but it's not an insignificant point to highlight considering KNC wouldn't even include a PSU and then made you pay $7000.
along with fans, smoke alarms, fire extinguishers, etc.
The main reason for KNC not including a PSU was that shipping PSUs across borders can cause unforeseen delays due to regulatory security requirements regarding power supplies. As a customer you are paying for the PSU either way. Even if it's included in the price it's still the customer's money. Edit: I'm not saying that HashFast is doing something wrong by including the PSU, just saying that I don't see much of a point in this statement. How convenient. For KNC. Then they should have been charging much less than they were. That didn't stop Avalon from shipping psu's with my order. Came without a hitch or extra charge.
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Seeing as HashFast is picking up the tab for the power supply, I'd say X-850 is good decision for the customers. LOL... "picking up the tab" for the $300 worth of power supplies is a bit of a stretch when they're installed in the system users paid $5600 for. We don't want to skimp on any aspect of our hardware, especially an absolutely critical component like the PSU. Given the problems our competition's customers experienced with PSU compatibility, we are applying that lesson to our own approach. That's why we've negotiated a special relationship with Sea Sonic, the premier manufacturer of PSUs for the performance enthusiast market, and have chosen to include them with our ASICs to ensure smooth, successful turnkey deployments. Oh, I don't disagree. I'm just laughing at the idea of saying that Hashfast is picking up the tab on the power supply. It's like Ferrari saying that a new version of the 458 Spider has 20 more HP, and that's great for customers because Ferrari is picking up the tab for the engine. HashFast likely made a good engineering choice there, but the customers are still the ones picking up the tab for it. but it's not an insignificant point to highlight considering KNC wouldn't even include a PSU and then made you pay $7000. along with fans, smoke alarms, fire extinguishers, etc.
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Why two power supplies? How are 3 modules connected to two power supplies? Are they producing redundancy? If so how is that achieved? Is each power supply connected to each board (would imply two power connections pwe board)? Wouldn't one large power supply be sufficient, cheaper, and take up less space?
For our mining rigs we have chosen to specify power supplies that are rated 20% higher than the highest wattage we expect even including significant overclocking. The GN chip uses 250W at nominal, and we have designed all the systems to handle upto 350W. When the mini motherboard is supplying 350W to the chip (this level of overclock should result in up to 540GH/s) the mini motherboard may consume up to 411W of 12v, due to losses in the VRM. Add 25W for fans, and you get to 436W per mini-motherboard. Multiply by 3 chips in the Sierra, and you get about 1300W. We've added a safety margin of 20% extra on top of this - so we needed power supplies that were rated to a minimum of 1560W @ 12v to meet these specifications, and maintain the headroom and margin we desired to ensure reliable, efficient long term operation. There are very few manufacturers who make single 1600W supplies, and we didn't find a single unit from a high quality vendor. In addition this size of supply is more expensive than 2 smaller supplies. The Sea Sonic supplies are really well built, and even significantly overbuilt. In all tests they are capable of supplying power well above their ratings, and the output regulation is very accurate and smooth. They handle hot operating environments very well. Please go read the reviews of the supplies in the Sierra - the Sea Sonic X-850FM3. http://hardocp.com/article/2013/04/04/seasonic_xseries_x850_power_supply_review/9#.UmDCKVCcc5ghttp://www.kitguru.net/components/power-supplies/zardon/seasonic-x-series-850w-km3-power-supply-review/7/Each GN chip is on it's own mini-motherboard, and each mini-motherboard has 2 separate 6 pin PCI-E power connectors. Each of the supplies feeds 3 of these connectors. would it matter how you arrange the 3 feeds from each psu to the 3 modules? in other words, is there some redundancy gained by sending 1 feed from one of the psu's to each of the 3 modules?
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these will be well worth the wait.
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Makes sense is it is reasonably powerful unit (for off the shelf stock) and it is self cointained which makes bulk assembly easier. Still I do hope HF makes "naked boards" available. The H80i isn't exactly cheap at $80. Even if HF is getting an unbranded version for coolit for say $60 each there are three and that is a significant cost point to the total sytstem cost. I guesstimate the case at $60. If the power supply is 2x 660W they are $150 ea (if larger it will be even more). Toss in two intake fans at lets say $10 ea. So the balance of system cost in a Sierra the non-ASIC costs is are something like $600 (60 x 3 + $60 + $150 x 2 + $10 x2 = $560, round up to $600 for reduced labor and packaging). Sierra's current pricing w/o MPP is $6,300 so knock $600 off and it would be ~$5,700 for 3 naked modules or $1,900 ea (maybe $1,500 ea in bulk)? Sell them as naked modules and let the community come up with innovative solutions.
i think that's in the works.
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Yeah it does seem confusing. I can't see any reason for the second power supply.
One new thing is notice the usb port above the left power supply. It looks like it connects to one of the boards. So single usb port to board #1 and the boards 2 & 3 daisy chained off it.
As for a 4th module you could certainly mount a board but where are you going to put the watercooling radiator?
HF is the same water cooling radiator used for BabyJet with obviously only 1 used (2 if upgrade module is installed)?
i was looking at the specs of the 2 psu's last Monday and the combined wattage greatly exceeded that needed for 3 modules which i calculated somewhere around 1400W. while briefly cruising around the Seasonic website i noted that i didn't see any single platinum 80 plus psu above this, am i wrong? I would certainly hope the Sierra doesn't require 1400W DC. That would be ~1500W AC and would make the efficiency worse than 1.2 J/GH. Given that 55nm Bitfury does less than 0.9 J/GH at the wall and KNC does less than 1.1 J/GH I would be hoping for something more. The stated efficiency of BabyJet is 350W at the wall or 0.88 J/GH. Assume a 90% efficienct PSU that would mean 350W AC is 315W DC. Three times that is ~950W DC. Seems that either a single 1000W Platinum or 1250W Gold PSU should be fine. For the record, at the high end SeaSonic only has 860W & 1000W PSU Platinum models and 860W, 1000W, and 1250W Gold models. One edit: one thing I hadn't considered is that HF may be saving cost by using a single model PSU across products. Say the BabyJet comes with 660W PSU. Rather than stock a different model the Sierra comes with 2x 660W PSUs. Note the above is just my theorizing. i meant at the wall OC'd. i might not have the #'s quite right.
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Yeah it does seem confusing. I can't see any reason for the second power supply.
One new thing is notice the usb port above the left power supply. It looks like it connects to one of the boards. So single usb port to board #1 and the boards 2 & 3 daisy chained off it.
As for a 4th module you could certainly mount a board but where are you going to put the watercooling radiator?
HF is the same water cooling radiator used for BabyJet with obviously only 1 used (2 if upgrade module is installed)?
i was looking at the specs of the 2 psu's last Monday and the combined wattage greatly exceeded that needed for 3 modules which i calculated somewhere around 1400W. while briefly cruising around the Seasonic website i noted that i didn't see any single platinum 80 plus psu above this, am i wrong?
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wow, that's a very cool setup that i hadn't even seen.
notice 2 of the modules are stacked. 1 of the radiators is flipped upside down to accommodate this stacked setup. also, i'm glad to see that 2 of the fans have been moved to the back to provide exhaust. also note that we have 2 Seasonic PSU's in place to drive the 3 modules.
good job!
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as Order #1, i can assure you i will be in constant contact with them regarding expected shipping dates and will keep all of you posted.
the excitement is palpable. i'm not worried about a slight delay. i've told them to just get everything right.
Ohai Cypher! Remember this? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270384.msg3267143#msg3267143"HF is still on track to get chips by October 17 and that is by TSMC's estimate, not HF's" What's up -- every question is interesting but the one about the chips showing up (or "silicone," as me & Amy call 'em ) yeah, turns out there is a window of time to get them out. Oct 17 was the earliest. tiz the way it goes, crumbs. So no chips. You do realize that most of the world interprets " chips by October 17" to mean "on or before," right? The window *closes* on the 17th, it is no longer open. Seventeenth is *the latest*. Learn to spin better or stop. if anyone should be upset, i should. i'm the one with the HF order that will be delayed. what exactly is your beef? My beef is the amount of boldfaced lying that goes on on this forum. People like you shit up bitcoin for the rest of us, GET IT? actually, everything i've read from you indicate you're anti-Bitcoin. you never have anything positive to say about mining yet you spend your entire time here trolling. i find that very strange Mr. Never Mined a Bitcoin in My Life and Never Will. Sucks being caught in a lie, huh? Just promise to stick around & let me gawk. Don't vanish as soon as it dawns on you that while you were conning everyone else, you've got suckered too. Pre-ordered my popcorn from your competition, don't make me waste it why you so full of malice? there is a chart that shows Oct 17 as the earliest possible date in a range of dates. they're late. nothing i can do about it. i'll ask again, crumbs. why do you hang out here so much when you don't have any miner orders? certainly your time is worth more than just trolling? or is it? or perhaps you're getting paid to troll? who's hired you? your orange button shows you're doing a good job of it.
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as Order #1, i can assure you i will be in constant contact with them regarding expected shipping dates and will keep all of you posted.
the excitement is palpable. i'm not worried about a slight delay. i've told them to just get everything right.
Ohai Cypher! Remember this? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270384.msg3267143#msg3267143"HF is still on track to get chips by October 17 and that is by TSMC's estimate, not HF's" What's up -- every question is interesting but the one about the chips showing up (or "silicone," as me & Amy call 'em ) yeah, turns out there is a window of time to get them out. Oct 17 was the earliest. tiz the way it goes, crumbs. So no chips. You do realize that most of the world interprets " chips by October 17" to mean "on or before," right? The window *closes* on the 17th, it is no longer open. Seventeenth is *the latest*. Learn to spin better or stop. if anyone should be upset, i should. i'm the one with the HF order that will be delayed. what exactly is your beef? My beef is the amount of boldfaced lying that goes on on this forum. People like you shit up bitcoin for the rest of us, GET IT? actually, everything i've read from you indicate you're anti-Bitcoin. you never have anything positive to say about mining yet you spend your entire time here trolling. i find that very strange Mr. Never Mined a Bitcoin in My Life and Never Will. still not getting paid by HF.
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as Order #1, i can assure you i will be in constant contact with them regarding expected shipping dates and will keep all of you posted.
the excitement is palpable. i'm not worried about a slight delay. i've told them to just get everything right.
Ohai Cypher! Remember this? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270384.msg3267143#msg3267143"HF is still on track to get chips by October 17 and that is by TSMC's estimate, not HF's" What's up -- every question is interesting but the one about the chips showing up (or "silicone," as me & Amy call 'em ) yeah, turns out there is a window of time to get them out. Oct 17 was the earliest. tiz the way it goes, crumbs. So no chips. You do realize that most of the world interprets " chips by October 17" to mean "on or before," right? The window *closes* on the 17th, it is no longer open. Seventeenth is *the latest*. Learn to spin better or stop. if anyone should be upset, i should. i'm the one with the HF order that will be delayed. what exactly is your beef?
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as Order #1, i can assure you i will be in constant contact with them regarding expected shipping dates and will keep all of you posted.
the excitement is palpable. i'm not worried about a slight delay. i've told them to just get everything right.
Ohai Cypher! Remember this? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270384.msg3267143#msg3267143"HF is still on track to get chips by October 17 and that is by TSMC's estimate, not HF's" What's up -- every question is interesting but the one about the chips showing up (or "silicone," as me & Amy call 'em ) yeah, turns out there is a window of time to get them out. Oct 17 was the earliest. tiz the way it goes, crumbs.
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as Order #1, i can assure you i will be in constant contact with them regarding expected shipping dates and will keep all of you posted.
the excitement is palpable. i'm not worried about a slight delay. i've told them to just get everything right.
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Amy's kick ass.
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I'll have to open a scam accusation if you don't reply.
yeah, that's not cool. alot of ppl have made alot of great designs in here. i wish i could have a gold and silver version of each one.
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Finished obverse and reverse, with antiqued and non-antiqued versions. I like how you compare the blockchain and germline (depicted as DNA). As a Biologist I always see a lot of parallels between the two. i don't see a blockchain, let alone DNA (triple helix).
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finally found the right rocket:
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2. tell them "we need to steal all these coins NOW". 3. get them to agree. 4. make sure you have 51% of all miners. 5. attack.
LOL. I _fully_ welcome half the hashpower to go try this. I'd love to have twice the mining income again. Here is a hint: This won't work. You cannot do this with "51%" of the mining hashpower, nor 90% or whatever. There is no amount of hashpower which is sufficient to accomplish the proposed steps. it won't work? darn... No, you would actually have to convince the Bitcoin users to switch to a Bitcoin version not accepting those coins. If you manage to convince nearly all of them, it would work and screw up all that didn't follow. If you only manage to convince a lot (e.g. 60%) it would create chaos.
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