This can get complicated, chip for CPU comparison or miner against CPU comparison, either way the ASIC beats the CPU hands down. 300,000 to 1,000,000 times the speed. I only have 1 kind of miner that has just 1 ASIC Chip in it. And its very outdated now, I use them on triplemining cause its useless anywhere else.  we are so far ahead now you can compare ASIC chips to each other. Comparing ASICs against CPUS is like comparing cows to birds.

I agree I am so tired of the negativity that spreads like wild fire, but I never see on CNN how bitcoins could save you a lot of money if you want to send money to another country, or how you can buy beautiful homes in spain with bitcoins, or luxary cars. I wish Bitcoin had someone in the media on their side that could bring up an astoundingly good story every months than constant bad negative press.

i dont use a wallet.DAT file does that eman i am excluded form this law Hehe. Not all wallets run on a .dat file LOL

welcome to mining.

First you are members of a PPLNS pools, most pools are PPLNS pools. and no matter what anby of the pool owners may try and say PPLNS pools are profit houses for the pool owners. even if it says 0% fee or 99.1% payout, they are profit houses.

Example lets take GHASH.io just for shits and giggles   HAHAHA

Ghash.io pays out in shifts. 11 shifts of work are paid for each block solved.

at their current hashrate that is approximately 1 billion shares every 9 minutes. for 11 shifts that is 11 billion submitted shares they are paying for but at current difficulty it could take 35 billion shares to solve a block.

Ghash.io currently pays roughly 0.0000000003 BTC per share on the last 11 shifts of work on each block found.

11 Billion Shares submitted in the last 11 shifts of work is only 3.3 BTC payout to its members. Where is the other 21 BTC?? It is in Ghash.ios pocket

Altho other pools mess with the N% talk about variance, luck and blah blah blah, 0% pool fee or claim they pay 99.1% simple math will show they are profiting way more than  the miners who mine there. PPLNS Pools are all profit houses for the pool owners simple math will show you that, just as I have shown you exactly what GHASH.io is doing to its members.
This information i used is based on my own rewards on miners I have pointed there during my weekly tests of their pool so i didnt pull these numbers out of the air or anything.

You want to say i am wrong, then please explain first why there are so many PPLNS pools, if they were not complete profit houses. Then explain why we have them, why would they exist. They exist because they are profit houses for the pool owners masked by a bunch of ridiculous calculations to throw the members off so they can not really see exactly how much the members are loosing and how much the pool is gaining. Not all pools are as scandalous as GHASH.io some are more fair with larger payout shifts. Thats where the N factor comes in. N is determined by the pool owners, its not added by the difficulty divided by the craters on the moon and percentified by the astrological circumference of Jupiter. its exactly what the pool owners decides it to be.

the only fair way to mine is find a few friends have about 2 to 3 PHS of mining power and start your own little mining pool together. forget members, forget the bullshit, just solo mine together, and you will get a 1 to 3 blocks a day then split the reward proportionally between the members per the hash they have pointed at the pool. Meaning if you have 10 % of the hardware pointed at the pool you get 10% of the reward.., thats fair thats equal PERIOD!!!

Please tell me PPLNS lovers what is so wrong with a proportional pool who takes 0.5% of the pool rewards as fees? explain how it could not be profitable for a pool owner. it may not make you rich like your PPLNS pool but its still profitable. and if you own 50% of the pools hashrates why would you not be making good money, why the need for ridiculous calculations, why not flat out straight forward calculations that dont even need a calculator, Ok i have 10 % of the hashrate I get 2.5 BTC no real big equation needed. DO NOT PULL THE POOL HOPPING CARD, becasue PPLNS pools are the best pool hopping experiences you can have just hop in the pool for the last N% of the block and then hop out for 40 to 60 hours, dont bullshit me I am a frequent pool hopper on many PPLNS pools its part of how I make a 3 month ROI on my machines.

Try your experiment at a market moving bank. Make sure to address the head investment executive.

Try these banks.

Goldmahn Sachs
JP Morgan
Barclays
Deutsche Bank AG
Bank of Nova Scotia
HSBC
Societe Generale
Bank of America

I promise each of the right people in these banks knows exactly what bitcoin is. And most likely if you are talking to the right person and have an account there your account has been tagged for mystery charges to appear, if you invest in one of these banks and mention Bitcoin as an investment client there your portfolio will disappear within days of mentioning Bitcoins as an asset.

The banks listed above are Market Movers, banks who do the most ruthless of financial crimes and get away with slaps on the wrists. Barclays has been taken to court 2 times for the same crime only 3 years apart from each other. The crime involved gold contracts both times. They blamed the investment exec, they were fined less than 20% of what they made committing the crime, and then paid the exec handsomely before he was terminated as per the court ruling.

The great thing about bitcoins is this, Did they supply the blockchain transactions of such claims. they can lie all they want, but the blockchain and proof of these overpaid transactions will always tell the truth.

Also i have to wonder if they overpaid to a MTGOX wallet for thier customers we all know they had the ability to get those coins back and make a new transaction for the correct amount. maybe not all of them but a most of them could have been taken back before the customers could move them to offline wallets. I know this ould seem a little scandelous, but ask yourself is that more scandalous than outright stealing 600 thousand plus bitcoins from its members with no repercussions for thier actions. not to mention the tarnished reputation it has given bitcoin.

I do not think Bitcoi8n needs paypal, imagine of all thos places listed on the statement just accepted bitcoins freely. If you let Paypal get their grubby hands on Bitcoin you now have a messed up system by using them. You will see magical fees and they know they have the power to destroy new people. If new people are comfortable with paypal but know nothing about Bitcoins, they will see these astronomical fees paypal has added to bitcoin transactions and thus be deterred from farther adapting or using bitcoins straight out. i am not excited to see paypal involved with bitcoin in any way. I just see fees on top of fees, much like the ones we see on our cash transactions thru them now.

I think all governments are understanding no matter how hard the banks lobby them to create the total destruction of such currencies, cryptocoins in general are here to stay. New York is taking huge steps in order to try and get it out of their state. Not doubtful since all the wallstreet richies and banker boys have companies sitting right there. The ones controlling the finances of the people as well as controlling the people themselves do not like those people having the ability to be free from their grasp. Laws will surely be put in place but I think in the end crypto will eventually win the war. Let them throw their little stones we can block them with our firewalls HAHAHAHA

Haha I didnt mention or discuss s0br renting hash because beyond your stupidest assumptions I also have rigs up that he rents, I also did not mention anything about it because there are things his loyal miners know that morons like you do not know. and FYI dumb ass if you did know anything about business and the difference between consumers and suppliers you would know you do not "ALLOW" s0br to rent anything, he chooses rigs of his own free will, and be happy he most likely doesnt pay attention to this forum anymore or you may lose all your rental payments.  Im sorry I am still laughing at your post as I am sure so is anyone in BaN who is reading this, if they know anything about renting rigs HAHA. Bro I can tell you are nothing that you mentioned, even a 2 year business drop out has more sense than you. HAHAHA

Ahh and now the attack on the country where I am, well let me share something with you. Cyberpinoy was the name of our internet cafe, (one of the businesses we sold) I in fact am not Filipino. I am american and a YANKEE of all horrible things HAHAHA.  Always remember its not very nice to judge people by the stupidity that is spread about their lifestyles or the uneducated stereotype rumors about where they are from.If I were to believe things like this I would assume since you are from Georgia, you are an inbred moron who most likely ate your sister mistaking her for a pig. You are most likely missing over half your teeth, bath in the river once a month,  and still staring at your Miners wondering how the mouse and keyboard connect to this computer HAHAHA. I would be careful how you stereotype people being from Georgia HAHAHA you guys have a few of your own.

And FYI the Philippines is not the country that killed their female young that was China and it was a very long time ago. Please update your library of books, or just get online and google stuff before you make such ridiculous posts.

You threw stones first wallstreet brat, so come in all defensive like Awww he said mean things about me then complained abgout it. If you kick this dog he will surely bite back. dish out take in maybe your daddy didnt teach you that while growing up. My post was a rebuttle to your own ignorance. Also, for your uneducated ass, switching majors IDIOT is called dropping out of Business Economics (which is not a MAJOR but more so a class in Business Administration) to go into literature HAHA need I say anything more, and your still here with your literature degree so yes at some point big banker daddy surely bailed you out. Someone had to pay for the 2 years of "Business College" you wasted at what was it some big fancy school you pulled out of your ass. MY ENGLISH I am not in school anymore, I am not getting graded on my posts on BTT son therefore if I misspell something so frakin what who gives a flying pigs arse?

The businesses were much greater than lemonade stands and whore houses for you and your sister, they were not multi billion dollar companies, but I built businesses sold them for a much larger profit than I had invested in them , which means by akl business economics definitions I did what I was supposed to do


Altho i took time out to put spoiled banker wallstreet brat in his place with his useless uneducated responses backed by his business school drop out literature degree I just want to add

YES I am still getting payouts for my BaN account

Yes they are timely

And yes BaN is STILL the best mining pool in the world

YESSS another wallstreet brat business drop out HAHAHA you better look at your own life before you start trashing mine DROP OUT HAHAHAHAHAHA I have my business degree and have owned and sold over 6 businesses. You have 2 years only HAHAHAHA excuses excuses, then daddy bailed you out with his "hard earned" banking money HAHAHAHAHA OMG just the irony of your story has me rolling on the floor with laughter HAHAHAHA My daddy is a big banker and Im on the Bitocoin forums running my spout about how I almost graduated business college but dropped out because I didnt understand business at alll HAHAHA



Have your fearless leader check the IPS idiot this is not one of their aliases, all of your assumptions are MOST if not ALL of the problem with this thread, off topic responses, assumptions with no proof, personal attacks on ones personal life which is no ones business. Well this time as most of your other accusations and assumptions we can once again PROVE YOU WRONG and this time one of your own  team can do it


You came into this thread spouting your lips about the impossibility of BaN paying your assumed 110% and here again (and this time you raised the reward %) you now say your pool has paid 200% to 300% PPS in your PPLNS pool. Its IMPOSSIBLE do the math yourself. NO PPLNS pool can pay 200% to 300% PPS ( lets be clear I am assuming by PPS you mean each and every share they put in for the whole 72 + Hours, I can bet you are meaning only the shares you are paying for the N shares only. geting paid N shares on a 72 hour block DOES NOT COVER THE ELECTRICITY COSTS!!! PERIOD) and if a PPLNS pool did pay 200% to 300% PPS they would be well father in the negative than BaN ever could. I am not s0br I dont even know him or his admins personally. I am not even sure how they feel about my posts, all i am doing is calling a troll out on his contradictions and repeated lies and abuse against BaN , one who seemingly hates to be proven wrong and refuses to accept facts when thrown in his face.

BaN is the best pool in the world JUST DEAL WITH IT BRO

Hmmm so what you are saying is the bitcoin developers should wait around for other companies to implement bitcoins in their own personal business. for example lets say i own Steam, you EXPECT me to take time out of my schedule and design a game to implement your coin, a plan that is going to not only raise awareness to your dream, but increase demand as well as create a massive flood of transactions. HMMM I think you need to re-evaluate whose responsibility it is to put this coin in a game.

Please sir tell me what incentive would a company like Steam have to put this project in place? what do they get out of it. If steam were to do this the demand for Bitcoins would be greatly increased. Why is it someone elses responsibility to create a demand for Bitcoins? did someone else create it, or did the developers create and work on it?  I can promise you if Steam put bitcoins only into thier transaction process, no cash just bitcoins, the value of bitcoin would go to 2000 dollars over night. And yes that much money is spent on Steam on a daily basis. They hold a platform for hundreds of games not just DotA.

And in his post we see why Bitcoins has not progressed on a user level in 5 years, its a sit around and wait for everyone else to do the work for us.

EDIT: I will say However HAHA this is a little funny after my rant, Steam is designing a game completely around Dogecoins of all things. you can see it here. It like a space conquer MMORPG and you can create items and sell them to other players for DOGEcoins http://goo.gl/lu2nYm

Ironically India is one of the top 5 Importers and users of Gold. they gold plate everything, one man even had a shirt entirely made of gold, even the buttons. As I read thru this thread I noticed a lot of you condemning a lot of people from different nations. Much like the water problem this gentleman seems to speak about in India, you have to wonder is it the people who live there at fault or the government running those cities who do not have access to water at fault? As far as the people crapping in the street, ask again (well this one can go both ways tho) is it only the persons fault crapping in the street, or could it be that the city government is allowing it to continue.

Much like the financial system anywhere in any country you have no idea what is really going in. In the Philippines 92% of their Gold and copper and silver is stolen by the chinese, why because the Governors get a handout to turn a blind eye. is this the citizens of Philippines fault, no and what is this doing to their financial system? KILLING IT, any system backed by gold is ruined when 92% of your domestic mined ore is freely given to another country.

The people of a country can not control what their government does, scream democracy all you want, the stupidity lies in the hands of the leaders not the people forced by law to abide by the laws they make. We vote them in, are you sure about that? And even if we did vote them in money speaks much louder than votes.

It is not the citizens of a country that are ignorant, it is the leadership of the country those in positions of power that control the people living there that makes them look ignorant.

I would think after 5 years this should have already been a reality. its shows how one tracked the developers of bitcoin really are. online games are a multibillion dollar industry, I just assumed it was common sense for them to have worked this into their business plan. talk about adaptation, DotA makes millions of dollars selling thier virtual items for their heros, imagine if people were using bitcoins instead of cash. They have a bitcoin portal but no one buys anything on there with bitcoins. I have all my items up for sale , people want to pay me cash and i tell them I will only accept bitcoins.  Or take another game like anything on facebook replace the games virtual currency with bitcoins, WOW. ask yourself how long would it really take the developers of bitcoin to make a game and add it to the facebook apps? hmmmm? surely not 5 years.

Exactly your pool has absolutely no way to tell me what I will be making, you can not promise me a 24 hour payment, you can not tell me what I would make in a week. it would even be hard to tell me a round about figure. 72 hours is a long time to not get a reward. PPLNS pools are in no way profitable to miners, our electricity runs on every single share we put in, we cant just pay our electric on a N amount of income for a certain amount of time, we pay for every second we run our machines, thus making PPLNS pools not profitable to mine in.

Just another reason BaN is the #1 Bitcoin Mining Pool In The World.


I think you should learn just a little bit about business economics, you guys keep saying the same thing over and over and over and not one of you have a clue as to what is going on. Its not my math that has the problem its your assumptions that are clearly wrong.

My children are just fine thank you:)

in all the flapping of your lips you denied everything but with no proof, I have bitcoin transactions that can surely be found on the blockchain to back up my statements, I have a wallet full of bitcoin transactions for my mining efforts, where is your proof? In order to be a scammer s0br would have to promise payments and NOT payout, he would have to promise a bonus but not pay it, he has done neither of those, he pays exactly what his pool says it will pay, he pays exactly the bonus he has promised and his payouts come EXACTLY when we as members there specify them to come.

I want to say (and this is my opinion) s0br stays quiet because first he is very busy there is much more to Bitcoin Affiliate Network than just his pool, secondly he is smart enough to understand arguing with you morons who have renounced the use of reason is much like administering medicine to the dead.

I however am bored every day so i appease all of your ignorance. I am also tired of allowing you idiots to think you have won a battle you have not even started to fight , you have no proof NONE OF YOU to any of your accusations, you spout off at the lips and dont mine there, you speak rubbish in every post and make wild claims you can not back up with hard proof, You refute the use of pictures and the blockchain transactions themselves.

You guys have said so much bullshit from all these accounts are connected to s0br when one of you knows for certain they are not, CK has the ability to see my IP is from the Asia and s0br is from somewhere else, YOU personally made claims that I and aurel57 have a rehearsed a duet, and I can see form his own posts he agrees with only portions of what I have to say and most likely feels I have a very loud opinion, we actually do NOT know each other not on here nor anywhere else and we have never messaged each other or colluded our responses in any way. This also can be verified by your leader CK, as a moderator he has access to our IPs and our Messages.

It is boring having to repeat myself to idiots like you who just refuse to accept hard facts, pictures as proof, and bitcoin transactions. Maybe if you stopped acting like children I would not have to repeat myself over and over like I have to with my 3 year old. Even my 6 year old daughter only has to be told something once whats wrong with you people?

If I were s0br I would not lock this thread I would come in read it and laugh my ass off every day at the stupidity you clan of misfits throw at him. He has no worries, he has nothing to hide his payouts are on the blockchain, and the trivial crap all of you misfits continue to spout from your lips only shows how utterly ignorant you all really are about BaN.


OK no more bullshit from you. I want to know EXACTLY how much 1THS can make 24 hours of mining in your pool. +-10%

On BaN I can make 0.014 +-10% in 24 hours, and guess what I will make that every 24 hours

SO NEXT

I want you to tell me what i will make in 7 days in your pool with 1THS of mining power.

In BaN I can make 0.098 +-10% a week per 1THS.

If you can not do this and prove it you just contradicted yourself!!!!! I have the earnings to prove BaNs payouts backed by the transactions on the blockchain 

I can prove you went 72 hours with no payout to an address because you went 72+ hours without solving a block therefore I already know you can not possibly work out a 24 hour estimate so NO you can NOT work out estimates. ALso i did not ask If you could work it out, I asked if your pool had the ability to tell me EXACTLY what i would be making and its impossible for as PPLNS to even try and attempt to tell anyone what their earnings might be because much like you just experienced you have 72+ hours before solving a block.

HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA

I literally fell off my chair and choked on my pepsi laughing so hard when i read this

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

OMG thank you so much for the good laugh

Most trusted??
best??

wow bro you rally are new to the game and just clicked the first cool looking icon you saw in google right. HAHAHAHA

Do new miners looking for a good payout pool care about any of this ....NOPE they dont. Who cares who owns the hash in the pool, Who ares where the 10% comes from, who cares about any of the trivial crap you keep on spouting your lips about,? only you and your band of misfits. Lets say s0br is running a pool with no profit, why do you care? what business is it of yours?

All that matters is we get paid what the page says. Your pool has absolutely no ability to tell me exactly what i will be making, you can not estimate my earnings because of the luck %s. At least with BaN a new miner can go see exactly what his payout will be. everything is available at his fingertips, how much we are paid per share, the average hashrate of our machines per payout, you can even then calculate what the bonus will be. Can your PPLNS pool do that.. NO WAY and you know it. BOTTOM LINE here, BaN is the best pool to mine in at the moment. most consistant on payouts, most reliable customer service, userfriendly interface and stats for plenty of comparisons on the dashboard. this you can not deny.

I thought a lot about this thread and I come to the same conclusion about the FUD trolls in here. The thread was started because BaN is the number one payout pool at the present moment. So to a miner he does not care where the bonuses come from. When a new person comes to this thread what they want to see is very simple.

What things are important to most miners is this!! Everything elase is trivial and would not impact a decision to mine in this pool

Question Does BaN Payout on time
Answer YES

Question Does BaN pay a 10% bonus on the shares you mine?
Answer YES

Question: If I have a problem will customer support address my probelm in a timely fasion
Answer: YES

Question: Will i make more mining in this pool than just about any other pool out right now?
Answer: YES

Question: Are payout transactions available for me to see somewhere in my account?
Answer: YES

Question: Are the blocks mined clearly visible the minute we mine them?
Answer: YES

Other questions new miners will have but may not reflect a decision to mine in a pool are as follows

Question: Are the statistics of my miners clearly displayed where i can watch them
Answer: YES

Question: Can I easily estimate my earnings?
Answer: YES

Question: Can i compare my rate to others in the pool?
Answer: YES

Question: Is the current Difficulty Visible
Answer: YES

Question: Is the world hashrate visible?
Answer: YES

These are usually the most important things a new miner cares about, notice they dont care about where the payouts come from, what is important to a new miner is does this pool actually make consistent payouts as promised, they dont care where the bonuses come from, what they care about is if the bonus promised is actually paid. So instead of bashing this mans pool with stupidity in an attempt to discredit his honesty, and confuse new onlookers, maybe try and call him out on something that matters to miners, so far what is important to miners this pool goes far above and beyond any other pool to achieve those needs.

I used the 4 block 24 hour result as just a way to show kano and his clan of misfit friends with the chip on their shoulders how that 10% bonus can be achieved. Since all they have been doing is flapping thier lips about that 10% bonus and where it comes from. I have to first wonder why they even care where it comes from, If you have your own pool who gives a flying monkeys ass where another pool gets the 10% bonus they pay their members. Kano is not able to see past his own pride and it seems he took my example to a whole other level obviously because he does not understand Pool payout structures versus block mined income, because from that 4 block 24 hour example he took it as the pool makes a 37.5% profit overall, if he would have read the whole post he would have seen I even mentioned more into the longer term mining saying if the pool can get an average of 1 block a day there may be a nice little profit.

They wanted to know where the bonus came from, they accused s0br and his admins of hiding, they trashed this new thread so i agve the babies what they wanted. It is not my fault if they didnt like factual statistics, nor is it my fault if kano does not understand how to mathematically figure out the rest of the month. I gave them an example, it was up to them to use their brain and calculate the rest of the months circumstances. I was not wanting to give them a whole business economics 101 class but maybe that is exactly what they need.

For me Kano is only showing how little he really does understand pools. Just because you can write software does not mean you can run a good business. Mining in a pool and running a pool are certainly 2 different things, CGminer is a program that allows us to mine, it does not tell us how to manage a pool, it does not calculate our income based on the pool we are mining in, nor does it manage a pool for us.

I like jammers comments because it seems very un-biased, a good representation of a good evaluation of many pools. I dont like kano, or Ck's input or the rest of thier little attack squad because it seems they only are wanting to trash a good pools reputation, just ebcause they dont like it doesnt mean they have spread lies and rumors. I have found very little truth to any of their statements against this pool and to have men like the doing such things is just not right in any way. I am not sure what they are all trying to accomplish and why men like them who DEMAND respect seem its ok to act like children and attempt, at any cost, to destroy the reputation of a pool they know very little about. They are programmers they are not Gods, respect is earned, as far as programmers I think very highly of them, as far as a moderator of a forum, and owner of a pool you will get no respect from me. You have well proven yourselves to be great leaders in the mining software department, but you have yet to prove you know anything about running a profitable pool for the miners who mine for you.