The price run up is due to 1 aggressive buyer, not a larger crowd movement. However, I do anticipate some buying after the SDICE payout.
How do you know that, considering it happened on BitFunder as well as btct, and in several buys over the course of a few hours? Only one buyer buying at 4.7 in btct, those who sold their shares of course will buy cheaper shares at bitfunder, Im one of them thus lower asks price sold out. Don't know what btct trade history you're looking at, I see lots of different buys at or over 4.7, across the last 5+ hours. Also there were lots of buys in between those, and leading up to those, and several buys on BitFunder across a few hours taking it up to 4.6 from below 4.4 earlier. If all below 4.7 bought, the remaining over 4.7 will be at the first in the asks price so other users bought it. If you check the btct history the over 4.7 were just recently. 2013-07-18 15:51:17 Market Buy 12 ฿ 4.705 ฿ 56.46 2013-07-18 15:30:13 Market Buy 1 ฿ 4.704999 ฿ 4.704999 2013-07-18 15:30:10 Market Buy 1 ฿ 4.70498 ฿ 4.70498 2013-07-18 12:57:09 Market Buy 58 ฿ 4.7 ฿ 272.6 2013-07-18 12:52:53 Market Buy 10 ฿ 4.7 ฿ 47 2013-07-18 12:23:53 Market Buy 5 ฿ 4.7 ฿ 23.5 2013-07-18 12:06:23 Market Buy 3 ฿ 4.7 ฿ 14.1 2013-07-18 12:06:21 Market Buy 10 ฿ 4.7 ฿ 47 2013-07-18 12:06:19 Market Buy 1 ฿ 4.7 ฿ 4.7 2013-07-18 11:49:18 Market Buy 10 ฿ 4.7 ฿ 47 2013-07-18 11:37:13 Market Buy 1 ฿ 4.7 ฿ 4.7 2013-07-18 10:38:08 Market Buy 1 ฿ 4.7 ฿ 4.7 2013-07-18 10:38:06 Market Buy 10 ฿ 4.7 ฿ 47 2013-07-18 10:38:04 Market Buy 1 ฿ 4.7 ฿ 4.7 2013-07-18 10:38:02 Market Buy 50 ฿ 4.7 ฿ 235 (UK time, so currently 16:20) |
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looks like when BTC/USD price falls, people buy AM shares to hedge their funds.
It often happens the other way, AM shares being sold when BTC goes down. I'm guessing this jump in AM price is more likely to be speculation in anticipation of S.DICE owners looking for another good dividend stock in the coming days when they get their payout, which would raise the price of AM, probably by quite a lot if there's good news from Friedcat the same time. The price run up is due to 1 aggressive buyer, not a larger crowd movement. However, I do anticipate some buying after the SDICE payout. How do you know that, considering it happened on BitFunder as well as btct, and in several buys over the course of a few hours? Only one buyer buying at 4.7 in btct, those who sold their shares of course will buy cheaper shares at bitfunder, Im one of them thus lower asks price sold out. Don't know what btct trade history you're looking at, I see lots of different buys at or over 4.7, across the last 5+ hours. Also there were lots of buys in between those, and leading up to those, and several buys on BitFunder across a few hours taking it up to 4.6 from below 4.4 earlier. |
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looks like when BTC/USD price falls, people buy AM shares to hedge their funds.
It often happens the other way, AM shares being sold when BTC goes down. I'm guessing this jump in AM price is more likely to be speculation in anticipation of S.DICE owners looking for another good dividend stock in the coming days when they get their payout, which would raise the price of AM, probably by quite a lot if there's good news from Friedcat the same time. The price run up is due to 1 aggressive buyer, not a larger crowd movement. However, I do anticipate some buying after the SDICE payout. How do you know that, considering it happened on BitFunder as well as btct, and in several buys over the course of a few hours? |
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Where has it dropped 12% - AM1 @ havelock has barely moved .... always expect a slight move down after d-day
Not the Asicminer shares, in fact they gained a bit. He is talking about the Bitcoin/USD price. I think a correlation is quite probably. looks like when BTC/USD price falls, people buy AM shares to hedge their funds. It often happens the other way, AM shares being sold when BTC goes down. I'm guessing this jump in AM price is more likely to be speculation in anticipation of S.DICE owners looking for another good dividend stock in the coming days when they get their payout, which would raise the price of AM, probably by quite a lot if there's good news from Friedcat the same time. |
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A question for all exchanges that had PTs.
What happens now with unexecuted S.DICE call & put options on your exchange when the security is closed?
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Now Satoshi Dice has been sold off, is ASICMiner the only decent security left with a healthy, long term dividend return? (Apart from meta-securities like BTCInvest which invest in other securities). |
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So... boost in AM price as ex-S.DICE shareholders with spare BTC suddenly burning a hole in their wallets look for another security with similar dividend returns? |
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Velacreations has the right idea, and is even trying to teach you, forgoing his own advantage.
Believe what you want, but those who can do better math, and those who are better at trading will just benefit more.
You sound like MPOE-PR.  Despite her cold candor, default stubbornness, and abrasive approach, people could learn a lot from her. The 5% mgmt fee on dividends does not directly devalue the share by 5%. The math is not as simple as that.
Share price and yield from dividend are not proportionally correlated. For example, it was not long ago that AM shares were half the price of today, and paying the same divs. Divs did not double, yet the price did.
Yes, there more plenty more factors affecting the share price difference than just the dividend difference. But in the conversation you were responding to, the difference of opinion wasn't about other complexities, it was about what difference the 5% reduced dividend should make to the share price, and Velacreations was mistaken on that point. The point is that taking 5% off of the share price as a means of factoring the mgmt fee, is incorrect. For the record, I agree with both these points. |
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Velacreations has the right idea, and is even trying to teach you, forgoing his own advantage.
Believe what you want, but those who can do better math, and those who are better at trading will just benefit more.
You sound like MPOE-PR. The 5% mgmt fee on dividends does not directly devalue the share by 5%. The math is not as simple as that.
Share price and yield from dividend are not proportionally correlated. For example, it was not long ago that AM shares were half the price of today, and paying the same divs. Divs did not double, yet the price did.
Yes, there more plenty more factors affecting the share price difference than just the dividend difference. But in the conversation you were responding to, the difference of opinion wasn't about other complexities, it was about what difference the 5% reduced dividend should make to the share price, and Velacreations was mistaken on that point. |
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Is this why BTCUSD is higher on Gox than on Stamp/Btce?
Yes. The BTC themselves are basically the same, it's the dollars that the market has decided are worth less right now if they're on Gox. |
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Kind of rational. You get a 5% discount in your dividend.
well, then the price should be 5% of .5% (.025%) less, cause that's the difference. 4% > .025% No, because the 5% reduction is to all dividends, not just that one! |
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The dividend is good but it is no surprise. I would not expect a huge rise.
Some people were fearing worse, and in the hour or so before the hardware share hit the payment account there was a race-to-the-bottom on btct with lots of asks climbing over each-other and eventually eating of the bid wall, which it's only just recovered from in the last few minutes. Now we know this was not a bad dividend already, and the blades sales aren't even in play yet. |
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and now, share price is cautiously rising...
Very cautiously. Maybe people are still waiting for confirmations? |
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Does the 4.5 BTC from hardware sale include the blades or just USB miners? If it includes the blades, that's a little to the low side.
4.5 BTC from hardware sale ? are you serious ? this only roughly 4 USB miner been sold over last week..... Hardware sales was 4,671.1185 BTC. Maybe gog1 is a superwhale and has blockchain.info set to display in kBTC  |
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As it stands if a company releases an IPO, speculators can undercut the offering leaving the company high and dry with no funding. Havelock has a system for this
Oh, the delicious irony... |
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I think I am going to just start posting random shit like the trolls:
sparkling rainbow AM has it's won +1 excellent service, fast shipping grilled cat dog parks moon! <<<<~o_0
You're not even trying... sparkeling ranebow AM haz its' wun +1 exelent servise ,phast shiping ,griled kat dogg parcs mun! ..o_0 |
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You can easily avoid ever having to use this reset system:
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If you use Yubikeys, setup Google Auth as a backup or have a second backup key.
How does that work? You mean set it up so either one or the other rather than both can be used to log in? The account settings are worded as if you could set it up to require both but not either. |
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There is a problem with Cryptsy... I deposited 500 nan and after 2 hour there were only 3 confirmations... Now i withdraw 0,034 btc and after more than 1 and a half hour zero confirmations... 2013-07-15 16:26:25 Withdrawal 1RgVpJCBxB5zHuJ7V9tcN3igcuicK3BuB 0.03489500 and the operations is not in block explorer, and in block chain it says (12 hours remaining till confirmation)...
We had some runaway services creating some lag earlier today all is better now and your deposits should now be credited. Looks like it's broken again. I've deposited some BTC to cryptsy, blockchain.info shows there have been 6 confirmations to the correct address. It hasn't shown up under "Account Balances" and nothing ever showed up in "Pending Deposits". Please advise. Thanks. [Edit: it's now showing up as "pending deposit" in the list at the top of the page, but not at the bottom, which is still showing "processing..." forever. blockchain.info now shows 8 confirmations, so the message on cryptsy of "Deposits post at 6 confirmations" is at least currently false.] [Edit 2: it's now showing up at the bottom too, and even says "8 confirmations", so why hasn't it been added to the balance? It's not a particularly large deposit]. [Edit 3: It was added after about 10 confirms. It's also just taken 5 minutes to return the BTC after cancelling an open order. Proceed with caution...] |
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Some choice cuts from The Genesis Block's 2013 Bitcoin Mid-Year Review and Outlook. (The ASICMiner bit starts on page 16). They have been the only ASIC manufacturer to have products available to ship immediately upon payment. This is starkly contrasted with their competitors BFL and Avalon who have opted to pre-sell all orders before shipping, causing customers to wait 3-12 months before receiving products. The initial ASICMiner IPO was in August 2012 and sold in lots of 5,000 shares for 0.1 BTC each, raising over $100,000 for initial ASIC production. As of this writing, shares are trading at 4.25 BTC each, providing initial shareholders a 42,500% return in 8 months and netting IPO investors millions of dollars in gains |
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