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of course - as nobody could hide the traces without complicity of Karpeles.......and they are still free to hide everything as it pleases....take the guy in custody before every proof will be erased
The bancruptcy with rehabilitation to which the Japanese court agreed is the best solution for Karpeles and his buddies, but the worst solution for clients and for finding out the truth. So all is lost ? may I trash my coin? |
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we have only one problem and that is that the craptofuck Ponzi is broke because women donīt like Mark Karpeles...and all guys associated with Gox and bitcoin...
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it's obvious that Bitstamp has a problem with its platform and it may sink soon.
I don't think the problems are coming from their bank. Their account is OK but their system is sinking...It may be the next MtGox.
Only... they are anonymous, so sueing them might be much more complicated. Which also means they are more likely to just grab any funds they still have and run. Excuse me, who is anonymous? Are you talking about Bitstamp? Their management has always been very public: https://twitter.com/nejc_kodrichttp://www.crunchbase.com/person/nejc-kodrichttp://si.linkedin.com/pub/nejc-kodri%C4%8D/47/227/299http://si.linkedin.com/pub/damijan-merlak/16/667/4a9?trk=pub-pbmapPlus you can find other Bitstamp employees on Linkedin just by searching "Bitstamp" with no problem. I really don't know where does this myth about Bitstamp being "anonymous" comes from, Coindesk always mentions Nejc when writes about Stamp, Nejc has a btctalk account under his real name which he used to post about his company when he founded it, when you open a ticket on Stamp the support agent always signs the reply with his first+last name... And for Christ sake you just need to google "Bitstamp CEO" to find dozens (if not hundreds) of links about Nejc Kodric. Only that it would be dump not to let some hack happen and run with that much money if you watch like Mark is coming out of this! And if not doing fractional then why not keeping the trades in the blockchain ? Nah..of course that would take tooooo long for speculating fucktards  |
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In case anyone else is wondering, I believe I have found the post Loozik is referring to:
That was just an innocent joke. I only wanted to sell (cheaply) some know-how to the market maker because I sensed the market potential could be utilized even more. But if my hypothesis is correct (controlled collapse, not theft or lost privkeys), then the person(s) who was doing that stuff that day drained Gox of coins with the knowledge of Karpeles. of course - as nobody could hide the traces without complicity of Karpeles.......and they are still free to hide everything as it pleases....take the guy in custody before every proof will be erased |
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I don't like this article, I like only what they say about ponzi (all ponzi players should read) Anyway  thanks for a link. Cheers! every currency is and as such BTC is a Ponzi as well... |
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I think you guys sometimes forget people do actually want to buy bitcoins, it's not just traders. There's not always a motive apart from simply buying.
the only motive for buying bitcoin is selling them as long as you still could possibly get cash at an exchange... |
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Second: At this time, there is NO real and/or material evidence that any other exchanges have been engaged in fractional reserve banking or stealing money or security breaches at any level near what seems to have happened with GOX. And, if audits do take place, and some of these problems exist (which is likely), there is NO evidence that the "problems" are at any level near the GOX situation.
Well... none of the other exchanges has volunteered to give even a rough idea of their financial position, especially how many BTC they owe and how many BTC they own. I count that as "real and material" evidence that they must be in some sort of Karpelian situation themselves.  Just not true. Serious academics shouldn't make such statements - baseless assumptions that a couple of minutes of research would completely debunk. http://antonopoulos.com/2014/02/25/coinbase-review/http://blog.coinkite.com/post/77699705732/updated-audit-report-transparency-andetc. Personally, I would NOT be surprised if there are many discrepancies in various exchanges; however, at this point we would be engaged in a high level of speculation to assume that any discrepancies in other exchanges (such as Bitstamp or BTC-e) rise anywhere near the GOX level of incompetency and/or fraud. If you still believe you will see your assets again if you are not the first to GTFO then just watch how Mark is playing his heist....nothing easier then even being protected from the creditors, depositors (suckers) and hide all traces if you have that much money to bribe yourself in the sunset! to "believe" otherwise is the Stockholm Syndrom |
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Has Karpeles or anybody else from Gox officially told their story of how 850k coins became unaccounted for? hacked / lost wallet / others?
NO Has anyone already established through which exchange these unaccounted coins were already routed and partially used for market making? Dream on- they are sold already and the balance went offshore but still used to pay laywers!! |
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So, what's the safest future for MrGox? Indictment and immediate remand on LI to protect from possible assassins? Three months in lockup while it's sorted out would keep him safe. But he might then need a phalanx of massive bodyguards surrounding him for his next what 60 years?
Keeping him safe from not only irate investors but how about obscure kill-for-hire that might turn up in the bitcoin investigation. Or other criminal enterprises that turned to bitcoin for its crypto-id only to find they've had a light focused on their business. Those unhappy customers won't be very forgiving.
If you could buy murder for dollars it's probably been done for bitcoin.
right now nobody is investigating......he is free to excute every possible obfuscation together with his laywers how to tranfer as much assets possible offshore and pay those ticks from our money --- wouldnīt everybody do it like this, knowing that the big fail encourages him to cover the shit up ?? are you sleeping under a rock? there are many investigations of all sorts taking place: from individuals, to groups, to academia, right up to and govt agencies are you dreaming ? actually he reigns at the top of the mountain of stolen assets and is even protected from all creditors while the cat sleeps on the keyboard......thats whats happening rather than sitting behind iron bars....and that is cooked together with those guys at TBF. The BIG FAIL BTC is rigged GTFO of the broken ponzi |
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crash?...are withdrawls now entirely halted?
it's obvious that Bitstamp has a problem with its platform and it may sink soon. I don't think the problems are coming from their bank. Their account is OK but their system is sinking...It may be the next MtGox. So all bitcoiners who will lose out on this game of musical chairs are to be faulted....after all they should have known that on an exchange you can only get fractional bookentries not real bitcoins.....GTFO before the whales try to withdraw ! |
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crash?...are withdrawls now entirely halted?
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So, what's the safest future for MrGox? Indictment and immediate remand on LI to protect from possible assassins? Three months in lockup while it's sorted out would keep him safe. But he might then need a phalanx of massive bodyguards surrounding him for his next what 60 years?
Keeping him safe from not only irate investors but how about obscure kill-for-hire that might turn up in the bitcoin investigation. Or other criminal enterprises that turned to bitcoin for its crypto-id only to find they've had a light focused on their business. Those unhappy customers won't be very forgiving.
If you could buy murder for dollars it's probably been done for bitcoin.
right now nobody is investigating......he is free to excute every possible obfuscation together with his laywers how to tranfer as much assets possible offshore and pay those ticks from our money --- wouldnīt everybody do it like this, knowing that the big fail encourages him to cover the shit up ?? |
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His suit does look cheap. Maddof looked much better. Problem is the concept of the Sunk Cost fallacy, the Gambler's fallacy, and our nature to believe in a subjective reality. Having read Rand and such, I found the only thing of value was: - "Reality Exists"
- "Contradictions, by their very nature, do not exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises, one of them is wrong."
Gox is a funny case. But oddly enough not unique. The question is what can we learn from it? C Renaming the thread : Watching Bitstamp withdrawls time closely-----its taking over an hour already |
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It might be possible that Mark Karpeles messed up in regards to the cold wallets and need expert help to recover it. I think this looks like something that's worth looking more closely into: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1z8fmc/mtgox_private_key_related_coin_loss_a_explanation/What will Gavin Andresen, other core devs and the Bitcoin Foundation do about this? Personally I would flown directly to Tokoyo and do whatever I could to look into this situation if I had the money, connections and knowledge required to look into this closely. Unfortunately I don't have this. There are however some people that do. And it is the responsibility of the people who have the resources, knowledge and wisdom to help those less fortunate.While you could say anything about people who had money or coins deposited with MtGox, the fact is that most (if any) did not deserve what happened to them. Here are some real stories about real people getting affected in a real way. It is to sad to see that families are being wrecked, and people not being able to rightfully use the money that belongs to them to buy a house, pay their debt and so on. While most of you devs and experts are smart enough not to be affected by this, not all people are. Bitcoin was meant to change the world for the better, not to fuck people over. While bitcoin is not the same as MtGox, if you actually acted on this information, and it proved to be successful, you would become true heroes, and bitcoin would shine - and you know you at least did what you could to try to help people. In the opposite case, you basically tell the entire world that you do not care. The Foundation has enough money to assemble a task force to fly to Japan and assist Mark Karpeles. A Task Force consisting of diplomatic skilled non-judging experts that will only help Mark, and not put blame, harass or otherwise make things difficult for Mark and MtGox, but an honest attempt to help the people who've been caught out in this situation. The Foundation do have the financial means. While the foundation and software experts in this community do not owe the victims anything and do not have a legal obligation to intervene, the situation is so special that intervention is warranted, Charlie Shrem also said this in one of the latest Let's Talk Bitcoin episodes. If this could be fixed somehow, and it's all a matter of fixing the private keys, and that is in fact possible, not only would you help all those victims to at least recover some part of their investment, but you would also be complete heroes, and bring a lot of positive press to bitcoin. While I understand a lot of you don't care about being heroes, the gratitude from people and the knowledge that you touched the lives of countless people will be a reward enough in itself. I sincerely hope that you will take action and help. Ps: My loss in the event is very small, but I really have compassion and thought for all the rest of the customers who got caught out. Let's not be insensitive and put blame on people and call them stupid, let's help them! Why baby ? Why all will go for the early adopters. When one newbie loose his/her BTC from a web wallet, u guys do big talk about naive the newbie is. Now u have been Goxed and u want authority intervention ? No....just asking if the authority is not thiefing themselves and as they do obviously- BTC is a death struck PONZI itself....no fresh blood to be expected for a long time to come.... |
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Bitcoin do it already, I don't have time and nerves to wait the whole day, do something already....
BTW watching bitstamp for some time now, bids are going lower, less than 4458 to bring us below $520
Its been pretty stable to $400 & $500 for the last couple of days. I expect bids to increase tomorrow with a little more fiat from Goxed people coming in. have they been payed out?....withdrawls still processing ? |
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Bitcoin do it already, I don't have time and nerves to wait the whole day, do something already....
BTW watching bitstamp for some time now, bids are going lower, less than 4458 to bring us below $520
Am waiting 30 min. already that stamp processes my BTC withdrawl ....sure we can expect a dip...get kids and women out of the way the fiat withdrawlqueue will be large  |
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