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821  Economy / Economics / Re: Idea and money are very important to investment. on: December 11, 2023, 12:21:58 AM
Ideas are enough to be successful, but you should have the ability to find the investor and make him invest on your idea. To achieve this, it is not as easy thing, and in the past people used to build their products little by little and took to the market. Looking the real product someone comes forward and invest, further will be the profiting and business. Nowadays those kind of process won't work with in the fast moving life. Now everything needs to be precise and if found potential there are different ways to make the idea come to reality.
idea and execution is entirely different thing, some people can have the best idea there is but if there's no execution it will be just a dream, meanwhile executing idea is really difficult because when we are thinking about the idea we ignore the difficulty encounter to realize such idea.
thats why there are so many failing projects and those that got investment are only very few projects with good aptitudes of the team member that make investors look at them and say, this one project is deserving of investment and will succeed, heck there's even reason why academic background considered to be essential when it comes to the big investment firm looking for new projects to invest.
its all come down with idea, execution, and money.
822  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 10, 2023, 11:56:27 PM
At this point Chelsea owners and fans would start to lose faith in their head coach. Losing to Everton today after just coming back from a loss to Manchester united is far too much to take. I think Chelsea are far behind in terms of form and it may take a while before they get back to form.

Also Everton has been fantastic this season and they have been good lately, defeating Chelsea without conceding is a great feet to attain and they deserved the victory today.

Believe me or not if chelsea fans will be making #POCHOUT to be popular again or trending on twitter. It's caused by the horrible result achieved by pochettino. Chelsea was losing a few games in a row. This is the shittiest performance from chelsea.
Numerous people were booing chelsea caused by the bad result against everton. I have no word to describe this club but chelsea is a shitty team right now with so many amateur players.

I kinda feel that if chelsea will be declining even deeper. There's no depth on its squads. Chelsea keeps play amateur football. Im wondering who will become a new victim from this club.
Chelsea is always performing so badly even with the new players on it. It was very bad to see how chelsea is playing like it was not EPL level. Chelsea is finished. There will be no good chelsea under todd boehly.
823  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 10, 2023, 03:10:10 PM
OMG, is that for real? westham was losing 3 goals against fulham? what the hell is it? Fulham was totally dominated the game against westham. Moyes's squad played so horrible against fulham. Im not hoping westham to make its comeback.
Even though it was possible but i think this is unlikely to happen. Fulham played far better this time. It was dominating the match with more ball possessions combined with total goal attempts. It seems like the result from this match can be determine easily.
Good luck for you guys who pick fulham / double chance fulham win. This is fucking amazing to see how fulham was showing extra ordinary performance against its opponent.

Westham has no hope in this match. Moyes's squad shall let three points go to the fulham. Equalizing three goals are very difficult to happen for westham.
824  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Time to collect altcoins now or later? on: December 10, 2023, 01:13:53 AM
I think there was more than enough time to buy altcoins; the market was not in the best condition for more than six months for a long time.It was a great time to form your own portfolio and wait for the market to give impetus.Good altcoins will always be in price and will have increased interest in the green market.
when the market is not in the best condition is the rightest time for investment to be honest and there seemed to be many people not realizing primarily because they thought that at bearish it'd be the end of the market for good and they are hesitating because they'd be catching a falling knive but thats not true, at the market thats getting better right this where every altcoin left and right are pumping might be the worst time to invest because we're already late to the market so therefore investing might instead expose us to the chance of further losing money.
Some altcoins is huge pumping who's bought in a month ago, they already got profits 3x-4x in some specific coins likes SOL,MATIC & TON coin. But i would like to recommend BTC to collect in your bag, BTC is guaranteed investment if you can hold for the long term. If you’re interested to altcoins then choose top ranking coins.
No matter what with these altcoins pumping as much as they can, it should be recommended at all times to buy bitcoin. When people don't realize the power of stability of Bitcoin as the leader of this market. You don't have to be worried about the entire market because it moves the whole of it.
Whilst for these altcoins, yes they may pump as high as they can but you'll never know how it will be. So, if you're going to collect altcoins, do not hesitate to have Bitcoin first so that you're doing the right thing and then next is altcoins that you like.
general rule of thumb would be to invest 70% into bitcoin and then the remaining to the altcoin for the sake of getting best of both worlds but i'm sure some people just like to go all in.
825  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Binance Coin losing its Value, What will happen to Public Funds on: December 10, 2023, 12:59:21 AM
BUSD is not binances product, it is issued by Paxos who has partnership with binance. It is still better than USDT because users can redeem it without any fees when USDT is currently unavailable in the US. If SEC wants to destroy binance then they wouldn't let it get out of the charges by giving penalty fees. They also knew destroying binance can do ripple effect and many project will be completely destroyed where lots of US customer invested their money. They don't want to affect their investors so they just let binance and CZ go with the huge fine.
I just learned this, it seemed paxos really have a huge business in creating stablecoin even their USDT that have so massive market capitalization they'd still go on with creating another stablecoin for other platform.
but right now it seems partnership severed and binance wants no more stablecoin in their platform so they already recommended people to convert their BUSD before the fixated date.
I honestly curious what is the reason behind that since the BUSD seem to be doing fine moreover its managed by paxos as you implied which means its just as good as USDT but I guess it have something to do with business decision maybe they don't have any benefit from having their own stablecoin and therefore decide to just end their support for the stablecoin despite the fact that its also one of stablecoin thats sought after by many people.
826  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading is hard!!! on: December 10, 2023, 12:18:41 AM
It's also so funny how some wants to learn a life changing skill in two weeks or a month, meanwhile they spend 4-5 years studying an obsolete course.
this. exactly the thing thats in my mind, some people just want to spend some few hour to learn for earning money and expecting something big from it that gonna be changing their life like instantly becoming rich meanwhile they study some obsolete course for that long time and not even guarantee that they'd succeed afterwards, trading is indeed hard and only few people are succeeding.

meanwhile those people that said trading are ponzi and get rich scheme are definitely the very person that'd just throw their money into the shittest coin in existence and complain about losing their money afterwards.
this is what happening when some people that absolutely have no knowledge trying to do something they just always do be pulling some random investment and thinks they are victim then things doesn't go as they planned.
trading is difficult and everyone should know it.
827  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Premier League 2023/2024 Discussion Thread ⚽ on: December 09, 2023, 04:41:09 PM

@tusandii I too was surprised to see how poorly Newcastle performed and it shows that they yet need more player’s to become even stronger than they currently are. Furthermore I believe that it’s just a small slip up and they’ll bounce back strongly because Howe been doing good work and they’re definitely a strong contender to secure a top 4 spot for themselves.

To be honest, I was very surprised by Newcastle's defeat yesterday. I bet on Newcastle because as I mentioned some time ago, Everton have performed very poorly this season and I can say they are a team that is struggling to escape relegation. So I never thought they would perform so amazingly.

Competition in the top 10 is still very competitive. Newcastle still has the potential to get into the top 4 but I think it's quite difficult if you look at half a season like this. They have a difference of 6 points from Aston Villa and 4 points from City.

Another match for newcastle is coming soon. Hope howe will not make the same mistake like what happened against everton. Chelsea is going to face everton while newcastle is going to face totenham.

Totenham and newcastle are having the same problem at this time, these clubs are performing so badly but sometimes it can also show perfect performance. Newcastle is likely using defensive strategy against totenham.
If ange will let his team to play openly against totenham and im sure totenham will lose again. Newcastle is a typical of club that is always playing defensive and used counter attack as the main

That's the only best strategy that can be adapted by howe to beat totenham soon. It will make totenham will be frustrated to break newcastle's defensive line.
828  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 09, 2023, 04:25:25 PM
I was expecting a goal from Liverpool after they were level through Salah, and we have goal from the Elliott which bring Liverpool to the top of the league table now things are looking very interesting as after few hours we have another exciting match which will decide who is going to stay at the top for next few weeks now just few minutes remaining and Liverpool is in good control of the game.
Red card is having his impact in this game as Crystal Palace were leading, but now they are trailing and going to have another poor result which will keep them at below in league table for some more time.

Of course that's why it's called the game of football, that anything can happen. Liverpool where able to prove that experience and consistency plays a key role in this game. Crystal palace couldn't hold on to their grip after scoring one goal, Though after that Jordan Ayew Red card, it really affected crystal palace performance. Liverpool on the other hand had to capitalize on that one man down weakness on palace to unleash their firepower. It was really an interesting game, though Liverpool would have scored more goals.
I think the result of this match would have been different if Crystal Palace had not received a red card. Liverpool did dominate the game but they struggled to create opportunities. The situation started to change after the red card because automatically this will definitely affect the mentality of the Crystal Palace players, while on the other hand, this is an advantage for Liverpool.

The game was pretty much decided by that red card. Crystal palace held off Liverpool the entire game but when they received the red card everything just went Liverpools way. Liverpool again with a big comeback to win three points and this is how the title is being won when winning this games.

That red card is such unnecessary thing for crystal palace. the club will able to steal there points if the red card would not be happening. Crystal palace has been playing so good during the first half but red card was destroying the rythm of palace.
Im very disappointed to see this result. Palace could do better than it. The player who has received red card shall be blamed caused by palace was losing three points caused by him. Palace needs to work even harder.

The club is playing very well. Palace was just missing another opportunity. It's not a lucky day for palace caused by the referee was awarding red card for the club.
Palace is still having a chance to do it even better in another match. The chance is not yet disappearing for palace. It may be lucky enough other day.
829  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: December 09, 2023, 04:06:45 PM
The match between Alavés vs Las Palmas has already started in the Spanish League. Now it is half time and Las Palmas team is leading by 1 goal. The players of Alavés team did not score any goals. It seems that Alavés team will not score any goals in this match. But Alavés team now  If they score 1 goal, maybe the match will be a draw. But I have bet against Alavés team in today's match. If Alavés team loses today, I will win the bet. If Alavés team draws the match, I will lose the bet. Now let's see what happens until the end of the game.
Palmas was securing three points from alaves. Alaves is not playing that bad but its players being so wasteful. There were no good executors owned by alaves. Palmas is once again securing three points from its opponent, which is amazing.
Palmas was a strong club, but people were underrating this club. Its gameplay makes me amaze caused by palmas is very consistend in defending after it was made counter attack. Palmas deserves to win the game.
Alaves made many shoots but mostly were inaccurate shoots. The players were being so wasteful. Alaves got 5 chances but all of these chances were missing. Alaves was not lucky enough in this game.

Congrats for palmas to secure another three points. Palmas is in top 10 now.
830  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 09, 2023, 02:56:10 PM
Newcastle's loss may seem like a mistake, but the overall picture matters. Football losers can't just blame bad luck. Everton showed their potential against Newcastle in the second half. Newcastle's defense was sloppy, right? Everton won due of a series of blunders. Their defense must improve to stay in first position in the league. Newcastle is a terrific team, but their inconsistency annoys me. Seventh, but their game needs more stability. Tottenham, who started well, is next. Not good for them either. Newcastle is great, but Tottenham may win this game. Newcastle must improve, but we'll see

Newcastle's game was too comfortable in controlling the ball and attacking. there were gaps in their defense and some mistakes because they panicked. 3 goals against Newcastle are payment for inconsistency and lack of discipline.
Newcastle are a strong team, they held PSG to a draw and also beat United. Eddi Howe is a smart coach. but this time they were beaten by Everton.
Newcastle didnt play well against Everton. Recently, they've demonstrated strength by drawing PSG, which is impressive. However, their defense was rattled against Everton, and those holes cost them. Three goals conceded are a brutal reminder that this level requires consistency.

I've considered their method. Trippier's blunders were critical, but who doesnt make mistakes? The real issue may be complacency or pressure. They must improve before a tough match against Tottenham. Tottenham needs points and will fight for victory. Eddie Howe's team will have to work hard to recover.
We shall move on. Eddie howe seemed aware with the mistake being made by his club. It's time for him to face another match soon. Chelsea is going to face everton but i kinda feel if chelsea will be losing against everton. It's so pity to see newcastle lost against everton but we must admit that if everton was playing better compared to the newcastle. Everton is going to face chelsea soon and this is the time for everton to gather three points from chelsea.
As long as everton consistently defending against chelsea and it will able to win against the blues. The only key to win against chelsea is low blocks.
Everton shall have used low blocks strategy to make sure chelsea will not able to play openly. Some clubs like aston vill and westham have proven that how bad chelsea once it was facing a club that was fully defensive against it.

That's the chance owned by everton. Chelsea has very weak defense.
831  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Xrp still worth to break its previous 3.4$ ATH? on: December 09, 2023, 12:27:55 AM
In my opinion, Xrp still has a big chance of reaching the ATH it achieved several years ago, because recently XRP just won its case with the SEC, of course this will be a stepping stone for XRP.
the case with SEC and XRP winning, the effect should be taking place right now, I don't think such news could truly make the coin itself reach all time high because there are certainly many factors, I remember back then when XRP was reaching ATH it'd go as far as overtaking ethereum position and right now it seemed table have turned and I doubt XRP could even repeat that same feat again considering ethereum domination is too immense these days despite just being an altcoin but this coin is being used primarily for L2 as the coin for paying gas fee and many more, heck even right now the fee are starting to climb up again meaning that there are simply just more and more people starting to use this coin again, can't lie with the utility presented.

absolutely right, I really agree with your opinion, because it cannot be denied that XRP is one of the best altcoin at the moment, so of course the price of XRP can definitely reach its ATH or even create a new ATH price, therefore now is the right moment to invest in XRP, because I believe that by investing in XRP now, you can get a big profits when the bull run occurs.
indeed investing in XRP prove to be good at bullrun but right now should also remember that its already up 70% for last year, maybe it could grow more but definitely there are other coin thats better getting released. but i doubt those new coin could even beat XRP market capitalization though, they just have the potentials.
832  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: I see many users talk about trading but does anyone here actually trading? on: December 09, 2023, 12:05:20 AM
Trading is not hard to learn, but it is hard to make money with trading. I have over 3 years experience in trading now and I am still in loss than in profit. To make money, trading is hard. To learn, trading is not hard. People can refer to earning money from trading to be hard, which is not wrong but right.
so far the most viable way of trading that didn't cause loss as frequent but instead give quite many profits are trading around bullrun like today, as the saying goes, everyone is expert when the market is bullish so making a trade is rather easy and getting profit is also easy, quite opposite trading when the market is bearish or where the market have no trend going on more likely gonna be incurring loss since its all about trickery when it comes to trading at that time whale just trying to make fake pattern so people buy then further dumps the market anyway as if TA supposedly helps the retailer are instead being taken advantage of by the whales.
thats what I found from my experience in trading, when market bullish like this, we can invest in the shittest coin and still make profit. just overall better experience to be honest.
833  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Layerzero Speculation airdrop on: December 08, 2023, 11:30:51 PM
I believe this is one of the much awaited airdrops in the space and I believe a lot of people must have farmed it, no matter how creative the may think they want to screen out these Sybil attacks some will still escape, I just hope it is well distributed airdrops just to encourage the community to stay. I think this is another Billion Dollars project

I just saw the news today that there is a confirmed airdrop for the ZRO token. It will be within the first half of 2024 which means there is still a lot of time before the distribution. I don't think they have taken the snapshot yet but the way airdrop farmers were speculating for this airdrop many people already think this airdrop won't be profitable like OP and ARB. Now after this news more people will join and those who were already doing farming will increase their efforts to farm with more money.
certainly after some massive airdrop like OP and ARB it definitely gonna increase the participant of the retroactive airdrop afterwards by significant amount, this ZRO airdrop im not expecting much, maybe it will be a good reward but not that massive. as you said, the address interacted with the layerzero dapps are astonishingly high I guess the cycle is always like that, good airdrop with relatively low participant creating fuss because the reward is massive, then people will all follow the same path trying out the same thing but with different project, no significant reward are given out due to the many participants that surpassed the expectation, then the airdrop eventually getting abandoned again until there are some random airdrop that have massive rewards then people will come again. but certainly if we have free time and dont mind spending little bit of money for interacting with smart contract I guess that won't be a problem.
834  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: December 08, 2023, 02:41:00 PM
Juventus vs Napoli, this is a game you don't need to miss for any reason because this game will determine if Juventus will be among the teams that will meet for final battle or not because, Inter prove to people that they are among the team that will stand for final battle by beaten Napoli 0:3 in the home of Napoli. Can Juventus do the same thing in their home to beat Napoli, I think the result that will come up after the game will determine if Juventus will stay in that second position long.

Napoli will use all their power to fight Juventus today because, they will do everything possible not to allow them go down beyond 5th position because many of their fans are not happy the kind of results they got in this season.

Juventus is 2nd, only two points behind the league leader Inter. Although the difference in class between Juventus and Inter this season has been more significant than that 2-point gap. Juventus fans are dreaming about the Scudetto, and this game will determine the real perspective. After winning the Scudetto with Napoli, Cristiano Giuntoli will be trying to do the same with Juventus. Despite many things, I can't deny that this season is actually an opportunity for Juventus to rebuild, forming the foundation for the seasons to follow. Who knows, Cristiano Giuntoli will take them back to the glory days!
We shall also remember that how juventus was able getting draw against intermilan. This is also helping us to measuring how strong juventus is right now compared to the napoli. Intermilan has destroyed napoli in the last match.
Im feeling even more confident after i knew that if juventus will be playing at home against napoli. It may make napoli to get more pressure since it was playing away. Draw is unacceptable result for sure.,
Im sure that old lady fans are not willing it to see draw to happen on the next match. Hmmm... everything is quite hard to predict but im feeling juventus will win the match against napoli.
The match between vlahovic vs osimhen will come soon. We will know which is better from them.
835  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: December 08, 2023, 02:30:21 PM
However, Girona's achievements so far are not easy because they have occupied the second position which is usually occupied by Barcelona and now they have become Barcelona's substitute to compete with Real Madrid. I think this will also be a determining factor for Girona to further widen the distance from Barcelona if they win and if they lose, of course the result will be that they will be easier to catch. But again, this is an away match for Girona and it seems that just holding Barcelona to a draw is a pretty good result for them.
Barcelona needs to be careful when it was facing girona. Xavi shall not underestimate its opponent. Girona looked like easy club for barcelona but who knows if we will get a surprise from this match. Girona's coach needs to fully analyzed the old strategy used by barcelona. It will help girona to play better against barcelona. According to the previous matches, if barcelona was always struggling against a team that used fully defensive strategy.

Michel can tell his team to use lowblock strategy. This kind of strategy will always make its opponent which was using tictac or offensive strategy to feel frustrated. Savinho is going to play against barcelona.
I hope he will show his best to the club. It will be so amazing if girona will able to steal three points from barcelona very soon. Girona has the ability to make it happen as long as its defensive line will be consistent.

The consistently becomes the main concern when the club used fully defensive strategy.
836  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 08, 2023, 02:22:00 PM
The first goal conceded in the 78th minute, not due to endurance, was due to a completely individual mistake. McNeil punished this mistake severely by winning the ball and then scoring a goal. Newcastle United was the team that controlled the game until now. After the goal, Newcastle disbanded.

After the first goal, that stamina disappeared. In my opinion, it wasn't physical. It was a very important three points for Everton, which is in 17th place. This match will undoubtedly boost their morale.
I see that Everton this season is much better than last season, and because the points deduction penalty they received at the start of the season slightly disrupted the team's performance, but now they are slowly getting up and out of the relegation zone, Everton deserves to get this victory because of the performance of the players. They're pretty good and they're pretty effective.
Sure but the deduction points have been also erasing the good image owned by everton. At least, everton was able climbing up again from the relegation zone. This such unpredictable result for the match between everton vs newcastle.
Im sure many people were surprised to see that how everton was humiliated newcastle 3-0 as the final score. Everton is officially leaving from the relegationz one right now. Im expecting everton to be far away from the relegation zone at the end of season.

Apart from Everton's revival, Newcastle's team this season is really down compared to last season and they are also inconsistent, I doubt that Newcastle this season will be able to enter the top 4 again like last season.
It's always going up and down. I don't know why but newcastle is always like that. that's why it's quite hard to predict the outcome from the match of newcastle. Eddie howe was able developing a good club but not for their mentality.
Newcastle can do nothing in the last match. Everton fans were feeling amazed to see how their team performed very well against newcastle.
837  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Do you still advised more buy and store? on: December 08, 2023, 01:21:36 AM
accumulating for investment wouldn't go to waste if you accumulate at the right time, even more so for salary man that have no idea what to do with their money other than being consumptive and spending it for something mundane, because tbh, investing might be best decision ever if things turned out well in the future, of course in reality investing might not be all rainbow but you can guess that its better than just letting your money getting eaten by inflation, if saving your salary to accumulate bitcoin is best strategy in your opinion then go for it, but remember never to buy when the price already too high just see previous all time high and make decision based on it because we all know in every bullrun the target is always surpassing the previous all time high otherwise many people would get disappointed but even then we don't really know whether we could be hitting all time high this time around considering the fact that previous ATH was also quite the massive one.

If ETF prove to be really impactful in this case, maybe we would surpass previous all time high so yes, investing right now would still be a interesting opportunity.
838  Economy / Economics / Re: Do brands that take sides on divisive issues lose market share? on: December 08, 2023, 01:02:21 AM
its always been like that taking side on divisive issue cause the company to lose the customers on the other sides, so many companies out there are trying hard to stand neutral but alas some of the side supporter of divisive issue sometime so aggresive they consider even the neutral side to be against them thats the thing with most of the companies nowadays, since company exists to make profit they naturally just gonna go with the flow not taking either sides, different if in a country in regard of the divisive issue the general opinion of the public of such country leaning towards the other side much more the company will definitely follow the general masses opinion and would also take sides since it would also mean that there'd be no meaningful lose to take the sides and instead might gain favour for them and put them in a spotlight.
839  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What are your big plans for the Bitcoin halving coming up in a few months? on: December 08, 2023, 12:27:07 AM
What are your plans for the upcoming halving?

With the halving process coming up, I generally started to update my investment baskets to focus more on Bitcoin. More than 50% of my three different investment baskets (short, medium and long term) are currently held by Bitcoin. Of course, there will be different investment alternatives during this process and they will offer good earning opportunities but as in every halving period the probability of Bitcoin gaining value is almost guaranteed, so my primary choice when investing is Bitcoin.

In other words, with the coming up of the halving process the biggest change in my short, medium and long-term investments was that the share of Bitcoin in my baskets increased from 25-40% to 50-80%.
also investing in coin that somehow related to bitcoin might prove to be bountiful you see ORDI and STX has been increasing so high lately due to the bitcoin influence towards the coin i'm sure its just the beginning and we will eventually rich all time high and bitcoin with all these altcoin are gonna be rising.
I'm expecting that maybe in the next year around Q2 we would be nearing the all time high but no one know for sure regardless the current market has shown to be leaning rather towards bullish and thats honestly a pleasant circumstance for anyone that have accumulated from when bearish initially started all the way to today because the profit they get already quite high enough about 2 times of the previous price even more significant for those that holds altcoin with relatively low value.
840  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2023/2024 on: December 07, 2023, 04:55:41 PM
Until now this season of the tournament is very divided by half, the top half of the tabble is for teams who spend a lot of money and have big stars coming from europe, and the bottom half, is for teams who doesnt expend so much money and are full of arabs players, and they seem only to be in the league to make number.

If we are comparing that some top teams if al hilal has mostly arabian players on its club compared to the another club. The only main problem is how can these players to play even better?

Im not even saying arabian players were always playing so badly but al hilal has proven it that if arabian players are also having good passion in the football. Al hilal is only having a few european players but it was able dominating the match.

Al nassr and al ahli have so many european players but their performance were still unstable. This is also proving that if chemistry has always become the key factor in determining how strong the club is.

I can't deny the fact that if there were many clubs that can't afford to buy european players must be also staying at the bottom as the top positions being fulfilled by the top clubs.
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