
Yeah, he's getting a little mixed up. Personal finance is not national monetary policy. Personal finance, borrowing/saving dichotomy is no big thing. National monetary policy, borrowing/saving becomes a big thing.

You can't send robots to Mars by basing your endeavor on Ptolemaic model of the universe. You can't use decentralized, limited-supply currency based on archaic concepts of debt money and interest.

You know, they charged interest on loans denominated in gold, too. "Debt money" is a relatively new concept.
95  Economy / Economics / Re: Interest rates in a deflationary currency on: June 04, 2013, 08:56:33 PM
Well on this thread you're the one banging on the pulpit.

I never said I wasn't, it's myrkul who needs to defend this absurd claim that the rest of 'you' and 'Austrians' broadly are not operating out of a moralistic framework that rationalizes usury by defining the lender as morally virtuous and the borrower as morally flawed.

Economics is value-free.  Borrowers are not "bad" and savers are not "good".  If you want to argue about "usury", do it in the religious section.
This.
96  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If Anarchy can work, how come there are no historical records of it working? on: June 04, 2013, 08:54:47 PM
Classic side issue that An-Cap&Co always struggles with: at what age are they "old enough"?
Old enough for what? Dress themselves? Most kids can do that by five.
Cross the street? 7, maybe 8 for the slow ones.
Drink responsibly? Hell, even some adults aren't mature enough to handle that.
Age is a number. Maturity is not measured in years.
If you hadn't snipped out the context of my reply, you wouldn't be embarrassing yourself like that. Or are you trolling again?

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Free market anarchism, or Libertarian Anarchism, which is commonly known as anarcho-capitalism or volutaryism, is a system whereby EVERY HUMAN old enough to live on their own is considered a sovereign person

Ahh. I missed that bit about being old enough to live on their own. But the point is moot. I place no such restrictions on treating people like people, and not property. I place no arbitrary age limits on competency. Age is a number. Maturity is not measured in years.
97  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If Anarchy can work, how come there are no historical records of it working? on: June 04, 2013, 07:50:37 PM
Classic side issue that An-Cap&Co always struggles with: at what age are they "old enough"?
Old enough for what? Dress themselves? Most kids can do that by five.
Cross the street? 7, maybe 8 for the slow ones.
Drink responsibly? Hell, even some adults aren't mature enough to handle that.
Age is a number. Maturity is not measured in years.
98  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This sums it up well. on: June 04, 2013, 07:47:44 PM
Your logical fallacy is...
99  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This sums it up well. on: June 04, 2013, 07:03:07 PM
They often happen to be profitable, otherwise regulations against them would be nothing but folly.
What makes you think they aren't?

Have you read any book on economics that wasn't Keynesian?

Have you read anything other than wikip?  Take this silly page you reach for so ardently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diseconomies_of_scale
Have you noticed anything odd about it?  Now, go back & look at the talk page Cheesy Cheesy
I quoted the "natural monopoly" page, and the "economies of scale" page. Not the diesconomies of scale page.

Edit:  forgot to answer the less bated of your two questions:  Are you saying that monopolies didn't exist before regulations against them, or that you welcome their existence, and a unified body of armed thugs is what you're expecting to happen? 
Point me to any monopoly not granted by government, and I'll cede the point.
100  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This sums it up well. on: June 04, 2013, 06:45:35 PM
They often happen to be profitable, otherwise regulations against them would be nothing but folly.
What makes you think they aren't?

Have you read any book on economics that wasn't Keynesian?
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