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841  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: I sell litecoins with paypal on: February 21, 2014, 04:17:30 AM
I don't understand why people don't just send the money as a gift on PayPal? u can't do a charge-back on gifts so why not just do that...

you can still do chargebacks regardless of gift/goods/whatever



No, you can't.  Gifts are irreversible and are just that...a 'gift.'

However, Stay clear of paypal on this forum regardless of buyer or seller.

I've been scammed as the BUYER in paypal transactions.  What the user does is open up a bogus or hacked paypal account and send you an invoice.  You pay...then you never hear back from the seller again.  You'll have to open a paypal case and wait almost 3 weeks before you get your money back.

Beware.
842  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PND][KGW ADDED!!] The Official PandaCoin thread! [Scrypt][KGW][NO PREMINE] on: February 20, 2014, 05:23:35 PM
This coin just got the most fuckin' 'perfect storm' scenario any crypto could ask for.  Holy $*#t! (pardon my french)

Do not say I didn't warn you or kick yourself when this stuff is sitting at 100 satoshis in less than a few weeks a-la asian doge style.  4chan backing + movie storyline.   You could not script it better on paper.

This is now, and will always be, the only true, honest panda coin!
843  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [pandacoin] The Panda Coin ♥ Scrypt Adaptive-N w/Kimotos Gravity Well ★ on: February 20, 2014, 05:01:18 PM
Agreed, if the developers were not in on this dump then they should be sticking to the coin and moving forward.
After all there is nothing wrong with the code / coin.


As far as I'm concerned, this coin in unsalvageable as long as Wolong holds 700M+ and whatever he hasnt sold yet on mintpal

I can only imagine the sheer look of disbelief for those bagholders who are now just waking up and checking up on mintpal to see if their 70 satoshi auto sell orders were filled.  18 satoshis...what...the...

I feel for you guys Sad
844  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [pandacoin] The Panda Coin ♥ Scrypt Adaptive-N w/Kimotos Gravity Well ★ on: February 20, 2014, 04:55:17 PM

Awesome...so now we know Wolong is in Singapore and based on those locations we can narrow it down to around a 2 to 3 mile radius.  Seeing as the bitcoin community is so small, it shouldn't be hard to find a guy in that area that has been selling tons of bitcoins.

I read somewhere that he's in the process of being doxxed (ID'd) or already has been.

He may just be on a plane right now headed to an undisclosed location. o.0

He had better hope the pilot accepts bitcoins!

HA!
845  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [pandacoin] The Panda Coin ♥ Scrypt Adaptive-N w/Kimotos Gravity Well ★ on: February 20, 2014, 04:52:12 PM

Awesome...so now we know Wolong is in Singapore and based on those locations we can narrow it down to around a 2 to 3 mile radius.  Seeing as the bitcoin community is so small, it shouldn't be hard to find a guy in that area that has been selling tons of bitcoins.

I read somewhere that he's in the process of being doxxed (ID'd) or already has been.

He may just be on a plane right now headed to an undisclosed location. o.0
846  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [pandacoin] The Panda Coin ♥ Scrypt Adaptive-N w/Kimotos Gravity Well ★ on: February 20, 2014, 04:50:35 PM
Someone in twitter is saying they are going to rebrand the coin and take woo long out... Is this true

CryptoOracle ‏@CryptoOracle  5m
@ThePandaCoin Devs looking to hire rebranding expert to remove "In Wolong we Trust" from the logo. Payment in #pandacoin


There will still be 3 Pandacoins on the market. You can stick with this scam coin, or you can go with PND.

Keep in mind the smear campaign won't end. While this coin is alive people will always be reminded that the devs ripped everybody off.

Who's to say it won't happen again?

Why should I go with another doge / lot coin clone ??

Because it has 4chan backing.  Only an oblivious individual would underestimate the influence a 4chan community can have on making a coin go viral.  And these recent events are all the right makings for a truly viral (probably the most epic) crypto event since the mtgox scandal and china's btc ban.

It's not like Doge is some innovative coin with a super small, limited cap.  It's just got a huge freakin community which all stemmed from 4chan adoption.
847  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [pandacoin] The Panda Coin ♥ Scrypt Adaptive-N w/Kimotos Gravity Well ★ on: February 20, 2014, 04:01:07 PM
Someone in twitter is saying they are going to rebrand the coin and take woo long out... Is this true

CryptoOracle ‏@CryptoOracle  5m
@ThePandaCoin Devs looking to hire rebranding expert to remove "In Wolong we Trust" from the logo. Payment in #pandacoin




Some people just can't be helped.
848  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [pandacoin] The Panda Coin ♥ Scrypt Adaptive-N w/Kimotos Gravity Well ★ on: February 20, 2014, 03:42:01 PM
Good on you for editing the OP, though it honestly should not have taken any coercion in the first place.
849  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [pandacoin] The Panda Coin ♥ Scrypt Adaptive-N w/Kimotos Gravity Well ★ on: February 20, 2014, 03:39:29 PM
I may be just a stupid country boy, but things still do not add up.

Sev states that he did not know much about Wolong heading into the project, nor his previous standing as crypto currency's infamous top villian.  However, unless I'm living in some odd, parallel universe...there is absolutely no way any 'dev' would have not already had some sort of knowledge of Wolong or his long string of pump n dump schemes and self proclaimed God complex.  Hell, a 5 minute peruse through his twitter or a google search would have made that clear as day.

I just don't buy the fact that all these devs were just blindly 'strung along for the ride.'  To add to that, none of the devs had any red flags go off in their heads after wolong adamantly claimed over 2/3rds of the premine stake all to himself?  Yet they still continued to ignore repeated warnings about wolong and his character in this thread since day one, continuing to hype the coin like it's the next best thing since sliced bread?


Nope.  Sorry Sev.  Coolstorybro, but I don't buy it.
850  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [pandacoin] The Panda Coin ♥ Scrypt Adaptive-N w/Kimotos Gravity Well ★ on: February 20, 2014, 03:31:21 PM
wow he closed his twitter https://twitter.com/GameOtDeception
Wrong account.

But.

His main account will be soon erased as well due to innumerable reports of abuse.
851  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [pandacoin] The Panda Coin ♥ Scrypt Adaptive-N w/Kimotos Gravity Well ★ on: February 20, 2014, 03:21:20 PM
Quote from: sevoque
brb finishing up putting up my sell walls on mintpal

Amirite?
852  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [pandacoin] The Panda Coin ♥ Scrypt Adaptive-N w/Kimotos Gravity Well ★ on: February 20, 2014, 03:12:03 PM
Everyone give sev a negative trust rating if he doesn't edit the OP.  Cheesy

I think he's made it abundantly clear he'll neither do that nor fork the chain.  Which gives me all the reason to believe none of what he's already said previously.  He could have very well been an inside source on this scam the entire time, but just now hiding behind a guise of 'damage control' and fake pasted conversations on bitcointalk.
853  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [pandacoin] The Panda Coin ♥ Scrypt Adaptive-N w/Kimotos Gravity Well ★ on: February 20, 2014, 02:56:13 PM




PLEASE UNDERSTAND FOR CLARITY - THERE IS NO 'SELLING OF PRE-MINE' I DON'T KNOW WHERE PEOPLE HEARD IT TERMED LIKE THIS - WE HAVE DONE AN IPO WHICH CONSISTS OF THE 3% WHICH IS THE OFFERING TO THOSE INTERESTED IN THE IPO - THE IPO IS NOW FULLY SOLD OUT AND WE APPRECIATE ALL OF THE INTEREST AND THE BIG NAMES WHO ARE SUPPORTING THIS COIN - WE APPRECIATE ALL THE CONTINUED INTEREST AND OFFERS OF MANY MANY BITCOINS BUT IPO IS CLOSED AND PRIVATE MESSAGES OR REQUESTS FOR IPO WILL BE IGNORED HEREIN. THANK YOU



Within a short time frame of launch we are going to be launching a series of services which will be compatible with PandaCoin. These range from Panda Casinos, goods and services exchanges using Panda and of course the PandaCoin Marketplace..*note..you cannot buy a panda for pandacoin..soz*

There is so much false information still left in the OP to the point of being ludicrous.

Sev...if you don't edit this OP accordingly with what you know now, then I'm afraid I (as well as many others) will have to toss you in that same category as Wolong himself.
854  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [pandacoin] The Panda Coin ♥ Scrypt Adaptive-N w/Kimotos Gravity Well ★ on: February 20, 2014, 02:52:23 PM
Why don't the devs fork this coin now, rendering wolongs premine crap useless? The market is dead anyhow

For the love of god, this is the most brilliant thing I've read tonight.
855  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [pandacoin] The Panda Coin ♥ Scrypt Adaptive-N w/Kimotos Gravity Well ★ on: February 20, 2014, 02:44:35 PM
sevoque is considering to edit main post and remove all mining information.

no im not, i said its not my place to do that and that if people want to continue mining this coin then they can feel free, the information is in this thread for them to decide otherwise. thats what i said so please dont twist my words

I'm sorry, but I can't respect this decision.  At all.

This is no better than a banking commercial with illegible super small fine print at the bottom.

Having essentially self-admission of a coin being a scam from the get go and not putting an official disclaimer on the OP and at least a **warning** disclaimer in the title is as bad as doing the scamming yourself.

That's like mt. gox not putting a notice on their front page and continuing to accept incoming deposits and cash flow.

Oh wait.  See what I did there?
856  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [pandacoin] The Panda Coin ♥ Scrypt Adaptive-N w/Kimotos Gravity Well ★ on: February 20, 2014, 02:25:29 PM
If Sevoque and the other 'decent' devs can take over and march the coin forward with a new logo etc. It may survive. If it can hold 19-24 stable for the next say 12 hours (or go up further) without another crash it may survive.

As long as Wolong is cut out of the picture there is always a chance.

He still has coins, and ultimately will destroy it with more pump n dumps (as he is now).  It's done.
857  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [pandacoin] The Panda Coin ♥ Scrypt Adaptive-N w/Kimotos Gravity Well ★ on: February 20, 2014, 02:23:17 PM
just FYI. for any people who doubt the fact that myself and others on the team have walked out, please know that wolong is trying to save face by saying that he has 'engineered' this and people in his channel believe this because htey have managed to tripple+ their holdings of panda.

Just some proof so u know im not bullshitting and genuinely do have everyones best interests at heart here - someone i know is in his 'circlejerk' and this was relayed in to dev channel

<evoked> 09:02 <~wolong> moose guy is real
<evoked> 09:02 < hmac> What is an for panda???
<evoked> 09:02 < Jesus--> what lol
<evoked> 09:02 < hmac> Plan*
<evoked> 09:02 < coj_away> but if the devs sold out, then who will maintain the coin lol
<evoked> 09:02 <~wolong> but the twitter spam
<evoked> 09:02 < drastic> wish i could buy for 1 sat -_-
<evoked> 09:02 <~wolong> the anger
<evoked> 09:02 <~wolong> was to divert attention
<evoked> 09:02 < HOP> the thing with loss of trust with devs is worrying
<evoked> 09:02 < pattes> You just earned my entire and unconditional devotion
<evoked> 09:02 <~wolong> and cashout before the devs
<evoked> 09:02 < nam> Cheesy
<evoked> 09:02 < phaed> very nice
<evoked> 09:02 < mahd> ROFL!
<evoked> 09:03 < hmac> !events
<evoked> 09:03 < pattes> Oh my god...
<evoked> 09:03 < w000t> so what
<evoked> 09:03 < Chav> so good
<evoked> 09:03 < dogenu> guys let wolong talk, give him a break
<evoked> 09:03 <~wolong> and the rain
<evoked> 09:03 < wolfcoin> nice!
<evoked> 0
<evoked> [3:04:43 AM] Moose: bula> bought 4M panda at 15 sat
<evoked> 09:03 < HOP> and see what you are doing next
<evoked> 09:03 < pattes> I can't fucking believe it
<evoked> 09:03 < cebula> bought 4M panda at 15 sat
<evoked> 09:03 < cebula> bought 4M panda at 15 sat
<evoked> 09:03 < nam> Unbelieveble
<evoked> 09:03 < gladiator> making it rain while shit was hitting the fan was pretty amusing at the time
<evoked> 09:03 < pattes> Feels like a book
<evoked> 09:04 < chef84> definitely worth the entrance fee
<evoked> 09:04 < cebula> thanks wolong Smiley
<evoked> 09:04 < Chav> couldnt profit from it though, was holding pandas and dint want to sell thm
<evoked> 09:04 < dogenu> guys give him a break
<evoked> 09:04 -!- hmac [hmac@66-87-79-194.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Connection closed]
<evoked> 09:04 < ^^Kilroy> can we make it dip a little more?
<evoked> 09:04 < phaed> it was great, i multiplied my holdings by 3
<evoked> 09:04 < Kokes> Wolong, it was good. And people SHOULD'VE known it was fake, because nothing was said in this channel.
<evoked> 09:04 <~wolong> WildRaven, i just changed the game if you haven;t realise
<evoked> 09:04 < captaincrypto> wow, that was amazing
<evoked> 09:04 <~wolong> instead of increasing exposure by holding 1.5Billion pandas
<evoked> 09:04 <~wolong> and devs cashing out
<evoked> 09:04 <~wolong> i cashed out first
<evoked> 09:04 < ^^Kilroy> all my btc got sucked up

if anyone thinks he 'engineered' us being disgusted with his behaviour and not being properly involved on the team, or coming clean about the questions I asked him in my previous pastebin then.. realy.. wtf :|

edit: i want thsi guy out our community and away, he is poison as far as im concerned.

Im sorry to anyone who genuinely bought in to this coin through time and hardware investment, as well as of course money.

I hope to be working on projects that are of real value to the community in future and believe me when i say im staying away from premine Smiley

sev

It's just the bagholders holding out that little sliver of hope that perhaps there is a dim night light at the end of the tunnel. 

I can't blame them either.  When something this catastrophic happens...the initial emotion is shock...followed by questioning....then soon after denial...and ultimately acceptance.
858  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [pandacoin] The Panda Coin ♥ Scrypt Adaptive-N w/Kimotos Gravity Well ★ on: February 20, 2014, 02:20:59 PM
Is it real or just his manipulation? I don't know. I'm not mining this coin last 4 days at all. I don't tell people to mine or to mine other panda coins. I said them to decide, but there is much better coins to mine, for example CHE CRapples, it is community takeover coin, Dnotes, Karma and so on. Best is LTC of course, there is less risk. Smiley

You don't have to take wolong at face value on his claim of 'quitting alts altogether.'  However, ask yourself this.  Even if this were some super elaborate hoax to dump prices for another pump, it still would not work.

The OP of this thread has already stated he no longer wishes to be associated with this coin.  Everything is already set in stone, and convos have been recorded.  There's no coming back now and jumping out of a closet yelling 'SURPRISE! YOU'VE ALL BEEN PUNKED!'

This coin has lost all its consumer confidence now and going forward.  It's dead no matter how you want to look at it.
859  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [pandacoin] The Panda Coin ♥ Scrypt Adaptive-N w/Kimotos Gravity Well ★ on: February 20, 2014, 02:16:14 PM
Sevoque..if all of what you're saying is good and honest, then I feel sorry for you that you were taken for the ride as well.  However, it is from my understanding that all the DEVS (or most) already sold their panda stakes for huge profits already.


That being said, in my personal opinion, I think the most moral course of action at this point would be to edit your OP and delete all mining information along with big bold letters paraphrasing this coin's pending demise and recently transpired events.  The worst thing that could happen now is some n00b coming on this subforum and completely skipping out on the last few pages of this topic, only to point their gpu at it and wasting valuable hours/minutes of their lives on this junk or getting taken at the exchanges while wolong tries to dump any remnants.
860  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [pandacoin] The Panda Coin ♥ Scrypt Adaptive-N w/Kimotos Gravity Well ★ on: February 20, 2014, 02:00:10 PM
<cryptowest> [-wolong-] also, as a core member of your dev team, i lost 2 BTC on that MRC scam you just pulled today, and i would appreciate at least just half of it back. i dont care about the .2btc fee, and i dont want back into your scam room, but what youre doing is wrong. and i know youre not gonna give me a damn satoshi, but i wanted to ask in front of everyone here
<[-wolong-]> on*
<sevoque> and we just want answers
<[-wolong-]> cryptowest
<[-wolong-]> fuck yourself
<[-wolong-]> you pissed me off
<[-wolong-]> your the trigger
<[-wolong-]> you know how i do my pump
<[-wolong-]> always pump, position building
<[-wolong-]> and you whine whole day
<mxtm> and we are all hauling ass back here and the money really is not even in any way
<[-wolong-]> on your 2btc losses
<[-wolong-]> you triggered everything
<[-wolong-]> you triggered my sold off on panda
<[-wolong-]> i sold PANDA entirely now

Wanting to be refunded for being taken while serving as a sidekick on another one of wolongs pump n dumps?

Toplel forreal.
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