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81  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: 5850 mining at 290MH/s with phoenix 1.3 miner. How to speed up? on: May 02, 2011, 02:10:28 AM
I'm no expert on the 5850, but I'd venture to say that version of Catalyst is killing you. Try to downgrade to 10.11 or below. Also, you are most likely using ATI Stream SDK 2.4...2.1 or 2.2 seem to have the best results. I might recommend using a tool like MSI Afterburner to reduce your Memory Clock speed, as well...and maybe bumping that Core Clock up a bit. Other than that, it sounds like you're on the right track. Smiley
82  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: 100 Ghash/sec rig .... ! on: May 02, 2011, 01:41:51 AM


Wow...CORD...MANAGEMENT...
83  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: If you're thinking buying mining hardware, read this first on: May 01, 2011, 11:33:35 PM
If you've used one of the generic bitcoin profitability calculators, you've probably been surprised by the projected income from Bitcoin mining. The profitability numbers can be shockingly high for just buying a video card, putting it in your PC, and running a program 24/7.

But all of the online calculators I've seen omit the biggest hurdle: Difficulty increases.

The bitcoin network is designed to produce approximately 2016 blocks every two weeks. With high performance hardware becoming cheaper and more widespread and more users jumping on the mining bandwagon, the only way to keep the block production rate constant is to make it harder. Thus, every two weeks the difficulty adjusts to slow down or speed up production to match this 2016 blocks / 2 weeks target rate. This almost always goes up.

In fact, it goes up at an alarming rate. Sipa maintains some excellent charts of the increasing difficulty over time here:
http://bitcoin.sipa.be/
Notice how difficulty is increasing rapidly. (The link is very flaky, so check back often if it doesn't load right away).

If you're going to make any long-term projections about the profitability of mining hardware, you must take periodic difficulty increases into account. Right now, the next difficulty increase is predicted to be about a 15% jump at the next increase. This means a rig that pulls in 29 BTC per week right now (typical for an OCed 5870 running phoenix) will only be making 25.5 BTC per week. Add another 15% difficulty and that drops to 22.2 BTC per week. Six months from now (at 15%) that drops to 6.3 BTC per week.

On the other hand, the exchange rate has been increasing lately. If you believe this will continue, then the numbers above don't look as bleak. However, it also means that you'd be better off purchasing BTC rather than mining hardware. If the exchange rate really does increase, your BTC will increase in value. Meanwhile, your hardware will only depreciate and produce less BTC over time.

There are some other costs and hurdles that miners tend not to consider when calculating profitability:

1. Downtime - This isn't just the 100% downtime when you're rebooting your computer or updating your miner application. Using your desktop will slow the miner down somewhat. Perhaps a lot if you're gaming or watching a video. Even dedicated mining rigs will have to contend with periodic pool outages or network hangups bringing production down from 100%.

2. Frictional mining costs - Unless you're solo mining (in which case you'll be dealing with variance) you're going to give up some small amount to whatever pool you join. Fees, stale shares, etc. Figure 3% or so of your output.

3. Frictional conversion costs - Unless you're going to be buying things strictly in BTC (not likely for a miner) you're going to have to pull the money out into your native currency. Conversion costs on small amounts will be painful. Conversion costs on larger amounts won't be as bad, but you'll still lose at least 1% and probably more.

4. Cooling costs - Summer is fast approaching in the northern hemisphere. Cooling a house or apartment is difficult in many regions, and even more so with computers pumping heat into your room. If your computer consumes 1000W, then it is ultimately dumping 1000W of extra heat into your room. If you don't think this is significant, go run a 1kW hairdryer in a small space for a few minutes and see how much warmer it gets.

5. PSU Inefficiencies - Any power supply won't be 100% efficient. The only semi-accurate way to gauge power consumption is to use a Kill-a-watt or equivalent at the plug and measure the power directly. If your video cards + mobo + CPU draw 1000 watts from your power supply, it's probably drawing 1200 watts from the wall. Your electricity costs are 20% higher than you expected.

Bitcoin mining is a race to the bottom, and if you don't already own a capable computer then you've probably missed the boat. You will always be up against people with lower (or no) electricity costs, and people who are buying hardware cheaper than yours. If you're counting on the increasing exchange rate to buoy your mining rig profitability, then you really should be investing directly in BTC, not buying mining hardware. Increasing exchange rates will only drive more people out of the woodwork who are willing to mine for meager profits. Even worse, there are plenty of people who don't grasp the concept that electricity and heating aren't free, and will mine for negative profits.

So before you drop cash on a new mining rig, think long and hard about whether or not you'll find it useful for anything other than heating your house in the winter.

Concerns noted. Beginning hunt for additional mining hardware.
84  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: now with coinpal shut down how do you guys transfer your money out of your coins on: May 01, 2011, 05:28:47 AM
I don't know why it says that; I just did a ~$500 transaction through mtgox yesterday and it went through fine.


I think the $800 minimum is an ACH option to a US bank account? No idea, though. I emailed a long time ago and never got an answer.
85  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (220Ghash/s) on: April 30, 2011, 09:06:39 PM
Maybe this has been addressed, but I couldn't find it...

Twice now, when I have left  phoenix running connected to slush's pool, I have woken up to find phoenix waiting on workorders from the server. It only drops to 0Mhas/s for maybe a second or less before it gets a new work order then goes back to normal until it finished that work. Restarting phoenix fixes the problem.

Would this be something wrong with the pool's server? Or phoenix? And what can I do to stop it? Obviously I could make sure to restart phoenix before leaving it running for a while but that is more of a bandaid.

You might try upping your ask rate? My argument line looks like this:

C:/Phoenix/phoenix.exe -u http://CENSORED@mining.bitcoin.cz:8332/;askrate=10 -k poclbm VECTORS BFI_INT FASTLOOP AGGRESSION=7 DEVICE=1

This might help keep you out of trouble.

So it seems like askrate is how long the mining client will wait (in ms) before it requests more work from the server IF the server has not already sent it work? Great, thanks for the help, I'll try it out.

I'm not sure about the interval, but yes, that's the gist. Smiley
86  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: 5830 @ 312 Mhash/s on: April 30, 2011, 09:05:23 PM
That's REALLY nice. I'm pulling about 295 off of my XFX 5830 Windows 7 box, but this is my primary computer as well as my mining rig (because I am just THAT poor). I can't get the core clock much above 970 without losing system stability, and the whole computer crashes with the memory clock set to anything lower than 380. Can't seem to adjust the voltages on this card at all, either, even with an unlocked OC tool.

Seems like the 5830 is a decent card for an entry level hobbyist such as myself. I picked mine up for $109, and it was cheap enough that I got it in under the wife's radar. Tongue She's Bitcoin-friendly, anyway, but still...this little hobby can get expensive!
87  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: 100 Ghash/sec rig .... ! on: April 30, 2011, 07:17:52 PM
I really wish I could find a better picture of this. No one would believe I was mining on Hal, anyway. Tongue
884509627386359275033751967 943067599621731590401694134 434007629683591574337516791 197615733475195375920401694 343151239621353184932676605 800621596380716399501371459 954387507655892533875618750 354029981152863950711207613

86% Accuracy, even. Smiley
88  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: 100 Ghash/sec rig .... ! on: April 30, 2011, 07:11:34 PM


I really wish I could find a better picture of this. No one would believe I was mining on Hal, anyway. Tongue
89  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (220Ghash/s) on: April 29, 2011, 07:37:28 PM
Maybe this has been addressed, but I couldn't find it...

Twice now, when I have left  phoenix running connected to slush's pool, I have woken up to find phoenix waiting on workorders from the server. It only drops to 0Mhas/s for maybe a second or less before it gets a new work order then goes back to normal until it finished that work. Restarting phoenix fixes the problem.

Would this be something wrong with the pool's server? Or phoenix? And what can I do to stop it? Obviously I could make sure to restart phoenix before leaving it running for a while but that is more of a bandaid.

You might try upping your ask rate? My argument line looks like this:

C:/Phoenix/phoenix.exe -u http://CENSORED@mining.bitcoin.cz:8332/;askrate=10 -k poclbm VECTORS BFI_INT FASTLOOP AGGRESSION=7 DEVICE=1

This might help keep you out of trouble.
90  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: 100 Ghash/sec rig .... ! on: April 29, 2011, 09:48:12 AM
91  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Radeon HD 58XX Series users get in here! on: April 29, 2011, 08:51:18 AM
Just wanted to give a quick update for everyone, and see what kind of improvements the 58xx series cards have had with the new BFI_INT support on the mining side. I've actually gotten some pretty surprising results with this config:

1 x XFX 5830 HD 1GB
Windows 7 64 bit
Catalyst 10.7 and SDK 2.1
Currently clocked at 970MHz Core, 390MHz Memory
Running Phoenix Miner with askrate=10 -k poclbm VECTORS BFI_INT FASTLOOP AGGRESSION=7 DEVICE=1
Temps ~ 70 - 74°C w/fans at 90%
~ 288 - 290 MHash/sec while playing music in iTunes and posting this in Firefox with 3 tabs open

I'm wondering what the 5850 and 5870 look like with the new miners to do a bit of a cost/benefit analysis...the 5830 set me back a whopping $109, and that was brand new from Newegg. I'm sure I could have gotten a used one for half of that, and that could save me a lot of money setting up mining rigs. Power is kind of a moot point, since I pay like 4 cents a kW.

Does anyone else have some stats to post? Smiley
92  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: [MINER] Phoenix - New efficient, fast, modular miner **BFI_INT support!** on: April 29, 2011, 12:14:38 AM
I got it to work. I forgot to define the device. rofl.

I did the same thing, and the command box popped up so fast I couldn't see what the issue was...has to manually go and launch the program. Smiley

Hmm... Sage advice: If you use .bat or .cmd scripts, put the word pause at the bottom, on a line by itself.
That way it waits for a keypress before closing the window on you. Smiley
jedi95 should probably put that in the first post.

Batch file modified. Noob level decreased by 1. Smiley
93  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: [MINER] Phoenix - New efficient, fast, modular miner **BFI_INT support!** on: April 28, 2011, 11:50:51 PM
I got it to work. I forgot to define the device. rofl.

I did the same thing, and the command box popped up so fast I couldn't see what the issue was...has to manually go and launch the program. Smiley
94  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (220Ghash/s) on: April 28, 2011, 11:49:48 PM
OK, I wrote simple watchdog which will restart bitcoind once it crash again, because I'll be out for following two days. This surely helps and I'll definitely compile patched bitcoind on monday.

You rule, Slush. Site's back up and looking great. Smiley
95  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: [MINER] Phoenix - New efficient, fast, modular miner **BFI_INT support!** on: April 28, 2011, 11:42:35 PM
For what it's worth, this absolutely garners this noob's seal of approval. Went from 260 to 285 MHash (give or take) on my 5830 using:

;askrate=10 -k poclbm VECTORS BFI_INT FASTLOOP AGGRESSION=7 DEVICE=1 on Slush's Pool.

Clocked at 950/400 on my actual computer (not a dedicated rig). Way to go! Smiley
96  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (220Ghash/s) on: April 28, 2011, 11:06:25 PM
Confirmed down as here well...502.  Undecided
97  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Need help getting started with GPU mining on: April 23, 2011, 11:13:08 PM
Eh...I pay like 4.8 cents a kW...it's not bad. People who pay upwards of 10-12 cents a kW should probably check the Mining Hardware Comparison link above for power consumption.
98  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Need help getting started with GPU mining on: April 23, 2011, 10:51:48 PM
I wrote this if anyone finds it helpful...managed to get a few friends up and running with it:

How to Mine Bitcoins with your GPU in a Pool
99  Economy / Trading Discussion / A Market For Nerdy Niche Stuff? on: April 23, 2011, 07:21:38 AM
I seem to have a surplus of a couple of types of niche items which are maybe of interest to the community. I just published a Zapd site just to get a feel for selling online (not too sure how to use the #bitcoin-otc yet, but I'll learn, dammit -- for now, mostly just dealing with my friends from RL), but I'm really curious...I have a bunch of both electronic cigarette components and Magic: The Gathering Cards. These are both pretty nerdy items, no? Tongue

Anyway...let me know if there's an interest here throughout. I don't have enough of either to set up a real "shop," per say, but I have more than I could probably sell to one person.

Also, in case anyone is wondering, Zapd lets me create a website in about 60 seconds from my (extremely corporate and unjailbroken) iPhone...linking it back to my blog takes some work, though. Here's what one looks like, if you guys are curious: http://1z46.zapd.co. It's not bad looking, eh? It's free...which is something.

Edit: Sorry...posted this in the wrong place.
100  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: "Don't buy bitcoins" on: April 23, 2011, 01:34:03 AM
Central Banking = Debt Slavery = Not Good
"Legal Tender" = government violence backed tender

*shakes head at author of video*
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