O.k.  Maybe neutrinos traveling faster than the speed of light at the LHC is more "related".  Regardless, there's boatloads of stuff out there on Einstein being wrong, the Big Bang theory being malarkey, scientists having no idea how the universe actually works in general, etc., etc., etc.  The brightest minds on the planet can't even figure-out what gravity actually is.


Just for posterity's sake:

Gravitational Force Of The Sun


What If Einstein Was Wrong? (1/3)

What If Einstein Was Wrong? (2/3)

What If Einstein Was Wrong? (3/3)

What we believe and think we know is continually being turned on it's ear it seems.

Well 113, I'm not necessarily convinced as much as both mainstream science and I know that the speed of light is not a constant in the universe for instance.  I'm not a physicist or mathematician by any stretch so I can't confirm anything.  However, scientists have slowed the speed of light down to ft/s in the laboratory using modern scientific equipment so there, in a small way I myself just proved Einstein wrong by referencing it.  

If you'd like to look into it yourself, a lady named Pari Spolter did all the work on this and wrote a fascinating book (even for the physics and mathematically inept) as well.  Gravitational Force Of The Sun.  Her work has been peer reviewed but obviously nothing has been officially published or accepted.  Apparently she does a job on Newton and his law of gravity too.  You can search it yourself if you like as there's some info and interviews out there.  John Lear references this and has some good coverage of it on thelivingmoon.com as well as a bunch of other really interesting stuff.  If you have an interest in Martian and Lunar anomalies, etc. you will enjoy the fraction of his research he has put up on the site.

Even Einstein admitted that he could be off with some of his theoretical assumptions.  Some of his work and the credit he was given was actually essentially ripped-off from James Clerk Maxwell (among others who cam-up with "relativity" and many other theoretical concepts used by Einstein) in the first place from what I gather.

From a n00b's/layman's perspective that is some very cool stuff!

Sure but interesting that it was held as mainstream truth to be flat many hundreds of years later though eh?

Which brings-up another interesting and very relevant point, or perhaps a "dilemma".  What do the ritualistic, occultist elite class who run this planet (and always have) know that the masses don't and by design at that?  

By the way Gabi, what significance is there in your "ignore" link being shaded yellow? 

White has many good points in his "work" but his analysis is full of assumptions and is riddled with manipulative inaccuracies and conveniently referenced vagueness in it's own right.  I'm not going to watch the whole thing because I feel many details within the broader subject matter are unexplainable by both parties/sides of the argument bottom line.

I find it funny and contradictory to a degree however that a fundamentalist "Christian" (and the belief system/ideology that goes with it) is allegedly debunking historical theory and ancient physical evidence that goes back thousands of years with critical acclaim.  Essentially a professional "debunker" and with what credentials?  I'm actually a bit shocked that Corbett had him on and was doting all over his personal theories and "facts" though there is validity in his interpretation of information and some of his points to one degree or another.  I certainly like Corbett's investigative reporting of current events but I feel he discredited himself a bit with that one.

Does White explain, for instance, how the Sumerians knew the correct configuration of our solar system and Earth's orientation within it, the location and configuration of Sirius thousands of years ago when the Earth was thought to be flat and the center of the universe until recently in terms of timeline?  I could be mistaken but I've never heard of 4000 year old precision optics or telescopes.  How did the Mayans create a calendar based on a 25,000 year celestial cycle, strategically and precisely align massive monuments to celestial bodies at significant moments in time and why?  Egyptians orienting pyramids in such a way to physically represent complex phyisical and mathematical relationships as well?  When and how were the massive, now submerged structures similar to the Mayans/Aztecs/Incans off the coast of Japan, India and Chile built?  Archeologists can only hazard a guess of "tens of thousands of years ago" and with what, bones and clubs? What are his interpretations of the Bhagavad Gita and Mahabharata given that it's still not known for sure when either was written?

I'm not saying I believe a lot of what the ancient alien guys are saying as truth necessarily either but I feel it's important to remain open-minded to all information and remotely rational interpretation of essentially unknown history and physical historical evidence.  

I think that there is a lot of evidence (and total lack thereof) lending credence to the notion of creationism for instance yet certainly not in the biblical sense.  I'm not at all religious yet find some very striking correlations in some religions (Christianity being one) and what I think could be valid explanations of our history as a world and as a species.  I'm open to all the information and opinion I can get on this subject matter as it's one of my interests but think one should be careful to jump on this guy's bandwagon and proclaim it as "the truth".  Personally, the more I think I know, the less I really know for sure in the end.  The search for truth is a tremendous thing though.  

If we're ever going to find the truth everyone must collaborate, cooperate, share information and ideas.  It's like trying to fight for freedom and liberty against the plantation owners in The States while being distracted and divided by an illusionary concept of Red-vs-Blue political "choice" while being ruled and manipulated by a web of supra-sovereign entities and their common agenda without even knowing it.   United we may be able to learn the truth and evolve, divided (as "the system" would prefer us to be) we certainly will fall or at least fail better.  Sorry if that is a bad analogy but hopefully it makes some sense.  

We have very little knowledge with regards to a veritable sliver in time (~5K years) from which to glean any real truth about ancient history.  

With White's opinions being publicized there have been a number of very good articles published in retort that objectively and scientifically tear this guy's "facts" apart.  However, it would seem that some people choose to default to the comfort of their own belief systems and perceptions of reality to an extent and credit White with being a harbinger of some brand of "truth".

This is not a criticism of what anyone thinks or chooses to believe necessarily but a comment on our entire concept of truth which has been continually revised through time and how many current perceptions of what is true today could very likely be proven to be false looking back some day and/or may simply be false in the present without realizing it or accepting the fact.  Like Einstein's Theories of Relativity, both General and Special, having now been proven false.  Get the average physicist in a white coat living on fat annual grants to entertain that one though.
 
I'm very careful not to be the intellectual descendant of those who laughed at the Wright brothers and am careful what I choose to believe as truth (which is very little actually), that's all I'm saying.  Do not ridicule, lest thou be ridiculed.

Wow, that's a bit of a missive there but my interest in this subject matter compelled me to put it down.

I'll leave you all now to criticize it and me if you like.  

Thanks for putting that up Bitcopia, great stuff.  Bordering on inspirational...

Great clip!  Stefan Molyneux rocks.

The once satirical film Idiocracy has now virtually become a documentary.

Speaking of movies and the state of society and pop culture, has anyone seen God Bless America?

That's why there are petitions to secede circulating in most if not all states with some garnering significant support and 50 million people aren't rioting and looting because they get free cell phones and food with the swipe of an EBT card right?

Thanks firefop, I realize half the energy supplied domestically is from coal-fired generation.  I was trying to make a point with my question that clean, green, renewable energy and roads filled with over-priced electric and fuel cell vehicles is absolutely not in the cards from what I can gather.

Here's a list of examples why the utopian green clean-energy future for the U.S. is a propagandized pipe dream after throwing tens of billions in stimulus and tax credits at now struggling or bankrupt energy companies, some due in whole or in part to domestic regulation and trade tariffs imposed by their own government themselves.  Ridiculous really.  

As bobitza said in the second post of this thread, the contrary of your question is true in my case.  Because my political and especially economic/financial views have changed radically from the status quo "Blue Pill" perspective in recent years, I have finally been compelled to learn about and get involved with Bitcoin as yet another means of diversifying my wealth holdings outside of "the system".

IMHO you are correct, the U.S. went over the cliff a long time ago.  As some say, it's only a matter of how they land now.

The good that can come from it is that people who can still think critically, make somewhat educated decisions (given monetary and political history) and ride the wave, having positioned themselves correctly in this cycle, will retain much more of their wealth than the majority of poor suckers who're running for the "safe havens" of things like T-bills or the $US if they haven't been thrust into poverty already.  The astronomically leveraged fraud must clear "the market" one way or another and a lot of people are going to get absolutely slaughtered.  The trick is to perhaps come out of whatever we face with a few cuts and a sweaty brow.

I'd be willing to bet that a lot of it has been sold into the market to suppress price and has already been recast into kilo bars in China, never to return.

Jim Willie does some very interesting commentary on the global gold dynamics and some of it sounds nuts except for the fact that one has to consider he's been right about many issues like this, in advance , for years. 

Will Energy Returned On Energy Invested have more baring on energy policy going forward or less I wonder?  The fundamentals seem inescapable but that never stopped the net-loss-energy source called Ethanol...

"If it's not an act of god it's a conspiracy." - Jim Marrs

Agenda 21 is a conspiracy, not a "conspiracy theory" and it is real.  

It's funny how many issues written-off as "conspiracy theory" are eventually proven to be true as has been the case over the last couple of decades... What a coincidence.

Not many people know of how the WHO infected tens of millions of Africans with HIV under the guise of an inoculation program in the 70s or that AIDS is and engineered virus developed by Sandia Labs in The States and they've always had the cure.  H1N1, H5N1, the same, engineered viruses.    The whole Joseph Moshe incident in L.A. that was whitewashed in the press the same day and how it indirectly relates to the Swine Flu pandemic/outbreak in the Ukraine that literally closed the borders for days is but the tip of the iceberg.  This crap has been ongoing for a long time and will continue.

There's a couple of "conspiracy theories" for you...

How is that electricity generated though, the stuff that isn't imported?  Solyndra was sure a grand slam eh?  I don't believe there's many new nuke plants being built in the States is there, I know of two?  

I submit that electric powered vehicles, let alone hydrogen powered vehicles, will not be mainstream for decades if at all.  Chevy Volt failed so spectacularly they stopped making them.  One can buy two nice compact cars for what a Nissan Leaf costs, ditto for a Mitsubishi Miev.   Or is Obama and JP Morgan going to give them away like cell phones and food stamps?  When was the last time you saw a hydrogen fuel cell-powered car driving around?  Just the infrastructure alone to service these vehicles on a national basis will take who knows how many years to build out.  Talk about limited in scope.

Oh and I agree LFTR sounds amazing and safe too but it's still just conceptual isn't it?

Further to MoonShadows great points, here's some analysis of the issue of america's energy self-sufficiency and the IEA's projections.  Lauren Lyster isn't hard to take either.

The U.S. energy self sufficient?

Prediction:  When hell freezes over.

People think the Alberta Tar Sands in environmentally egregious, wait until you see the States producing over 20 million barrels a day that it currently uses.

So what if the U.S. surpasses Saudi Arabia's production by 2020, where is the other 8 or 10 million barrels a day going to come from?

The whole notion is asinine.

Then again, if they can take over enough oil producing nations like Iraq, maybe it's realistic.  My comments above are exclusive of imperialist occupations and military/corporate control of other sources outside the borders.

I have many fond memories of playing CS pre-Steam, being in on the inception and development of Network 42 which later became Tactical Gamer.  Played with some pretty heavy hitters and cyber athletes of the time as well as many very cool people.  I'll remember the tune playing in the T's house on cs_rio (my favorite map) for the rest of my life.  Steam was the beginning of the end of my gaming but a great business model.

Well, I reckon you don't ask permission to secede, you just go ahead and frickin' do it.

While this is encouraging, I could see it getting co-opted on a national level and going pfft like the occupy movement for example...

Actually, you have one more "country" with an impressive nuclear arsenal and some of the preeminent religious freaks on the planet to worry about, Israel.  

Nuclear enrichment is as much a distraction and propagandized justification to focus aggression on Iran as the infamous and non-existent "weapons of mass destruction" were in Iraq.  This is about protecting the petrodollar standard, as it was in Iraq, Libya, etc.  

You do know that Al Qaeda is a Western creation of the Soviet/Afghan war and is currently being heavily funded through the C.1.A with a little side of Pakistani ISI and Mossad, right?  Before you call BS do a little research because arms of .gov have come right out and admitted it now.    

Do you guys actually think that the people of the U.S. actually elected Obama?  Actually believe that this two party illusion of choice is at all relevant?  Paul or Johnson didn't have a chance of being president if they lived to be a million.  Politics truly is just show business for ugly people...

A fraction of the populace even votes.  Not to mention the fact that the "votes" were processed  by SCYTL in Spain, who recently bought Tampa-based SOE, in violation of the Voting Rights Act.  Then again, what does law really mean anymore?  None other than George Soros (one of Obama's biggest financial supporters) and Goldman Sachs have admitted to having significant interest in this corporation.  Ever heard about Diebold and numerous rigged state elections?

Obama was awarded a second term months ago, at least as far back as his discussions with Medvedev over the missile defense system in Europe.  The election was mere theatre for the muppets.  

The U.S. is heading headlong into neo-marxist, statist control.  Hell, they've been discussing confiscation... I mean nationalization of the social security/pension system for a while now.  Obamacare, corporate/financial bailouts in the tens of trillions as debt placed on the backs of your children, taxpayer funded terrorist black ops as justification to "spread democracy" (read protect petrodollar hegemony), etc., etc., etc... Most in North America have no idea of how screwed they're getting or of the matrix of lies and fraud that define their ways of life.