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841  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread on: July 09, 2013, 04:50:58 PM
Verify queue down to zero, as of this time, transferring shares now on bitfunder.  BTC-TC will be next.
842  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread on: July 09, 2013, 03:11:31 PM
You're right, ASICMINER doesn't have a picture of a Chenbro 4U Open-bay Compact Rackmount Chassis on a website. Primarily because:

1. ASICMINER doesn't have a website
2. ASICMINER doesn't sell Chenbro 4U Open-bay Compact Rackmount Chassis

I mean, let's be honest here. ASICMINER doesn't have a 24.576 TH miner, and neither do you. ASICMINER does, however, have a lot of 10 GH miners, which you don't.

It's really interesting reading some of these comments. Right now, investing in ActiveMining would be seen as too high of a risk; which comments like the above reflect. Nevermind when AMC didn't even have an Avalon actually mining back in April/May.

As more of AM's promises come to fruition, AM's price will, again rise (or fall) to reflect the risk involved with investing. And that's OK.

What we have to look forward to in the near future (cross-post from the AMC thread):

AM is currently Hashing at 426.53 GH/s http://www.btcguild.com/index.php?page=rankings&section=teams with a weekly dividend of .00000139 spread over 40 million shares. This translates to 55.6 BTC per week. Wording in the AM contract is left with the vague impression that only the shares sold so far will recieve dividends. And with only 6 million shares sold at the moment, dividends split 40 million ways, has been reduced to 6M or 6.6x the current dividend pay per share. So, .00000139/share becomes about .00000926/share

@lewicki  Nice work, great post.

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Soon(tm) - hopefully sometime this month (300GH of Klondikes will be arriving). At current difficulty, payout becomes .000016205/share

Other things to be looking forward to:
  • 20,000 Avalon chips -  (end of May and beginging of June orders), for a combined hashrate of 20,000*282 = 5,640 GH/s will be coming online late August.
  • Avalon prototype boards - The engineering firm that he employed for the boards has the 60 sample chips from the 2 avalon chip bulk orders, pictures will be coming for those when he gets his hands on them within 2 weeks. There are 20,000 of them incoming. Avalon will start shipping the chips at the beginning of July. AMC has pre-orders a for a few of these, the rest will be built and mined by AM
  • AM's proprietary chip - AM has a contract with eASIC to develop their own chip. If we raise money for the chip's NRE, we can start printing them out at cost
  • Storage - Springfield Underground is currently for sale. AM is looking into acquiring it to host all of AMC's mining needs when the need arises.
  • When do I get my money? - 100% of profit through sales and mining are given to the first 10 million shares sold until .0025BTC is payed per share. I suppose there is a duality here. The less shares sold, the greater the dividends. But on the other side of the coin, the more shares sold, the quicker AM can print their own money with their chip.
  • What happens after the .0025BTC/share is paid off? - After 100% of the promise is paid off in the form of dividends, AM will activate their shares and 25Million shares will then start recieving dividends. Up until this point AM will have not been recieving any money.
843  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread on: July 09, 2013, 03:05:29 PM

...Whatever this is, it is going to be a lot bigger than ASICMINER.

I don't think ASICMINER has one of these: 24.576 TH/s, 6 Expansion Cases,  96 256 GH/s boards.


You're right, ASICMINER doesn't have a picture of a Chenbro 4U Open-bay Compact Rackmount Chassis on a website. Primarily because:

1. ASICMINER doesn't have a website
2. ASICMINER doesn't sell Chenbro 4U Open-bay Compact Rackmount Chassis

I mean, let's be honest here. ASICMINER doesn't have a 24.576 TH miner, and neither do you. ASICMINER does, however, have a lot of 10 GH miners, which you don't.

Yes, let's be honest we are going to build these and when we do, how may of those 10 GH/s miners will it take to make 1 of these, the answer is 2,457 and these will use a lot less power to boot.
844  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread on: July 09, 2013, 02:57:35 PM
How do I transfer shares on btc-tc?

At the moment you can only transfer AMC-PT to a bitfunder account.  We will be applying for ActiveMining to be
traded on BTC-TC, if and when approved, they have an automatic system for transferring the shares.
845  Economy / Securities / Re: [AMC]-The Official Active Mining Cooperative Discussion on: July 09, 2013, 02:49:51 PM
Ok this is probably a stupid question, but i missed the answer:

Have the total of 10.000.000 shares been sold yet? In other words, if i want to get on the "first-shareholders protection" (paid 0.0025BTC/per share), can I still buy these (i would buy AMC-PT) or not?

There are plenty of shares left as of this writing.  You can purchase the shares on bitfunder.com asset ActiveMining or you can purchase AMC shares on bitfunder and tender them or you can purchase AMC-PT on BTC-TC and tender them.
846  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread on: July 09, 2013, 02:47:30 PM
So, how long is it taking for shares to be swapped?

Taking a short break from doing the transfers, the queue is about 6 hours behind right now.

847  Economy / Securities / Re: [AMC]-The Official Active Mining Cooperative Discussion on: July 09, 2013, 01:12:38 AM
So we do it like this?


Yes
848  Economy / Securities / Re: [AMC]-The Official Active Mining Cooperative Discussion on: July 09, 2013, 01:00:58 AM
Ok as I understand it you transfer your shares to: AMC-TENDER (bitfunder) or AMCTENDER1 (btctc)
THen you create an email containing:

Date: xxxxxx(when you sent shares)
Time: xxxxxx(time you sent shares)
Exchange: xxxxxx(Bitfunder or btctc)
Exchange user name: xxxxxx
Number of shares: xxxxxx(however many you sent)

If you sent from btctc and want AM shares sent to bitfunder:
Bitfunder username: xxxxxx

Replace xxxxxx with your info, then send that email to: tender&activeminingcorp.com

That's how I see it, if I've made a mistake please feel free to correct me Smiley
Im just worried some troll is going to make a AMC - TENDER account or something, and people send it to that account. Can we get an official way of spelling the tender account? "AMC-TENDER" no spaces?

Thanks, never thought of that, changed the post above, adding your suggestion.
849  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread on: July 09, 2013, 12:57:47 AM
Any eta on when activemining will appear on BTCT? I know once its added it still needs to be approved just wondering when it will be submitted?

Cheers.

I am going to work on that later tonight.  Soon as everything settles down.
850  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread on: July 09, 2013, 12:05:29 AM
one question - comes Havelock Investments not in consideration?

Because Havelock wouldn't allow this crap most likely...


Are you seriously naming whatever this is AM? As if you weren't enough of an ASICMINER wanna-be already...   Roll Eyes

@TAT  Whatever this is, it is going to be a lot bigger that ASICMINER.

I don't think ASICMINER has one of these: 24.576 TH/s, 6 Expansion Cases,  96 256 GH/s boards.

http://axs.net/AMC/HighEnd.png
851  Economy / Securities / Re: [AMC]-The Official Active Mining Cooperative Discussion on: July 08, 2013, 11:00:01 PM
New Thread for Active Mining Discussion.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=252531.0
852  Economy / Securities / Re: [AMC]-The Official Active Mining Cooperative Discussion on: July 08, 2013, 10:57:45 PM
AMC To ActiveMining Tender Offer Announcement

https://bitfunder.com/asset/ActiveMining Profile->Description


We are offering a minimum of 1 and a maximum of 10,000,000 AM Virtual shares of our
Active Mining Corporation a Belize International Business Company (“ AMC Belize”)
Shares (the "AMC Belize Shares") in exchange for  minimum of 1 and a maximum of
10,000,000 Active Mining Cooperative (“AMC Cooperative”) AMC Virtual Shares
(the “AMC Cooperative Shares”) on a one(1) for one(1) exchange.
Shares of AMC Cooperative will need to be tendered to AMC Belize.

Date:
Time:
Exchange: (Bitfunder or BTC-TC)
Exchange User Name:
Number Of Shares:

BTC-TC Users Bitfunder User Name:


On BitFunder.Com:

1). Tender our AMC shares by pushing the shares to AMC-TENDER (AMC-TENDER no spaces).
Your AMC shares will then be tendered for ActiveMining shares.
2).  Then email the above information to tender@activeminingcorp.com

On BTCT.Co To Bitfunder shares:

1).  Tender your AMC-PT shares by pushing the shares to AMCTENDER1.
Your AMC-PT will then be transfered to Bitfunder, and then the shares will be tendered
for ActiveMining shares.  
2).  Then email the above information to tender@activeminingcorp.com

On BTCT.Co To BTCT.Co shares (When And If Approved on BTC-TC):

1). Tender your AMC shares by pushing the shares to AMCTENDER1.
Your AMC shares will then be tendered for ActiveMining shares on BTCT.Co.
2).  Then email the above information to tender@activeminingcorp.com

This offer may be withdrawn at any time.  Any Tender Offers
not accepted will be returned with any accumulated dividends.

Tender Offers will be processed FIFO as fast as possible.

Tender Offer expires July 31, 2013
853  Economy / Securities / Re: [AMC]-The Official Active Mining Cooperative Discussion on: July 08, 2013, 10:57:12 PM
SPRINGFIELD, MO, - July 8, 2013 - Active Mining Corporation (AMC) and Virtual Mining Corporation (VMC) are announcing today that they are merging under the Active Mining Corporation (Belize) umbrella.  With this merger AMC shareholders will be able to tender their shares 1-for-1 for the new shares being traded on bitfunder.com under ActiveMining.  Shareholders-by tendering their shares-will be able to increase their ownership in the new company from 10% in AMC to 40% in ActiveMining.  This increase in ownership should increase the dividends proportionally.  Also, there is a guarantee in place which guarantees shareholders 100% of the dividends until .0025 BTC in dividends has been paid before the remaining 15,000,000 million shares receive any dividends.
854  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussing Thread on: July 08, 2013, 10:47:27 PM
AMC To ActiveMining Tender Offer Announcement

Please allow 24-48 hours for transfers to be completed.
Cutoff time for dividends to be paid to shares tendered is 18:00 UTC on Wednesday of each week


https://bitfunder.com/asset/ActiveMining Profile->Description


We are offering a minimum of 1 and a maximum of 10,000,000 AM Virtual shares of our
Active Mining Corporation a Belize International Business Company (“ AMC Belize”)
Shares (the "AMC Belize Shares") in exchange for  minimum of 1 and a maximum of
10,000,000 Active Mining Cooperative (“AMC Cooperative”) AMC Virtual Shares
(the “AMC Cooperative Shares”) on a one(1) for one(1) exchange.
Shares of AMC Cooperative will need to be tendered to AMC Belize.

Date:
Time:
Exchange: (Bitfunder or BTC-TC)
Exchange User Name:
Number Of Shares:

BTC-TC Users Bitfunder User Name:


On BitFunder.Com:

BITFUNDER INSTRUCTIONS START

1). Tender our AMC shares by pushing the shares to AMC-TENDER.
Your AMC shares will then be tendered for ActiveMining shares.
2).  Then email the above information to tender@activeminingcorp.com

BITFUNDER INSTRUCTIONS END


On BTCT.Co To Bitfunder shares:

BTC-TC INSTRUCTIONS START

1).  Tender your AMC-PT shares by pushing the shares to AMCTENDER1.
Your AMC-PT will then be transfered to Bitfunder, and then the shares will be tendered
for ActiveMining shares.  
2).  Then email the above information to tender@activeminingcorp.com

BTC-TC INSTRUCTIONS END


The cutoff time for dividends to be paid to shares tendered is 18:00 UTC on Wednesday of each week
If you expect dividends to be paid do not tender your shares after this time until the dividends are
paid for that week.  After the dividends are paid for the week you can then tender your shares.

This offer may be withdrawn at any time.  Any Tender Offers
not accepted will be returned with any accumulated dividends.

Tender Offers will be processed FIFO as fast as possible.

Tender Offer expires July 31, 2013
855  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussing Thread on: July 08, 2013, 10:47:13 PM
ActiveMining F.A.Q.

What is ActiveMining?
ActiveMining is the natural evolution of two previous projects: Active Mining Cooperative (creating a bitcoin mining farm) and Virtual Mining Corporation (selling bitcoin mining hardware), that are now unified under the roof of ActiveMining. Both original contract proposals were quite complex, so we decided to rip them apart and start from scratch, using the same tried and tested model of Asicminer. This allows for a much needed flexibility that is key in the bitcoin world.

What happens to the Active Mining Cooperative (AMC) now?
Existing AMC (BitFunder) and AMC-PT (BTC-TC) shareholders get the benefit of being able to tender their shares for ActiveMining shares, getting all the benefits of new hardware sales and the shareholder's protection program of BTC0.0025/share, on top of their current mining profits. After existing AMC ask walls are sold (around 4,000,000 shares) and 90% of existing AMC shareholders tender their shares to ActiveMining, AMC starts on a liquidation process, to be fully absorbed into ActiveMining.

How can I tender my existing AMC or AMC-PT shares for ActiveMining shares?
Details on this process will be available shortly. Smiley

Where can I buy ActiveMining shares?
Currently, there are two ways for that:

What is the Virtual Mining Corporation (VMC)?
VMC is a subsidiary of ActiveMining that is in charge of building hardware. Think of it as a department of ActiveMining, with all its profits funneled into ActiveMining shareholders.

So, where can I see the current ActiveMining hashrate and mining profits?
Currently ActiveMining mines on BTC Guild at around 430GH/s, as User 211435 and as Team AMC. Accumulated mining profits are stored in BTC address 1DJpsvnM7xTnQbWEhLYyCyfxQyxwupEzCa. Here's a graph of that.

What are the current plans for chip development?
ActiveMining is in the process of gathering necessary funds for paying NRE costs on its 28nm chip. We hope these funds to be gathered soon, so that chip production can start as soon as possible. Estimated dates after NRE payment are:
  • Chip samples delivered in 9 weeks;
  • Low-volume chip production starting in 12 weeks, using an e-beam process;
  • Normal volume chip production starting in 16-18 weeks.

What happens if there aren't enough funds for the 28nm NRE?
There are several solutions for that. The current and incoming mining hardware should be able to cover that risk and there is still the option of going 45nm where the NRE cost is about half of the 28nm process.

Can you please provide some documents as proof of the existing claims?
Engineering Firm quote for the machines that will host the incoming Avalon chips: http://axs.net/AMC/SB-Prototype-Quote.jpg
eASIC chip NDA: http://axs.net/AMC/eAsic-NDA0001.jpg and http://axs.net/AMC/eAsic-NDA0002.jpg
856  Economy / Securities / [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread on: July 08, 2013, 10:46:58 PM
ActiveMining: A Fresh Start!

Introduction
ActiveMining is a virtual identity totally owned by the Active Mining Corporation (Belize) that represents both itself and its profits. ActiveMining's business includes cryptocoin mining and sales of self-built ASIC devices through its wholly owned subsidiary Virtual Mining Corporation (VMC).

Currently, it is expected for interested ActiveMining's public investors to hold 10,000,000 ActiveMining shares (40% of the profits), while Active Mining Corporation owner(s) shall hold 15,000,000 ActiveMining shares (60% of the profits), for a total of 25,000,000 ActiveMining virtual shares that represent 100% of the global profits of ActiveMining.

The issuing of more ActiveMining shares can be allowed in the future, as a last resort measure and after a shareholder's vote, provided there is strong economic justification, mainly on the basis of covering emergent capital needs. Existing shareholders also get the first choice for buying new shares before they are sold on the open market. The volume of new shares shall be kept at a minimum as much as possible and the pricing of them should be such that the total value of all ActiveMining's assets (tangible and intangible) per ActiveMining share does not diminish, protecting shareholders as much as possible from future dilution of value.

Public investor's protection plan
The first 10,000,000 ActiveMining shares have the privilege of getting all profits until BTC0.0025/share is paid, starting from the day when dividends begin to be paid.

How to buy shares
ActiveMining shares will be sold on BitFunder and BTCT.CO and any other exchange, following asset approval or tendered by AMC shares. Existing Active Mining Cooperative (AMC) shareholders will be entitled to tender their shares for ActiveMining shares, on a 1:1 basis and are also covered in the public investor's protection plan.

Dividend payment
The global ActiveMining's income, including mining income, hardware sales via bitcoins, other cryptocoins and fiat transferred to bitcoins, will be paid to ActiveMining shareholders proportionally, when all manufacturing, maintenance, labor costs, R&D, growth and miscellaneous expenses are deducted. The first BTC0.0025/share dividends will only be paid to the first 10,000,000 ActiveMining shares, providing public investors a priority in getting back 100% return of their investment.

Our chips in development
Generation 1: Fast-Hash. 28nm. Each chip's rated frequency is 800 MHz at 1.15V. It translates to 16,000 MH/s because it does 20 hashes per cycle. Chip requires proper handling of heat and power supply. It is expected the chip can be overclocked to 1000 MHz @ 20,000 MH/s.

"Our existing hardware assets from AMC liquidation
  • 6 Avalon miners, currently running on BTC Guild under "Team AMC" for around 430 GH/s;
  • An order of Avalon chips from steamboat's batch #1, for 68 Klondike-16 boards, rated at 68*16*282 = 307 GH/s;
  • An order of 20,000 Avalon chips (end of May and beginging of June orders), for a combined hashrate of 20,000*282 = 5,640 GH/s.

In total, around 6,377 GH/s, expected to be fully operational in the middle of August.
857  Economy / Securities / Re: [AMC]-The Official Active Mining Cooperative Discussion on: July 08, 2013, 10:05:56 PM
As Ken said, make an account on Bitfunder.com or btct.co and buy AMC or AMC-PT. Shares are pretty cheap at the moment!

And Id just like to say, as a shareholder, I am very excited by where things are going!
You are doing a great job Ken Grin

AMC-PT shares will allowed to be swapped as well 1:1, correct?  Im 99% sure this is the case, just want to be sure

Tendered on BTC-TC and then transfered at no charge to bitfunder for ActiveMining shares.
858  Economy / Securities / Re: [AMC]-The Official Active Mining Cooperative Discussion on: July 08, 2013, 08:47:10 PM
....
Well, since bitfunder does it over all the issued shares it will be over 10 million, however the dividends from the unsold shares will go into the pot for the next weeks dividends.


WHAT?! You can not pay dividends to treasury stock. Think about it for a second. This is beyond absurd if bitfunder allows this Smiley

If you have issued 1 000 shares (Shares Total in btf speak) and 100 are outstanding (not held by issuer aka issued and sold to shareholders "Shares Issued" in btf speak), profits will be divided among 100 shares and not by 1 000 shares. 900 shares are treasury stock and those have no right for dividends, voting or for anything else.

Issued shares - shares outstanding = treasury stock


If a Co buys  back its own shares for whatever reason (usually undervalued on the market and Co has huge amounts of cash laying around) those shares become automatically treasury stock.

This

Talked with Ukto, and he is going to be changing this.
859  Economy / Securities / Re: [AMC]-The Official Active Mining Cooperative Discussion on: July 08, 2013, 08:29:22 PM
Name changed to ActiveMining.
860  Economy / Securities / Re: [AMC]-The Official Active Mining Cooperative Discussion on: July 08, 2013, 08:28:56 PM
Any shares left?? How to buy in??
 Huh
Thanks.


Buy AMC shares, then tender them for ActiveMining shares on bitfunder.com, they are cheap now.
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