Not only do you fail to give proper advice (e.g. copy the address only from the actual destination, like an exchange you're sending money to) but you're making it sound that it is acceptable to just copy it from past transactions.
This is totally not true what you are implying here. ...Anyway, it's obvious you think fearmongering is the way to go, so carry on...
My goal was to get the attention of others, I haven't thought about "fearmongering" anybody For sure undermining importance of this scam and blaming users that are victim is at least odd ...It's like copying a random address from a spam e-mail and sending money to it. Makes no sense. People who fall for that would for just about anything...
for me is clear that you never send many transactions, day after day, when you have to do it multiple times P2P or in not friendly environment were is easy to get distracted, and that you will keep diluting anything I write about this scam, this is why I feel like kicking with a horse and want to end this conversation, from other side our discussion keep this thread on top of this board, so is seen by many more users each hour (which is my goal) so keep it rolling |
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I don't see how fearmongering with a non-existent threat is helping here.
the only person that undermine importance of this "non existed thread" is you @suchmoon explain that to ordinary people when they see this in their wallets  and to the user that lost 100K that talking about "non-existent threat" is not important ok @suchmoon wish you a nice day further, as always happy you join my threads |
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You're diluting the issue by insisting that scammers somehow initiate transactions. They don't... The issue is elsewhere - users blindly copying addresses from untrusted sources....
You're diluting the issue by insisting that the problem is elsewhere: "users blindly copying addresses from untrusted sources". Sending crypto transactions was never easy and that was/is always the first obstacle for any new crypto user, especially today with so many chains, contracts, bridges this is even more advanced task looks like you don't know how hard sending transactions in real life is? Have you ever done ATM withdrawal, have you ever dealt P2P? if not then believe me you can be distracted and such scam transactions in our wallets, despite sent or not doesn't help, even more, they are there on purpose as you know because scammers are really clever and take advantage on our bad behavior Real life example by ATM withdrawal from known service, one receives QR code to scan the address where to send crypto, of course when one scan it see something like LTC33KS4f948484kfjjf8988:300$ depends on amount and crypto of choice it can be even more complicated, of course whiteout indication which chain to use!!! then one need to manually delete what is not correct, and paste where it needs to be pasted, of course don't know that from start, one think have the correct address, all starts when try to send it and see message :"address not correct" or something similar, immediately start to be nervous, if we add that one is on phone, need to check addresses, explorers back and forth, there are many things that can go wrong even in peaceful environment, where one is super focused, don't mention small local store, when there is 40 degrees outside... I need to add that scanned address from QR code is not visible right away, it needs to be pasted somewhere like notepad to be able to decipher it, when copy pasted into tiny place in some wallet withdrawal tab all one see is bunch of numbers and later message "wrong address" when hit send believe me experienced user that have done transactions multiple times on many chains, using all kinds of bridges and wrapped coins, have hard time to figure everything out and do that correctly, this is only one simple example where such fake 0 value transactions in our wallets are like ticking bomb and are placed there exactly for that purpose Maybe I am diluting the issue and partially i am doing that on purpose as I have told few times only for one reason to make it sound more alarming, but saying that this is only because "users blindly copying addresses from untrusted sources" is also "diluted" |
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What is important to remember with this type of attack (if it even deserves to be called that) is that no one can steal your coins and tokens from you. This only works if a user makes several mistakes when sending Tron or Tron-related tokens...
In my opinion we need to share this as much possible to warn people, even experienced users make mistakes when send transactions, I am the best example, so this scam is not so stupid and takes advantage of that. As we can see they already succeed and scammed for sure many people one of them reported 100K lost to this. Despite we call that trick, or attack that don't deserve to be called like that, is not important, let's call it simply what it is - SCAM. People loose money all the time, even as we speak and I am really surprised to see some opinions that this is our fault that we don't check addresses very carefully. there are many situations in real life when yes, indeed you are in hurry or make simple error and copy paste one of many scam addresses that are targeting every incoming transaction in wallet. They count exactly on that one small mistake we all can do because we are humans, don't forget that few first and last numbers match the correct address. This is why this scam is so brilliant and as we see effective, despite is not the most sophisticated one. They can initiate TransferFrom function of the token contract that does not require approval only if the transaction amount is zero...
Yes scammers can send only ZERO VALUE transactions from our wallets and this is already added in my post. When I check TRON explorer and incoming transactions, I see that this TransferFrom Zero Transfer Scam is executed on multiple transactions. Few days ago it was visible but I need some time to find them, today I had no problem finding them in the flow of newly sent transactions, literally every third of fourth was marked with warning message, looks like this keeps spreading, they are gaining momentum. I hope that this is enough for developers to look at that, if they could implement such update that at least will hide/remove/mark such a ZERO VALUE transactions properly, that could resolve that problem at least to to some extend. |
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Tone down the alarmist BS. No one is initiating a TX from your address...
I see outgoing transactions from my trust wallet, and I haven't sent them, so they are initiating them no BS here! It is possible to initiate a transfer of 0 from any user’s account to an unauthorized account without failure, as the TransferFrom function of the token contract does not require that the approved transfer amount be greater than 0. This condition is utilized by the malicious attacker to repeatedly launch TransferFrom actions to active users in order to trigger these transfer events. Apart from TRON, we cannot help but worry if the same scenario would occur on the Ethereum network.
https://slowmist.medium.com/slowmist-be-wary-of-the-transferfrom-zero-transfer-scam-c64ba0e3bc4d"alarmist" tone is on purpose - I hope as many people as possible will read it and not fall for this scam PS I thought you already forgot about me @suchmoon, also am happy to see you around  |
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This is new and we have to get it out to the whole community although I have seen this warning in many articles we have to keep pushing this...
fully agree with you I see that member that was scammed 100K asked to share this on Reddit because he can't so would be great if somebody can do it to spread the word further doesn't matter if that was his mistake that he used this address, this is scam and he was scammed, not important that in the end if you fell for this you are responsible because you haven't be careful enough, this is still scam and despite everything not so stupid one as we see people lost already a lot of money |
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First of all, why anyone would go and copy the destination address from a previous transaction for their new transaction, especially when such high amounts are involved, is beyond me...
TransferFrom Zero Transfer Scam they INITIATE OUTGOING TRANSACTIONS FROM OUR WALLETS! I just posted about this in new thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5427888 |
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Watch out recently there is new scam developed TransferFrom Zero Transfer Scam! From some time i was getting very strange incoming transactions just after I sent anything on TRON network in which usually 4 first and 4 last numbers matched perfectly with the address of my last transaction. https://tronscan.org/#/transaction/71f021d17154a7a476597854d1bcf0af192da2b040cdf56bcbffa1ae38b66bd6I assume they count on copy paste mistake, many times I use addresses from wallets to send transactions back and forth and usually when I check then always 4 first and last numbers, I think majority of us do and this is big mistake! So REMEMBER to check addresses very carefully always confirm with the source! Lately scam changed, I think it was too costly to send so many transactions, and from few days I see OUTGOING (NO VALUE 0$) transactions from my wallet that I haven't initiated! https://tronscan.org/#/transaction/c9362f62af918f6197d15301de5277ff733d7b9a3f06dfa0919271bd15bea1d8yes, scammers initiate OUTGOING transaction (0$ value) from our wallets!Luckily explorers already are aware of this and I see today big warning message when I check some of these suspicious transactions. There is link in warning message that sent me to this article "SlowMist: Be Wary of the TransferFrom Zero Transfer Scam" https://slowmist.medium.com/slowmist-be-wary-of-the-transferfrom-zero-transfer-scam-c64ba0e3bc4dREAD IT! and be aware when you copy paste any address to check it fully, not only few first and last numbers because this is not enough, as you see above scammers try to take advantage of that!
REMEMBER: "it's not acceptable to copy from past transactions and/or users should go to the actual destination to get the address" |
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Ostatnio sporo jest takich głosów, by nie mieszać bitcoina do krypto. Że krypto to stos shitcoinów albo nieuregulowanych papierów wartościowych a bitcoin to bitcoin. Trochę się zgadzam...
mam to samo coraz bardziej przychylam się do tego twierdzenia że faktycznie 99% z altów to shitcoiny (airtokeny). ...sens ma bitcoin, bo usuwa zaufanie z pieniądza. Ale czy jest sens usuwania zaufania w przypadku shitcoina, gdzie i tak musimy ufać, ze nas deweloper nie wydyma?...
No i tu może przyjśc z pomocą, tak bardzo olany przez nas Taproot https://cointelegraph.com/news/a-year-after-taproot-bitcoin-community-works-to-unlock-its-defi-potential?utm_source=Telegram&utm_medium=socialgdyby Defi mogło funkcjonowac na Bitcoinie tak jak chociaż działa na ETH (na poczatek ) to by była rewolucja Enabling Web3 on the Bitcoin blockchain also means more trust in cryptocurrencies and DeFi applications, stated Alex Miller:
“The recent implosions in centralized entities like FTX will only serve to keep pushing forward interest in truly decentralized finance - where transactions are secured algorithmically at the consensus level and users don't have to trust third-party custodians to 'do the right things' with their coins. And given its history of pioneering decentralized trust, Bitcoin is the most logical place for people to conduct DeFi transactions." |
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...Czyżby demokraci tak potrzebowali pralni, że są gotowi zamieść temat pod dywan, wyłożyć płynność i uruchomić ponownie FTX?
ciekawe że o tym piszesz bo własnie słyszę takie opinie że faktycznie nadal jest mozliwość wykupienia długu podobnie jak to było z Bitfinexem, który spłacał uzytkowników przez kilka lat ale wyzerował minus w kasie. wszystko podobno zalezy od faktycznej kondycjii FTX USA, jezeli są wypłacalni istnieje szansa na wykup długu i reaktywacje FTX!!! Nie wiedziałem że partia demokratyczna w USA ma tak skrajne poglądy, które kłócą się raczej z podstawowymi zasadami moralności finansowej, łapówki, wałki, teczki pełne kasy (dotacje  ) które zmieniają ręce w zaciszu gabinetów, faktycznie wolna amerykanka Tak w ogóle podobno to FTX stoi za updakiem LUNY! dostepne są adresy FTX ludzie śledzą no i okazuje się zę to FTX zainicjował depeging! https://youtu.be/3JJNZBvT-AA?t=1946 |
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decyzja... została przyspieszona sprawą FTX. Może ktoś dużo stracił i obraził się na całe krypto?  A co powiecie na wystąpienia SBF w mediach i jego próby grania "głupa" ? Moim zdaniem to oczywiście celowe a cała bajka że adwokaci mu to odradzają to kolejna farsa, chce zrzucić wine na współpracowników, a nie przyznawanie się do świadomego przekrętu (słowo klucz) stawia go w lepszym świetle i zagrożone jest niższym wyrokiem, bo nie działał z premedytacją (chyba) Wybiera tylko te media w których wcześniej robili z niego JP morgan crypto, wiele z tych wywiadów wygląda jak by były na życzenie SBF a pytania jakie mu zadają i jak go traktują daje dużo do myślenia - każdy inny został by zmiażdżony natłokiem zarzutów i bombardowany pytaniami, a zobaczcie wywiad w Good Morning America - ludzie się śmieją z jego żartów, biją brawo na koniec, dziękuje za wystąpienie? nie wrzucam linka bo nie chce ich reklamować. |
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Kilka liczb mu się chyba rozjeżdża albo ja nie zrozumiałem do końca. Po pierwsze max 25 mln pożyczki przy 1 mld $ zabezpieczenia w postaci akcji Apla wydaje się nieprawdopodobnie małe, zwłaszcza, że uregulowani brokerzy mają często wbudowany margin i pozwala kupować x2, x3, x4 wielość portfela i trzeba aż wyłączać, bo defoultowo jest włączone (DIF, Exante)...
Bardzo się ciesze, że obejrzałeś i odpowiedziałeś, bo dokładnie ten sam moment był dla mnie nie jasny. Jak ja to zrozumiałem, to Saylor mówi, że to własnie takie shitcoiny, że FTT to taki właśnie airtoken, SOL czy SRM, ale i tak przy miliardzie dostaniesz łatwo 20 do 50 milionów pożyczki pod to? oczywiście chodzi raczej o to jak skam FTX był przeprowadzony, to opisał dość dokładnie i myśle, że na 90% tak było, może się mylić co do detali, ale nic dziwnego to tylko jego hipoteza, nie zna wszystkich ważnych szczegółów. |
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Ja na bitomatach też się przejechałem milion razy...
Proszę wytłumacz jak się przejechałeś i ile wyciągnąłeś, nie wiedziałem że można nimi (na nich) jeździć? a tak na poważnie, jakie problemy miałeś tyle razy? osobiście używałem ich wielokrotnie i problemy jak już się pojawiały, to bardzo sporadycznie, zazwyczaj przez zapchanie łańcucha lub problemy z połączeniem internetowym, dokładnie musiałem prosić o pomoc tylko 2 razy a korzystałem co najmniej kilkadziesiąt. ale nie można nazwać tego problemem, wystarczyło napisać ticket, podać TX i albo odsyłali transakcję do portfela, albo dostawałem kod do wykorzystania w dowolnej maszynie, trwało to max 2 dni w weekend, normalnie pare godzin w tygodniu, wiec myślę, że to bardzo dobra obsługa klienta, na giełdach, jak Poloniex czeka sie na support dniami. |
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oni nie mieli chyba swojego stablecoina?...
racja nie było stablecoina, dzięki bogu (chyba), brakowało by ze 30 miliardów pewnie, jak by mogli drukować stable z powietrza majac FTT, SRM, SOL jako zastaw tutaj krok po kroku M. Saylor wytłumaczył jak to się robi: https://youtu.be/dsPNjskCHr8?t=109 |
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A co masz na myśli dokładnie?
mysle ze ma na mysli FTX, scam byl mozliwy dzięki temu że w tych samych rękach była giełda, token FTT, stablecoin i hedge fund Alameda, więc pasuje do Binance jak ulał i pewnie PawGo boi sie powtórki |
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w tym oficjalnym wątku prezentowana jest nowa wersja następcy gekkosience terminus r606... Rozumiem ze masz zamiar kopać tym nadal solo? bo coś tam przebąkują w wątku że sie nie da? tez mnie zaciekawił i myślałem kupić jeden żeby właśnie kopać solo Unfortunaly not, it is a cgminer problem, and because there is no alternative to it for running this miner it belongs here.
Sorry, you did a great job on developing this miner and I am sure it will sell like "hot cakes" even without real solo mining. jakis problem z kodem? |
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Czyli mówisz, że zdecentralizowany bitcoin upadnie, bo scentralizowany podmiot źle zarządzał aktywami?
A gdzie ja coś takiego napisałem? To juz nie pierwszy raz Tytanowy proszę nie rób tak ja tylko mówie ze upadek tethera wpłynął by na rynek krypto fatalnie, jeżeli uważasz inaczej to ok jeszcze raz proszę - nie wsadzaj mi słow w usta |
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47 - wwzsocki
thanks for this free raffle OP and good luck to all participants!
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