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821  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: November 23, 2023, 08:40:51 AM
I have noticed a decline in Kvaratskhelia's performance and it is very unfortunate because his performance was so brilliant last season and now his name is starting to disappear a little and he is losing the stage he usually gets in every match with Napoli. Kvaratskhelia has above average speed and dribbling and that is what makes him difficult for opposing defenders to stop, but what has happened now is that he has lost this since being in the hands of Rudi Garcia and cannot develop it any further. Moving to another team would be better for his career because he already won the Scudetto last season and with Napoli's disarray since Spalletti left, this team will have difficulty defending its title.
The Georgian striker has managed to score just four goals in eleven appearances in the Seria A and one goal after featuring in four Champions League games. Although Khvicha Kvaratskhelia's performance started depreciating at the end of last season it became worse after Rudi Garcia took over the club. He has failed to produce those dangerous runs that destabilized many defenders last season. He was known for creating goalscoring chances and assisting others to score.

However, Napoli's new coach Walter Mazzarri is known for bringing the best out of players. He was instrumental in the improvement of the performance of Edinson Cavani, Ezequiel Lavezzi, and Marek Hamsik. Rudi Garcia caused a lot of harm both in the pitch performance and also in the dressing room. There were speculations that the players were not united because the Frenchman's style of leadership led to conflict among the players.
822  Economy / Services / Re: [CFNP] COINS.GAME | Most Rewarding Crypto Casino | Signature Campaign Up to $100 on: November 23, 2023, 07:49:28 AM
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823  Economy / Gambling discussion / Do you believe in psychic betting? on: November 22, 2023, 06:11:31 PM
Psychic betting is placing bets based on the prediction of individuals or even animals because of the belief that they possess supernatural power to accurately determine the outcome of a bet. There is the true story of Fatih Ozcan[1] who helped his boss Hayati Kucukkoylu to win a $1.7 million lottery through the power of dreams. He claimed that he received the revelation about the Euro Millions tickets from his dreams. There is also Paul the Psychic Octopus [2] who is known to predict international football games correctly. He even predicted correctly that Spain would win the  2010 FIFA World Cup. Some persons also believe in the gambling predictions of religious leaders [3] to place bets. Some people believe that lunatics are possessed by some supernatural powers so they also depend on them for predictions.

Do you take these Psychic predictions seriously?

[1] https://www.ajc.com/news/national/psychic-waiter-awarded-half-lottery-winner-winnings/D6V2ohNGiINtoQAm4qgfXL/
[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Octopus
[3] https://www.google.com/amp/s/pmnewsnigeria.com/2023/11/04/primate-elijah-ayodele-predicts-epl-results-video/%3famp=1
[4] https://tribuneonlineng.com/lagos-gamblers-use-lunatics-hit-jackpot/
824  Economy / Economics / Re: You are the product. Corporations spying on us deeper than we thought? on: November 22, 2023, 07:46:10 AM
I'm pretty sure it's not a coincidence. I have experienced something similar before, just didn't pay attention. I have used both Android and IOS it doesn't matter really. Whatever I mention in my conversation: car tyres, dog food or Bitcoin, targeted ads appear every time. And note I wasn't googling these items.

Yes, perhaps it was my fault by giving access to these apps but when you're installing Instagram for example, you kind of expect it will ask for camera permissions right?
These big tech companies have denied that they are not listening to our conversation but I think they are not telling the truth. I did a brief search online and discovered that OP is not alone in his observation.
Zoe Kleinman a BBC Technology Reporter also had the same concern.There is also a thread in Reddit that is discussing the same observation. Another source also reported that four years ago about 1000 Google Assistant harvested voice recordings collected from Android phones were leaked to a Belgium media house.

I have not experienced this issue maybe because I have not paid attention to my conversation and the ads I see. This is a clear indication that we can only do our best to maintain our privacy but we might not be able to stop these firms from invading it because they have eyes and ears everywhere around us.
825  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Two Carreer skill benefit of gambling on: November 22, 2023, 06:47:59 AM
There exist over one million and one reason why people hate gambling, but few benefits of gambling can make a player to outsmart his colleagues in the office. Or even in an interview. I was able to check how gambling benefits relate to what HR officers look out for in a candidate before hiring them. There are 2 main benefit of gambling that improves the major skills people look out for in an employee in every offices.
Religious sentiment and social misconception is the reason many people are against gambling. They just assume that gambling is an abnormal behavior because few people have gambling disorders. They forget that gambling gives revenue to the government and also has some positive financial impact on the individual gamblers.
 
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1. Critical thinking: there have never been any job opening that doesn't require candidates to have this skill, because every company needs it to grow. And under critical thinking include skills like problem solving, idealist etc. 
To be a good gambler one has to develop analytical skills. The ability to pay attention to details, observe, and reason is what makes one a productive gambler. Gambling helps people to think constructively and make accurate predictions. I do not doubt that gamers one the smartest people because they can generate and interpret ideas to make predictions.
 
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2. Socialization: Mainly the corporate world will call it interpersonal relationship. It's a very crucial skill anywhere we find ourselves in the world. And gamblers who participate in board games, easily develop the skill. When in the office, they'll always socialize and make friends with co-workers.
Although gambling shouldn't be used as a substitute for boredom it could serve as an option for acute isolation. Introverts will find gambling useful to socialize and interact with people. This benefit is more pronounced in physical casinos but online platforms also offer the same privilege. The friendly atmosphere of casinos is one of the reasons I visit it occasionally. If you want to develop interpersonal skills responsible gambling is a good option.
826  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Feeling more comfortable while integrating into the forum community on: November 22, 2023, 06:08:59 AM
Honesty and transparency is the key. Even if you can't give the best idea or suggestion from a single thread, that's okay. No one will criticize you for that as long as you give your honest and genuine answer that everyone can relate. Getting merits is not actually giving the best ideas in the forum, sometimes its more on relating with other people that they become satisfied with your desires to give them the most honest answers.
The problem with some newbies is that they are very impatient. When they see the merit some members have earned they assume that it was received in a few weeks. This will push them to begin to devise means to acquire their own merits. In the process, they want to create posts they feel will earn them merit. This is why we are seeing threads created by chatbots increasing in the forum. The reason for the use of these AI tools is to create posts that they don't even understand to get merit. They want to skip the process of learning and understanding the forum and the workings of the crypto space. If you want to enjoy this forum, you need to take a step per time in your adventure don't claim to know what you have zero or little knowledge about.
827  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: When does the moment come when the gambler loses control? on: November 21, 2023, 11:14:15 AM
There is an opinion that the greatest dependence on gambling is formed at the moment of a big win. The player understands that money can be earned LIKE THIS. This is a fairly common opinion.

But I believe that the greatest dependence on gambling appears at the moment of loss, when the player admits in his head the idea that he could earn so much. He is disappointed, but wants to recoup. It is at this moment that the desire comes to play again and again in order to return to the previous state.

What do you think about it?
Both assumptions are correct because people could react to wins and losses differently. Inexperienced gamblers who win big in their early days in gambling might assume that it is easy to win. This might make them depend on gambling wins to meet their needs because of the assumption that they can easily win. The other assumption is called loss chasing. This behavior is fueled by the feeling that you will recover your losses if you keep playing. But this is not always the case because playing more games doesn't guarantee more wins. Taking a break after constant loss is advisable and following a gambling budget is ideal.
828  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: November 21, 2023, 10:14:33 AM
Like you, My money is on Liverpool. Over the course of 1 year, Liverpool have rebuilt our midfield and so far, I'm pretty impressed with the results that we have managed to obtain  is very promising — just 1 point behind city despite being dealt a wrong decision that impacted our Tottenham vs Liverpool game which cost us points. That notwithstanding, it's going to be an interesting game maybe not as interesting as Chelsea vs Man city 4-4 game before the international break but would still be a good watch.

About possible goals, I don't think there would be plenty of goals. Looks like a 1-0, 1-1,0-1 tight goal margin kimd of game but this is football and anything can happen.
The game will be very difficult to predict because both teams are in top form. City will be without Mateo Kovacic, Nathan Ake, Matheus Nunes, Ederson, and Erling Haaland which might have little effect on the cityzen's performance because these players a very important to the team. Liverpool has injury concerns with players like Konaté, Gravenberch, Gomez, and Robertson sidelined for the big game. In the last four games that both teams played, City won two and the Reds also got two wins.

The outcome of the game might be determined by the tactical skills of both coaches. Luckily both teams have two of the most experienced coaches in the EPL. I am predicting that the game might end in a draw or City might have the advantage because they are at home in Etihad Stadium. A draw might not comfortable for both sides because it will give both Arsenal and Tottenham the opportunity of moving to the top two spots. But a win from any side will solidify thier hold on the top spot.
829  Economy / Economics / Re: this makes a huge impact on the economy. on: November 21, 2023, 09:17:39 AM
I noticed majority of the people in my area tend to spend more money then usual when they get their salary, like buying things they don't really need.
I said majority of people because my dad owns a grocery store, I have noticed that most of the customers tend to buy more stuff on the 1st and 10th day of the month because on these days they get paid in my country.
I already seeing this pattern on news or business related youtube videos, but I didn't think it was a big deal.
Now I realized that its very important to consider this behavior of people when making business decisions because it can have a big impact on the sales or finances.
I am surprised by it because in my family we usually buy only things we really need, I am starting to understand how other people's spending habits can affect the business.

Do you also find yourself spending more on you payday?, or you approach your expenses differently?
I don't really know how you came to the conclusion that they don't really need what they are buying. Using your father's grocery shop as an example is not valid because groceries are an essential need. Usually, people always buy what they need at the end of the month when they receive their pay. My family makes a list of what is needed for the month and it is bought immediately after salaries are paid.

There are also people that a wasteful spenders. They don't plan how to spend what they earn and don't even save for the future. I know some people who drive straight to nightclubs immediately after they receive their salaries. They are not concerned about investing or having emergency funds. These set of people buy not because they need it but because they can afford it. In most cases, they will access loans or credit before the end of the month because of careless spending.

I live in a country where if don't plan, you will end up a debtor or a beggar. The economic situation has forced most people to spend only on what they need. I have a monthly budget that enables me to spend only what I need and also assist me in keeping aside funds for investment and emergency. There is no difference between my payday and other days because I already have a plan.
830  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 9 Years Before He finally claim his lotto rewards on: November 21, 2023, 08:31:58 AM
My questions are :
Do you think it's worth the wait, he's getting 6% interest per annum but he still has to pay a lot of money and suffers a lot even to the point of having a rift with his daughter
Will you do the same thing and fight for your rights to claim the prize
Antonio Mendoza is indeed a motivation to the gambling community for his patience and doggedness. Although he had to suffer so much mental, financial and even emotional loss in the course of these protracted legal battles the good news is that he won the case and will receive his reward. He will indeed spend some money on legal fees, tax and other incurred expenses but at least he would be left with some money. It is also good that he was given 6% to cover the effect of inflation on his win since the Philippines' highest inflation rate for the past nine years is 5.82%.

I don't think I would have been patient enough to keep fighting for nine years. Maybe he has a good legal team and family members who kept motivating him to keep fighting till the end. This process will be frustrating, energy and financially consuming. Many people just like me would have seen it as bad luck and continued our normal lives.

The Philippine's legal system should also receive an accolade for standing with an ordinary citizen. Most of these gambling firms are influential and heavily connected. They would have influenced the outcome of the legal matters if the judiciary was corrupt.
831  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will Argentina Be The Next El Salvador To Accept Bitcoin As Legal Tender? on: November 21, 2023, 07:50:59 AM
The government cannot function without the central bank and will not (cannot) replace that with Bitcoin.
I wonder how Javier Milei will run a large economy like Argentina without a central bank. I know that some small economies don't have a central bank such as Andorra, Isle of Man, Kiribati, Nauru, Palau, etc. He talk about the dollarization of the Argentine economy which might mean that the Latin American nation will have to depend on the monetary policies of the the Federal Reserve.

Milley sees Bitcoin as a transformative solution to improve her standard of living in Argentina. He envisions it as a way to return control of money to the private sector. Milley sees the decentralized nature of Bitcoin as the right way out of the centralized control exercised by Argentina's traditional financial institutions, including the central bank.
I see this as a political statement targeted at getting the votes of the people. I am sure he is aware that bitcoin cannot single-handedly change the fortune of the already battered Argentine economy. Argentina's friendliness with Bitcoin will attract investors and tourists to the country and it could also help in building an inflation-resistant economy. But it should be noted that bitcoin is not the only solution to the economic problems of the third biggest economy in Latino America.
832  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is this a good advice? on: November 20, 2023, 01:44:19 PM
I keep seeing gamblers advising themselves that you are one step closer to winning the jackpot when you quit too early,  it's sad that they strongly believe this.

Is this true?
I have heard gamblers make such statements but I believe that it is just a motivation not to quit gambling because your lucky day might be close. There are cases where gamblers quit gambling out of frustration due to constant losses. This saying is like an encouragement to keep gaming because quiting early is not an option.

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This advice is actually making gamblers believe that they can win when they spend a lot of more time in the casino, they strongly believe that not stopping or taking break will bring them closer to their jackpot.
Maybe this advice was misinterpreted because spending more time or money on casinos doesn't guarantee winning. Taking a break helps to improve concentration and also gives bettors the privilege to evaluate their gambling activity or experience.

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One of em told me that this is why I don't win, that I only gamble when I feel like, he said constantly gambling is a must if you want to win, but I disagree, because I have seen too many people not knowing when to quit until it was too late.
Everybody is entitled to his own opinion. This might be his own experience but this is not the correct position. Constant gambling might also lead to ceaseless losses. Gambling might not be favourable every time so there is always a need to follow a budget.

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To me, gambling is a theater, a form of entertainment that I pay for, not a way to get rich quick, for them it's a must to win by force, one question seem to change his mood though.

I asked him why he isn't rich yet if he is actively gambling every time for all this while, this changed his mood and I took a turn.
Your gambling view is correct. It shouldn't be seen as a source of income because it is unpredictable. It is possible to be rich gambling but we shouldn't rely on it to get rich because big wins come once in a while. I liked the question you asked him, at least it showed that his beliefs are invalid assumptions.
833  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: November 20, 2023, 05:56:38 AM
If you look at the odds, it might be true that Juventus will be much more favored to win this match than Inter Milan because they will be motivated enough to beat Inter Mila to be able to top the standings. However, that doesn't mean that Inter Milan doesn't have the same chance of winning the match because compared to Juventus, Inter Milan has so far been much more consistent in Serie A. If you look at the head to head results, they are still quite balanced in the previous five matches, but this season there is a slight difference where Inter Milan is trying to be the best in Serie A with the results they have achieved.
Both teams have an equal chance to win this game based on their present performance. Inter Milan is just two points away from Juventus and it seems that they also have two of the best coaches in the Italian Serie A. Massimiliano Allegri has been an extraordinary coach who has stood with Juventus all through the club's trial period and with his tactical acumen, he has continued to make the Bianconeri a force in the league. Juventus has a more determined team that will put up a strong fight in this game.

But Simone Inzaghi's is not also an easy nut to crack. Although key players like Benjamin Pavard and Alessandro Bastoni are injured, the Nerazzurri will want to please their fans in the Allianz Stadium. To replace the injured players coach Inzaghi might deploy Matteo Darmian and Francesco Acerbi who are also good players. Inter have scored the highest goals and as equally conceived the least goals, so he will be watching a complete team against one of the best in the league.

I am not too optimistic about this change of coach. Napoli has never been this top team that can perform like for several years like they did last season. Lots of teams have years when they play extraordinary football and seem to be unstoppable. But those that don't do that on a consistent level often experience a decline in their performance in the season after and this is what I thought would also happen with Napoli after this insane first half last season. It was never possible for them to top that and getting close to it. Everything worked smoothly for them, every result was perfect and every game that could have ended with a draw eventually ended with a win for them. Now they are taking actions while I believe that the also failed to properly classify what they have achieved last season.
Walter Mazzarri has not been a successful coach after he left a Napoli where he won Italian Cup in 2012 and help the club to finish second in the league. He failed in Inter, Watford, Torino and Cagliari and have not had a top coaching club for the past ten years. I see his appointment as a gamble maybe he was appointment because of his close relationship with Aurelio De Laurentiis. His appointment might also because of his low wage bill since the club will still have to be paying the sacked coach until 2024. We just have to wait and see how he would change the fortune of the club.
834  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What do you bet on when your league is in break? on: November 20, 2023, 05:06:22 AM
It seems that almost the average gambler is looking for other alternative games to get entertainment. like you who return to slot games, some gamblers may not like games like that. but I prefer to bet on other parts of the league I follow on a break.
Even though I don't understand the competing teams, I just bet randomly by luck. of course, it's not a big bet. Betting on UFC matches is also interesting for me. Apart from football betting, I also bet on UFC matches.
Once you get used to the time you usually use for gambling it is difficult to replace it with other activities. I tried to take a break from gambling when my favourite spots league ended but it was very difficult. I tried replacing it with video games but  I couldn't get that satisfaction I get when I gamble. Some people might call it addiction but I don't think so because I still gamble within my budget but I just see it as my lifestyle routine. Since I have little knowledge of any other sports, immediately after my preferred game season ends, casino games will be my best option. Casino games are also exciting because they come in different forms and varieties and they can be played at any time and season. But loyalty to sports clubs always makes sports bets a combination of passion and profit-seeking.
835  Economy / Economics / Re: #HODLing is not a smooth journey on: November 20, 2023, 04:25:17 AM
#HODLing is not a smooth journey, do you agree? Grin
Totally agree, it is mostly easier said than done for most investors. I personally can recall the different juicy opportunities I have missed to really make it big in this space as a result of a lack of patience to HODL. Especially those early days in crypto when you barely understand the market and easily get freaked out with every FUD and market dip.
Experience is the best teacher they say and I believe the majority of us are more experienced and mature over the years of being in crypto.

What is your view on #Hodling Guys?

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We came into the crypto space with so much expectations. Some of us were not given the right information so we thought investing in crypto would make us rich overnight. After sometime it became clear that the sector is not a get-rich-quick scheme and like other solid forms of investment it has risks and requires patience and bravery. The journey of hodling in getting to the level of making a profit is not easy because the media is filled with news that spreads FUD. And lack of understanding of the market will make you miss uncommon opportunities to make a profit because may sell your hodling below target due to FUD.

But as one begins to understand the market, hodling becomes more easier because you have understood the basics of investment. We have to invest what we can live without and having a good emergency fund is an important advice every investor should know. Investing what you can afford to live without will make you to be patient while having emergency funds will be of help when you are faced with unpredictable problems without tampering with your investment.
836  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Javier Milei just won the presidentiial election in Argentina on: November 20, 2023, 03:51:03 AM
Political pundits said Javier Milei is the Argentine version of Donald Trump and he has come up with various radical policies which include the dollarization of the country, cutting government spending through the reduction of ministries from 18 to 8 and he usually speaks well about Bitcoin. Argentina has an economy that is battered by inflation and other challenges which means that Javier Milei has a lot of work to do to bring back the nation to its past glory.

His positive stance on Bitcoin is a good omen for the community because it will lead to more awareness and adoption. Argentina is the third biggest economy in Latin America which means more publicity and more business opportunities for Bitcoin businesses. But politicians cannot be trusted because they always fail to fulfill campaign promises.  In most cases, these campaign promises are to gain public support and nothing more. Time will tell if he has good intentions for Bitcoin or if he just used to coin to gain support from young voters.
837  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: November 19, 2023, 02:30:11 PM
Onana is over rated because he has better passing skills than De Gea but in general, combining all skills of a goalkeeper, I think he is not a better goalkeeper than De Gea. Hopefully Ten Hag will not have to pay an expensive cost by his coach position because of his belief in Onana.
I keep hearing that Onana is good with his feet and that he can pass the ball, but TBH i don't see that when i watch Manchester United's games, he is average in his usage of his feet and his passing accuracy, he is nothing close to the likes of Ederson of City and Allison of Liverpool when it comes to passing accuracy.
It is also worth noting that Onana has lost some amount of confidence since he joined Manchester United. And this has affected everything about his performance. If we take a look at his performance in Inter Milan, I don't think we would doubt that the Cameroonian international is very good with his feet. As the Manchester United squad keeps improving we might also see Onana giving that his masterclass passes..

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That being said, Onana is not a great goalkeeper IMO, average at best, and i think United made a mistake letting De Gea go, the Spanish keeper is better than Onana, De Gea makes unbelievable saves, even though he makes quite a few mistakes too, as for Onana, he doesn't make great saves, but still makes mistakes leading to goals; i'll take De Gea anyday.
Manchester United is going through a lot of problems and we cannot say that its players are having a good time. When a team is not doing well, it is the goalkeeper that most times bears the negative effect. Onana is still young and needs more time to gain experience and exposure. De Gea is 33 and has played more games than the 27-year-old Onana. I still have confidence that Onana will soon get used to the EPL and United will know that his signing is not a blunder.
838  Economy / Economics / Re: When Was the Last Time you Came Across a Positive Economic News? on: November 19, 2023, 02:10:14 PM
I find myself pretty bothered by everything going on in the world. Have you ever noticed how it's so hard to come across positive news about the economy, whether it's in our own country or globally? It's genuinely disheartening. Every time we read, watch, or discuss something related to the economy, it's all about inflation, recession, debt, bankruptcy, companies downsizing, laying off hundreds of workers, shareholders firing CEOs, and the company's stock taking a nosedive. Can't we just catch a break and have some good economic news for once?
Negative news gets more attention than good news. Newspapers like using it for headlines to attract more people to the news outlets. But you don't have to bother with this news because you might become paranoid or even depressed. Economic news is my best section because it helps me to plan how to use my finances and could also serve as a platform for business ideas. It matters less to me if a company sacks its CEO, I don't care if Sam Altman was sacked by OpenAI because he is rich and will son get a new job.

I think it is more fearful to visit the political section of world news than economic news. The news of wars, natural disasters, and coups matters more to me than that of business issues. It is now popular to see pictures of death, destruction, and suffering in news headlines globally.
839  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin really too Expensive? Then Buy Satoshis on: November 19, 2023, 08:08:22 AM
Start investing in satoshi today, if you are too poor, buy and hold atleast, 2,000,000 satoshis worth $732 today, and be very patient.
People spend money on things like cigarettes, junk, and other unnecessary expenses. Such funds can be channeled to buying satoshis as OP has stated. But we shouldn't expect these purchases to bring high profit within a short period. It should just be seen as a means of saving money because the profit will not be as big as someone who used a lump sum with more funds.

Don’t get me wrong but this is certainly a huge wish which might be almost impossible in the near future. One satoshi equaling a dollar means that one bitcoin will be $100,000,000 which is such a higher number that even if the mining stops and bitcoin becomes scarce will be rare to have it at that price.
We cannot predict the future so we cannot say it is impossible. Maybe this could be a good way of saving money for your children. Even if the price doesn't get to the price in our lifetime, our children might be lucky to enjoy the benefits in the future.
840  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: November 19, 2023, 07:29:49 AM
The news of Vinicius Jnr's injury is a big blow to Real Madrid considering the importance of the Brazilian to the Real Madrid squad. From the reports so far, it's reported that's he's expected to be sidelined till the end of the year which means that the club manager will be using Joselu as his current replacement using the club's current formation.
If Real Madrid must contend for a serious title this season, they must sign few more forward players during the January transfer window because the club's failure to land a replacement for their former captain Karim Benzema has really affected their performance this season
I am sure club managers will always be scared each time players are released for international duties. Some of these international games are played in substandard stadiums which could increase the chances of injuries. Some countries also lack quality medical teams that can assist players in times of health needs. Some of these games are so physical and rugged that players become victims of avoidable injuries. I don't blame some coaches who sometimes stop players from honoring national invitations.

It seems this current international break is becoming a disaster for Real Madrid. Eduardo Camavinga will be out for about ten weeks after he ruptured the external lateral ligament of his right knee. Now will be out for about two months after suffering a hamstring tear. Real will be having a busy schedule with seven matches to play before the end of the year. With the absence of important players like Camavinga, Bellingham, Tchouamen, and Vinicius Junior, Real might have a very difficult run after the break.
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