Sorry, i don't think that you understand the way SOG link between fiat money and bitcrystals.

Yodark saw that cards sold whit fiat money aren't crypto asset, but that is possible to convert those centralized asset it in crypto asset after a certain time (... when any charge back claim is not even possible).

The same system could be used whit bcy, if setting a rolling "charge back fund" is not safe.

I don't agree, it is a a simple task for the risk management. We are talking about a certain % of buyer that "probably" could issue some charge back (numbers are know for every single category of good and services), it is always possible to create a suitable "charge back fund" internally, loaded whit a % of the total net proceed. Once this rolling "charge back fund" is created it is possible to mix all the reversible  whit non-revesible tx needed.
Nothing special, just the basis of a dumb risk manager.

And do not forget that is still possible to do fine tunig months by months whit the 50% of fiat money not burned in the blockchain.

The problem is the transparency not charge back.

Yes I perfectly understand the issue, so for the first time, Gutemberg, after the time needed to avoid refund requests from the customers via payment processors, will convert fiat money in bitcoin and then in Bcy to be burned with a manual process.
Let's say, for example, that every app. store / google play payment cycle and after any period were refunds could be requested, the 50% of the net proceed is converted in bitcoin at a transparent address and then in bcy to be burned.


Bulding a transparent system is actually quite challenging but needed.

good luck whit this.

Hallo I have a question about Gutemberg:

Will Gutenberg  be a bot that just transform immediately the net proceed for cards in fiat money from google/apple marketplaces first in btc than in bcy in the secondary market or will it be a system managed by humans?

This is a pretty crucial question because a bot ensure much more transparency in the burning process, a Human Managed System could (i say: could) be used in a malicious manner. For example by collecting a lot of fiat/btc time to time then do a cross order btc to bcy on the secondary market excluding other market participant but Everdream soft. In a couple of words: front running.

Zaifcard added on the Burning Bcy Tracker
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dyi7yMsqDOxCzk2cf9slODeein2L4GCDVubCY706QR8/edit#gid=0

Hey Yodark....
No ZaifCard annuncement here:
http://spellsofgenesis.tumblr.com/post/131154271395/zaifcard-new-sog-partner-card

Please do consider bitcointalk a valuable media. After all, the most starts here.

BCY to the moon...  

0.00008 reached on Poloniex.... and no real game yet

Wow, XAJIBASILAAR is a super best seller, in less than 24 hour:

about 43.200 bcy collected and more to come:

https://counterpartychain.io/address/1GHRfqhgC66E8dq2iDMwQsJVWegHV8s2ki (swapbot address)
https://counterpartychain.io/address/1KBVimSLRWTEf12CAJ1uWgtyakCvZGVsLw (vault address)

Here how bcy collected by swapbots from cads works (in the counterparty/bitcoin blockchain)

We have two special (relevant) adress for every blockchain cards

1) Swapbot address.
For example Bearwaledcd card swapbot address is:
https://counterpartychain.io/address/15fA9iNmeQBNsjxxABzMv6wjLv5jJKjbFb

Here bcy collected from the selling process of Bearwaledcd cards are loaded
And
Bcy refunded because of "out of stock" transactions are unloaded (refunded)

2) Time to time, when no refunds are needed, the administrator (let's say Yodark or one of his partners) move some bcy collected to another address, lets' call it:

The Vault Address. One for every card (there are two exception, two vaults adresses for multiple cards, i don't know why)

The Vault Address for Bearwaledcd is:
https://counterpartychain.io/address/16AXJY4Pzz1YnLEMfJXn5X5y88fyz1e9Zc

Almost all of the Bcy collected (and not subject to refunds) are in the Vaults Addresses.

And the Vault Addresses is exactly what I look in this sheet:
https://counterpartychain.io/address/16AXJY4Pzz1YnLEMfJXn5X5y88fyz1e9Zc


It was a funny little reverse engigneering work after all.

I am curious to see how the burning process will work. (for example will exist a temporary burning vault before the last transaction to the ultimate: https://counterpartychain.io/address/1BURNSogXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXW3ny2Y ?)

Wait and see.

The blockchain itself is an amazing zero trust game.

Thanks Yodark, I have corrected.
So we have about 500.000 bcy collected from the card sold, and about 250.000 bcy to be burned at the end of this month (for now).

I think that after all we will have about 350.000 bcy burned at the end of this month.

and no fiat money link yet.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dyi7yMsqDOxCzk2cf9slODeein2L4GCDVubCY706QR8/edit#gid=0

DONE!!!! MY Mastercoin on their way to the new destination!!!!!
fiuuuuuuu

And no  Mastercoin sended to my adress.... more than 72 hour passed.
Be careful whit MasterXchange

Well .3 BTC is Huge! by far the most costly card by now, is about: 4285bcy each!!!
I can't belive that so many (74 based on what I see in the counterparty blockchain) high cost card were sold.

It will translate in 317.142,85 bcy!!!!! at least. And 158.571 bcy to be burned at least.
It is crazy!

No, I think there is something wrong.

Hallo, I have a question.

I can't follow how many bcy or other coin were collected trough the selling of SHAPESHIFTCD cards via shapshift.

I know that a considerable (probably 74) number of SHAPESHIFTCD cards were sold but i  can't have any idea of the net proceed.

Could you help me?

Does exist a counterparty address were those criptocurrency are stored?

Thanks in Advance

If my calculation aren't wrong:

At 10th October:

229.162 bcy to be burned from regular bcy collected from the card on sale
67.007 bcy to be burned from other coin from the card on sale (I use a consrvative rate of change)

Gr. Total: 296.169 bcy to be burned

That is the 0,67% of the entire free token supply (44.433.901 bcy).

And no game yet.
No connection between fiat money and bcy trought app store and google play.

The total bcy that will be burned at the end of this month coluld be easly in the 400.000-500.000 range, probably in the top range

Not so bad at all.

You can control my data here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dyi7yMsqDOxCzk2cf9slODeein2L4GCDVubCY706QR8/edit#gid=0

Hallo I have a question.

What happen with the other cryptocurrencies (not Bitcrystals) collected from the card sold via swapbot?

I mean: the half of the net proceed from the non-bcy crypto,  will be burned in bitcrystals (after a conversion in the open market via shapeshift for example) at the end of every month?

This point for me is not clear.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dyi7yMsqDOxCzk2cf9slODeein2L4GCDVubCY706QR8/edit#gid=0

Some update.
 we have:

156.882 bcy to burned (this month)
0.35% montly burning rate (if october stop today)
4.24% yearly burning rate (if october stop today)

If cards will continue to sell so fast it will be possible to end october with 250.000 - 300.000 bcy burned-
An no game yet.

I have just recived this feedback fr0m Emilien Dutang :

Hello dear Paolo,

There has been a issue with the withdrawals. Somehow the transaction our mastercore broadcasted were not included in any blocks.

We found its related to the current malleability attack on bitcoin since most of our withdrawals have been changed in transaction id

Due to the intensive manual process we need to make, and the fact that we only have a couple hours a day available to work on this, we expect to solve this within a couple of days

Also, to be safe in this case we have to be sure the input tx are all spend and make a lot of manual work, so it will take a bit of time

Have a nice day

Regards.


.....
crossfinger

I send a message via twitter yesterday and today I send this message:

Hallo, my withdrawal was update in DONE 4 days ago, but no mastercoin were sended yet:
Here is the transaction:

636.25511582     msc 0.08000000   msc
2015-10-04 10:53:10     
13sLCg4gvKYJT6mV8Wwf7wt2oJeUuSoABq  done


BE CAREFUL WITH MASTERXCHANGE!

I already sended two email at : support@masterxchange.com
I will try with twitter
Tanks for the advice