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8281  Local / Oбcyждeниe Bitcoin / Re: ЦБ РФ защитит россиян от Биткоина on: May 29, 2022, 08:13:09 AM
По скользкой дорожке вы пошли, уважаемый  Wink
Многие относительно битка тоже считали что ... а на поверку оказалось...  Grin К битку я хз даже надо ли что-то еще приделывать чтобы он был полной копией банковской системы (только более тоталитарной так как в банковской системе вы через суд можете какие-то решения оспорить а в битковской если вас chainanalisys к примеру пометит, то всё отмыться можно только через грязные методы). Так что давайте не будем по этой дорожке ходить  Roll Eyes
Приделай к любому блокчейну Proof-of-Stake и он автоматически станет трансформироваться в маленькое подобие традиционной финансовой системы. Потому что сила в стейке, у кого стейк, тот и сильней. [1] Банкиры очень любят подобные системы, потому что помимо своих неоспоримых достоинств и стремления к централизации власти, он еще и практически не оставляет карбонового следа. А что считали насчет битка, а главное кто считал? Я вот несколько лет уже пытаюсь определить что такое биток и не добился успеха, потому что он походу не имеет никакого специального назначения, его просто используют как умеют и хотят. [2] Вот к примеру тот же Chainalysis использует прозрачность блокчейна для зарабатывания денег [3], но это не мешает ему работать на традиционную финансовую систему и ее коррумпированных представителей. Хотя какая разница на кого они работают, если фактически ни на что они повлиять не могут? 

1. У кого хешрейт тот и сильней - таки раз нет отличий, то зачем платить больше? пос > пов получается  Roll Eyes

2. Давайте будем делать вид как будто не знаем как такая ситуация сложилась  Grin
Ведь есть такие сектанты, скользкие как угорь, если начать с ними обсуждать что-то типа "платежная система биток vs платежная система банк" и будет получаться что банк лучше, то тут же последует: биткоин это цифровое золото, а не средство расчета  Grin И этот паттерн работает для любого обсуждения поэтому биток давно превратился в неуловимого Джо - для чего существует хз, никому ничего не должен и критике неподвержен (за что, а главное кому критиковать Неуловимого Джо?).

3. А на кого биткоин разработчики работают? Где анонимные транзакции и пропаганда в сообществе обязательного
использования миксеров при любой транзакции? Вместо этого тапки какие-то и подписи сергея шнурова. Низкий поклон так сказать, подождем еще 10 лет может увидим очередное "полезное" обновление, а в это время вся инфрастуктура битка будет уже напрямую банкам принадлежать (а не как сейчас опосредованно) и транзы будут банками проводится, а те кто закриптоанархирует и решит что-то сам отправить в сеть - в ЧС и аревуар.

Т.е. про то, про что с самого начала предупреждали, что это централизованные надстройки над криптой, которые просто хотят заработать свою часть от общего пирога, что кусь это зло, можно вообще не вспоминать, потому что централизованные надстройки повели себя ровно так, как это и ожидалось? Но виноваты в этом не централизованные сервисы, а крипта? И, раз централизованные системы централизованы и ведут себя соответственно, то и тру-криптанов не существует в принципе? Занятные выводы. Я с ними не согласен.

Действительно занятно  Roll Eyes
То есть вы сами говорите что централизованные сервисы ведут себя так как и должны вести, но при этом вина на них?
А вам не кажется что если централизованные сервисы ведут себя как централизованные сервисы, а "криптаны" (здесь вся совокупность от разрабов, идеологов, до пользователей) не ведут себя как криптаны, то именно они долбоебы?

Вот еще раз:
централизованные сервисы продвигают свои интересы и преуспевают в этом.
криптаны ничего не продвигают, а ведутся на систему централизованных сервисов и естественно проебывают.

Для меня тут очевидно кто долбоеб. И я понимаю что можно использовать дипломатические формулировки вроде "крипта это инструмент, а то как люди ее используют это другой вопрос". Но даже такие дипломатичные формулировки влекут за собой последующие неудобные вопросы: это что за полезный такой инструмент который никто не хочет применять по назначению? где эти тру-криптаны? (подозреваю что в Монеро, в битке точно нет) и т.д.
8282  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread -- 2021/22 Final! on: May 28, 2022, 09:42:57 PM
Real Madrid 3 - 0 Liverpool, City and Chelsea

Real >> top3 of EPL  Cool

Another great victory and another Champions League Cup for Real Madrid. It was a great season that will have to be comprehended a little later.
By the way, now I understand what Courtois was talking about in an interview before the match - he really was sure of victory and today he did more than anyone else to make it happen.
8283  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Canelo vs Golovkin 3 (September 17) on: May 28, 2022, 07:46:17 PM
Yes, saw this thread a couple of days ago and it's good that we have a thread already,  Smiley

Line is open already,

Alvarez - 1.21
Golovkin - 3.90

So obviously Canelo again will be the favorite, but I think this fight is going to be close again and could end up in the score card. And maybe Canelo might win by a narrow margin, around 115-113 for him.

Wow. Pretty unfair odds for GGG. I myself understand that he cannot be the favorite in this fight simply because of his age, but 3.90 against a boxer who was defeated in a previous fight and is perhaps in a crisis? Looks like it's time to bet on GGG. By the way, I don’t know how much it need to believe in Canello after the beating that happened to bet on him with odds of only 1.21.
8284  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Best apps for sports betting tips on: May 28, 2022, 07:39:45 PM
If anyone is still looking for suggestions then here's mine:
Download reddit and search for sportsbook community(reddit.com/r/sportsbook)
it's a sports betting community, with active discussion threads on all major ongoing leagues and a POTD thread where people post their daily picks(so follow whoever has a good ROI).

They also have a very active discord server, each sport has its own channel. All of this for free  Wink

I also have a list of Twitter accounts with good ROI. If anyone's interested, I can post it here.

I'm interested, waiting for the list.
By the way, you are talking about ROI, but how relevant is this information that these people who specialize in betting show? Is there some kind of protection against the fact that a person will delete unsuccessful predictions, leaving only successful ones? Wonder to know how it works.
8285  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: May 28, 2022, 02:06:23 PM
I think that the main stagnation in the Bundesliga is connected with the first place - Bayern has dominated for many years in a row and does not give the championship to anyone. As for the top four, things are obviously better here - Leipzig is historically a new club and its presence in the top four is a strictly positive development if we're worried about any diversity of results.

The Leipzig team is pretty good. But I don't think they will compete with Bayern Munich for the title. Bayern Munich is still a very strong team. And they are very strong financially. If Bundesliga clubs add star players to their squads. And if other clubs can spend money like Bayern Munich, Then I think club line Leipzig or Dortmund will be able to compete with Bayern to win the title.

This issue has already been discussed and it is not a matter of money, since for example Borussia has an income comparable to the income of Bavaria (yes, it is almost two times lower, but in any case it is not a 10 times difference) but prefers to earn money on transfers than to retain star players and fight for titles. Maybe Leipzig will be more ambitious, but the club is still developing and in the coming seasons it will not be a competitor either in terms of financial or sports performance.
8286  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: May 28, 2022, 02:02:06 PM
I think that the Serie A has started to become better after Juventus' highly dominance has ended. Because when they were dominating the league, there wasn't any significant competition in the league. And this was really frustrating to me as those seasons were quite boring. But now, things have changed and I have been just enjoying a big competition in the league for two seasons. In fact, the previous season was under control of Inter after a point but there was still a different champion than Juventus at the end. And now, Milan made it.  Smiley

Speaking in terms of entertainment and intrigue, this is undoubtedly one of the best seasons in Serie A. But I would say that this happened not because the other clubs became stronger, but because Juventus became weaker. And this is a big problem, since, for example, for betters, betting on favorites in Serie A was a pain in the ass  Grin
8287  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: May 28, 2022, 01:58:13 PM
Real Madrid has the budget but they ran out of their main options, Mbappe mainly and Haaland also.
You are right. Real Madrid already failed to sign their main targets, Mbappe & Haaland. Man City signed Haaland because Haaland's father ever played as a Man City player, City got an advantage of his father's history. While Mbappe decided to stay because Mbappe wants to play more in France and was interested in the big money offered by PSG management. Honestly, Real Madrid is very unlucky, they failed because of personal reasons that influenced those players' decisions. The latest news, Real Madrid wants to sign Lewandowski from Bayern. This may be the final target and probably fails also because Bayern doesn't want to lose their main striker. Too bad transfer season for Real madrid...

If you look at the total cost, then I doubt that buying Mbappe would be profitable - it is unlikely that he will pay back the money invested in him. Haaland is much closer to that but it remains to be seen how he fares in terms of injuries - this season he has had a lot of missed games due to various injuries. If this continues then such instability will be a big problem for the club. In general, I think Real Madrid will find good alternatives. A whole summer ahead.
8288  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: May 28, 2022, 01:08:49 PM
I haven't heard such thing as Harry Kane is getting prepared to sign a new contract with Tottenham. But they are much better now and we are going to be able to watch Tottenham in the Champions League too. For this reason, I guess that Harry Kane would be likely to stay longer here. He already has two more years on his current contract with the team so there is nothing to worry for Tottenham now as it seems. I think that Harry Kane really believes in Conte to make them become more successful in time.

On the one hand, the current contract and a ticket to the Champions League is a weighty argument to stay at the club, on the other hand, the years go by and Kane wants titles. I'm not sure that if he gets an offer from a more promising club than Tottenham he will stay. I don't think Tottenham will claim to win the Premier League or the Champions League next year.
8289  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2021/2022 on: May 28, 2022, 01:02:31 PM
So, Conte decided to stay at Spurs after all. Great news for Tottenham fans and great news for the PL as well - he is one of the better coaches around.

Clinching that last CL spot must have helped - he was also seeking assurances regarding new players and strengthening the team. With Kane looking likely to remain at the club as well, Spurs will be dangerous next season too.

Spurs may be dangerous next season but by and large they will again be fighting for 4th place and if United get things right the competition will be even tougher than this season. And then there is Newcastle, which has the potential to fly very high. The Premier League is becoming a very tight league  Grin
8290  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🕹️ Esports 🎮 Prediction & Discussion Thread on: May 28, 2022, 12:44:10 PM
No matter how good we think NA or EU are, CN/KR are miles better than the them. It's crazy to see just how big the gap between those regions has grown over the year  Sad  2-0 T1 and Faker is playing Akali which is OP in the hands of the goat so, 3-0 incoming :/

A bet on total over 3.5 looks really like free money, it turns out that bookmakers are very likely to expect T1 to win with a score of 3-0? This is a big underestimation of G2.
Everyone expected G2 to go toe-to-toe against T1, especially after seeing the latter struggling in the group stage, but it was all a farce to make us believe the other teams could beat them. Played us like a fiddle. Bastards 😂

Today's games are much worse than yesterday's. Yesterday there was at least some semblance of a struggle in certain moments of the match. But today everything looked like a training of professionals against amateurs. 20 minutes for the third game - what? Should we take this seriously? If the final is not super mega epic, then I would call this tournament a failure in terms of entertainment.
8291  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: May 27, 2022, 08:45:04 PM
I wonder how the fact that Barcelona was able to beat the average shows that they are able to compete with Real Madrid? After the arrival of Xavi, the distance between the clubs remained practically unchanged (this despite the fact that Real Madrid won La Liga a few rounds before the finish line and had no motivation to win in every game).

I do not agree because I think Xavi has improved the performance of Barcelona a lot. I have to say that points are not everything if anyone wants to judge the performance. I believe the performance of Barcelona went up very rapidly. And I have to say that credit goes to the coach because he boasted the mentality of Barcelona players a lot. Real Madrid potentially had less competition this season because Barcelona did not play well at all from the start and I think the case will be different in the next season.

As for the mentality, this whole nonsense that Xavi used (joint meals, increased discipline, etc.) is a psychological pumping that gives a short-term effect. After some time, in my opinion, this rather gives a negative effect, now it’s not the 60s for players to endure this for a long time. As for the results of Barcelona, they have become better (but not in all tournaments hehe), but these are not the kind of radical improvements that allow them to hope for something.
8292  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2021/2022 on: May 27, 2022, 08:34:23 PM
I'm happy about another thing that we are going to be able to watch Cristiano Ronaldo playing for Manchester United at least for one more year. I was seeing it as guaranteed that he would leave the team after this very poor season they had. Ronaldo by himself was incredibly good in fact but the real problem was related to the team as a whole. Maybe Ronaldo changed his mind and decided to stay because of having a manager like Erik ten Hag next season. He must be believing in him now or maybe he just wants to achieve a big success with Manchester United as well.

Initially, I heard rumors that the new coach wanted to get rid of Ronaldo and was upset, but now that Hag has already spoken several times about how great Ronaldo is and how he can not wait to work with him, it is obvious that at least Ronaldo will be at United next season. I hope that United will revive and, in addition to a successful performance in the Premier League, will win the Europa League.
8293  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: May 27, 2022, 08:27:35 PM
You keep posting bullshit. And again whataboutism. What difference does it make what salaries Real Madrid offers if they comply with the FFP rules? It is their right to dispose of the money they have earned. Do you understand the meaning of FFP at all, or are you talking about it abstractly? PSG, with a loss of more than 200 million in the previous year, is spending space money on players and this is clearly contrary to the FFP.
PSG systematically violates the FFP by using sponsorship fraud (see the scandal of 2019) and avoiding punishment only because of UEFA corruption.
Stop referring to my opinion as bullshit, you are a Madridsta, so I expected nothing from you, La Liga should stop being a crying babies, they had the same problem when Neymar left, they cried to UEFA accusing PSG of FFF rules breach meanwhile, Barcelona and Real Madrid buying all the best players from various leagues to Li liga a few years ago without selling was the reason FFF rules were implemented to allow clubs to spend what they generated from player sales and, go ahead and conduct your research. PSG is not violating any FFF rules; all of their revenue comes from sponsorship deals and minor player sales, and they have been cleared by UEFA.

When I call your opinion (or rather arguments) crap, I give arguments why I think so - but you ignore all the arguments and change it into a conversation "Real is bad! cry cry."  Grin
Neymar's transfer was a scam - will you deny this fact? Regarding the "sponsorship" contracts of PSG, an investigation was carried out which showed clear violations (fraud) but PSG was not punished only because of procedural issues (in fact, corruption in UEFA). Are you pretending you didn't know this? Or did you really not know? Are you a real PSG fan lol?  Grin

Grin Good humor.
It is PSG that destroys football, as it buys players (and pays them salaries) based not on the money that the club can earn, but on the money of the sheikhs, who actually control the budget of the whole country. You are either blind (do not see these facts) or a fanatic who denies reality.
If UEFA says they are cleared who are we to say they are not? It doesn't make any sense to keep saying it.

 Roll Eyes Are you really aware of European football or just a fanboy of one of the clubs (PSG)? Each head of UEFA ended up being caught in corruption, saying that UEFA does not see violations means everything is OK, it's too funny.

Super league is not happening as long as Perez is the man behind it. Never!!!  Grin
You are definitely a fanatic  Grin
Don't force your opinion on me!! We all know that Super League is bullshit  Grin

You again have no arguments. But I'm not surprised.
8294  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2021/2022 on: May 27, 2022, 06:47:20 PM
The mistake that United made last season was when they were too confident to keep Solskjaer. MU felt that Mourinho was not able to give the trophy, replacing it with a solskjaer who was far from experienced, even though he had been as MU coach before,he also not able to give good results. It was too late to replace Solskjaer with Rangnick, so Rangnick's strategy did not go well, due to the adaptation of different strategies and playing styles between Rangnick and Olle. Now, Ten Hag takes over as coach of MU, he must start his coaching by improving the mentality of players so that they don't just play, but have a winning spirit like MU in the Sir Fergie era.

I don’t know if Mourinho’s dismissal was a mistake, but it seems that all subsequent actions were. It seems that the management hoped that any coach would be successful with an expensive line-up and they spent too much time realizing their delusions. Now everything is starting almost from scratch, as even the "expensive" squad that was either lost its value or lost the desire to win trophies at United.
8295  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: May 27, 2022, 06:39:01 PM
Ibra is a particular character: rude, presumptuous, arrogant, aggressive
but, he is a generous person who gives a lot, has given and continues to give the team the energy and determination, even if sick he is a great driver

Those characteristics that you listed are rather negative and it seems to me that they are poorly applicable to Ibra. He is charismatic and courageous, with a very high degree of self-irony (you don't take seriously these statements that he is the God of football, etc.?). His loud statements are not even part of the image, but just a show that he gives to all football fans  Smiley
8296  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: May 27, 2022, 06:12:36 PM
It looks like you live in some kind of fictional world very far from reality   Roll Eyes
Real behaved selfishly?   Grin This is a new level of whataboutism. Real did not want to get him for free - they also offered him a huge signing bonus and a big salary. But Real respects the FFP, and PSG does not.
Real Madrid follows FFF rules? When they're busy handing out huge salaries to every free agent? Have you looked into the wages they're offering Rudiger? More than double his current salary at Chelsea. Mpabbe wants to be a legend, and Real Madrid should respect that. Not all dreams come true; some are nightmares in the making.

You keep posting bullshit. And again whataboutism. What difference does it make what salaries Real Madrid offers if they comply with the FFP rules? It is their right to dispose of the money they have earned. Do you understand the meaning of FFP at all, or are you talking about it abstractly? PSG, with a loss of more than 200 million in the previous year, is spending space money on players and this is clearly contrary to the FFP.
PSG systematically violates the FFP by using sponsorship fraud (see the scandal of 2019) and avoiding punishment only because of UEFA corruption.

And Mbappe has undoubtedly lost his reputation (if he had one) - how else to explain these streams of hatred towards him (which come not only from Spain) and the streams of apologies that he makes right and left?  Roll Eyes
Only Real Madrid fans despises him at the moment; he gained the support of other European leagues because no one wanted to see him at Real Madrid, where they have been ruining the beautiful game with money. Real Madrid should accept that he is not interested in them and move on.

 Grin Good humor.
It is PSG that destroys football, as it buys players (and pays them salaries) based not on the money that the club can earn, but on the money of the sheikhs, who actually control the budget of the whole country. You are either blind (do not see these facts) or a fanatic who denies reality.

This is one of the technical points that will not necessarily be implemented. You look at the details and not the overall concept. Business will always manage things better than the bastard officials. European football is a never ending example of this.
Super league is not happening as long as Perez is the man behind it. Never!!!  Grin

You are definitely a fanatic  Grin
8297  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🕹️ Esports 🎮 Prediction & Discussion Thread on: May 27, 2022, 05:57:42 PM
RNG 3 - 0 EG

Expected result, although EG at some points in the games even took the lead and it seemed that they would be able to take at least one map. In the third game, it seemed to me that RNG was deliberately trying to lose in order to stretch out the semi-final (probably the organizers are interested in this), but even in such conditions, the EG could not win.
I hope tomorrow's semi-final SKT1 - G2 will be much more competitive.
8298  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Any changes experienced within body - Gambling??? on: May 27, 2022, 05:51:54 PM
I am sure that if a person gambles all night long instead of a healthy sleep, then his immune system will experience big problems over time. As for incurability, this is a different matter - it is one thing to have a chronic disease and another to endure it in the acute phase.

Yes from the lack of sleep the human immune system is reduced, if a person does not have a predisposition to psoriasis at the genetic level then no matter how many nights gambling he would not be able to get this disease.

Many people with psoriasis are not into gambling and do not experience stress, but the disease still has the same cyclical nature.

May be. So what's your point of view? The good news is that no matter how much gambling we do, it will not affect the possible infection with psoriasis?  Grin My point is that wrong behavior can even indirectly lead to consequences from which we seem to be protected, so It should be avoided.
8299  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: May 27, 2022, 05:47:31 PM
Still not change on position standing Bundesliga next season with Bayern Munich, Dortmund, Leipzig and Bayern Leverkusen keep as dominance for finish on top standing place. I think if have any new club promoting with lower budget keep exist on Bundesliga is great achievement without drop back to Bundesliga 2. Right now experience and historical team not really important except with how most active on window transfer opening and get new player, if can't get any new player maybe keep stay on Bundesliga is good priority.

I think that the main stagnation in the Bundesliga is connected with the first place - Bayern has dominated for many years in a row and does not give the championship to anyone. As for the top four, things are obviously better here - Leipzig is historically a new club and its presence in the top four is a strictly positive development if we're worried about any diversity of results.
8300  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: Sportsbet.io 🎾 Roland Garros 🎾 Prediction Contest (Round 4) on: May 27, 2022, 05:25:40 PM
a) 8 b) 1:25

a) 8 b) 1:25
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