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861  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 20, 2016, 11:02:27 PM
At a guess, price stabilizes near 340, short term, drifts towards 325 and range trades until the next influx.
862  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 20, 2016, 09:12:24 PM
For a large accumulator, the goal should be smooth sublinear price response.  You can't help but level up the market, but you can avoid giving market makers the opportunity to recycle coins with volatility.  There is no point in buying the same coins twice, as it were, so supporting and resisting price moves is helpful.  The more time you take to buy, the shallower your limit slope can be.
863  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 20, 2016, 08:52:03 PM
I think things will get interesting when XMR starts to have a strong support at ATH... That's pretty much a launch for a bull market (breaking previous ATH is needed for a legitimate long term bull market). If that's done, nobody really knows how high Monero will end up eventually, and it will attract also people outside to start buying coins with fiat.

You know the ATH was just over 0.01 during the pre MintPal pump.

I consider that noise.  The listing spike is too anomalous to be considered part of the same dynamical system - and too long ago, in the high speed world of alts.  Anyone who still owns coins from that range is an infinite horizon investor, and their coins don't move until they want a yacht or an island somewhere.

864  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 20, 2016, 08:25:09 PM
A short squeeze now would probably take us to 004 in minutes.  Won't happen though, because it would be against the interest of our large accumulator.  The offer of 100, then 500 BTC was an attempt to lure liquidity.  Probably te is converting a few hundreds of BTC to XMR.  If a squeeze started (identified by parabolic movement) te would be well advised to sell some at a gain, and perhaps add an accumulation wall.  (Although any whale competitor might take the wall, so that is risky - you don't want to end up competing and chasing price up.) Getting low prices by crashing the coin with a short squeeze and panic selling would do long-term damage to the coin.  If you are hedging your BTC, you definitely do not want that.  Our whale has demonstrated strong risk aversion by making large open bids quite deep in the book.

Most likely there is one person who is willing to take a week or two to convert 300-500 BTC.    By adding green bars and subtracting red bars you get a rough estimate of their progress.  If the resulting price momentum captures a lot of little fish in the whale's wake, we will get more BTC flowing in, maybe doubling the fuel for the rise.  I would guess this ends after 1000 BTC net imbalance is accommodated by XMR coming into the exchange.  If you had access to poloniex data you could pin the ending price within a ~5% range.

OTOH if the whale is shorting ETH right now, their fuel supply might be growing.
865  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 20, 2016, 03:16:12 PM
Can you tell my why in this thread always post the same 3-4 posters??

Adoption of XMR is miniscule.  Most holders have strong privacy interests, so very few post.  Even among those who might post, few have any reason to do so.  Some are former bitcoin maximalists, or even present maximalists who want to hedge, and would lose face by showing their hand.

The miniscule adoption levels are why XMR has 500x as much upside as bitcoin, conservatively.  The current market cap is what you get with about 2000 mostly speculative holders and 20 merchants.  (Total SWAG numbers.)

If e.g. AlphaBay added XMR you could expect price to rapidly (over a few weeks) rise to the $20-$50 level, from just that one market, disregarding speculators front-running it.  If CryptoWall gang is arrested (regardless whether they are mafiosos or intelligence agents) and the next crew demand XMR, expect another factor of 2-5x. if some Chinese guy using bitcoin to buy a South American retirement home gets a bullet for evading capital controls,  expect a factor of 5-10x short-term, and 50-100x long-term.

Almost none of those people will ever post here.  But a few more FX and I-bank types will show up, a few more pump & dump people,  a few more Mrs. Wantanabe types, and some libertarian ideologues.  Then XMR maximalists will emerge in force, journalists and academics will take interest, and nation-state politics will become involved.
That's when risk goes up to new levels.

Price stability is impossible until XMR-BTC parity has been surpassed, if only briefly.  Price stability only comes when most of the circulating XMR is servicing contractual obligations, consumption, or supply chain relationships.
When that happens, risk drops dramatically.  (Bitcoin hasn't reached this level yet.)

Then very conservative large stores of wealth will adopt XMR, and the final 20-50x factor is priced in when most of the XMR is held in long-term reserves.


866  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 20, 2016, 02:42:52 PM
Lately, the jumps come on Wednesdays and weekends.  I had to say this publicly in order to break the chain.
867  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 20, 2016, 06:56:14 AM
Long stretches of boredom punctusted with intense flurries of activity.  Very profitable periods, for those who make market conservatively.  I wonder, though... Will we ever see 300ksat again
868  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 18, 2016, 11:05:21 PM
How much of a downward motion would this create if they decided to get out?  

A bid is evidence of a capability to buy in.  An ask is evidence of a capability to sell out.  Showing evidence of funds on one side does not imply funds on the other side.  One must resort to second-level gaming to infer the opposite.  Additional levels of gaming just result in compounding the inversions of logic with exponentially decreasing probability of accuracy.

500 btc would sweep the book to .004.  The offer has left the book anyhow.  The effect was an upturn in the very short-term price trend.

Sometimes a large order will result in the market fleeing the wall.  Sometimes it will result in the market seeking out the wall.  It depends on what polar flavor of liquidity is yearning to breathe free, and at what price.  So far from the top of the book, it will cause ripples, but can actually stabilize things while everyone waits for a shoe to drop.
869  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 18, 2016, 12:01:11 AM
Soooooo....Monero is NINTH in volume on Poloniex right now?  At 1124 BTC traded in the last 24 hours?

What in the heck is up with all the volume across so many different alts?Huh

Ethereum profits have to go somewhere.  XMR is still pretty low visibility.  I think most people discover it because of price spikes on poloniex.  Ethereum is the headline draw. XMR is the tortoise.

There was a big wall at 220k which got pulled.  Whatevs.  I mean, what is the point of a wall 30% off the market?  It did seem to discourage some buying though, when it was pulled.  I was surprised at that.  The silliness of human behaviour never ceases to amaze me.
870  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Which coin is the next Ethereum? on: March 16, 2016, 09:14:48 PM
Bitcoin will be the next Ethereum, functionally: rootstock.io
871  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 16, 2016, 09:11:29 PM
I'm also waiting for a GUI before moving coins off exchange.  If there's a gui integration with trezorwallet that would be even better.
Just do a paperwallet.  Easy and secure, available now.
872  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 16, 2016, 03:30:42 PM
Othe's big win has terrible optics, but what are you gonna do?  If he wins he wins.  Of course the top winner is most likely to be someone with a lot of XMR to play with, and of course the devs are going to have XMR.  For PR sake I hope devs refrain from playing big there going forward, and in time someone else will claim the top win spot, thus repairing the optics.
873  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 16, 2016, 05:32:14 AM
Indeed, just the other night, someone placed a 100 BTC offer about 10ksat below the market, which kindly bowed down to meet him, and made return visits to 270k repeatedly, until he was completely filled after a few hours.  I am not sure just how many thousands you could pick up this way in a week, but it would likely be more than any one party should own for very long.  More often, however, FOMU overtakes them after one or two visits to their passive bid, and they chase the rest up the bid stack.

It does take a fairly large order, not too awfully far from the market, however, to entice liquidity seekers.  We monerists are a patient bunch - with the exception of a few evidently short-sighted miners, who tend to dump whatever they can scrape together, and the occasional short-seller endowed with more bravado than wisdom. That the experience of a 5x rise in 15 months, in combination with far grander ambitions for the future, can instill steely resolve into the heart of the most flaccid milquetoast punter should surprise no one.

I watched this market far too much, the past week, as the drama intrigued me so.  I hereby resolve to desist.


874  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 16, 2016, 04:03:16 AM
So does anyone ever talk about price movements in this thread anymore?

Seems to be getting closer but I just can't manage to touch it.


Monkey doesn't expect much movement, but says it should be mostly upward, what there is, barring some catalyst.  The current weekly uptrend should end pretty soon, then mostly sideways, maybe a small correction, before a stronger uptrend begins, lasting about 3 months.

875  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 15, 2016, 10:45:37 PM
I don't see that happening inside of 12 months
12 months from now we might be close to the third month of a Trump presidency.  Or, depending on his choice of V.P., a Sarah Palin presidency.

Positive for XMR?
876  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 15, 2016, 08:42:29 PM
I dislike losing 1% overnight holding CDN just because oil dropped 50 cents.
Just repeating, for the record: I think oil is going down over the 1-2 week period, from here.  I think Yen is actually the best hedge in fiat.  I know it's crazy.  There must be like a quintillion yen out there.  Yet Mrs. Watanabe is dialing back on risk, so what are you gonna do?  GBP might do okay too, but big brexit volatility risk, so I can't recommend it to anyone but a gambling addict.  Gold is great long-term, scary short-term.  White metals to outperform for a while.

EDIT: If you really are a gambling addict, you might buy some SUNE and VRX, to see if David Einhorn and Bill Ackman can between them succeed in enriching you.  Remember to double up with XMR if they do, although it may take so long to find out, that XMR appreciation has meanwhile left you behind.

877  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 15, 2016, 07:53:47 PM
I've made 2% in 20 days lending to some dude ... wonder if he forgot he borrowed em?


How much did he borrow?
I'd like to know about the implied unrealized demand.
878  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 15, 2016, 05:23:22 PM
Are most holders here under the belief that monero will reward them more than holding bitcoin?

Edit to add: 2 years from now, who has a fatter wallet, 100 bitcoins or 10,000 monero?

The monero.  I would bet 5:1 odds on that, if I were into chasing 20% gains, which I am not.  In fact I hold XMR:BTC at a USD mark-to-market ratio of 12:1 at present.  I consider BTC a poor hedge, but it is nice to have liquidity, and XMR just isn't cutting it on the liquidity side at this small market cap.  (Fine for buying coffee or weed or therapy or lunch in brussels, maybe some slovenian artworks, but not good for buying a hacienda in Chile, or even for shuffling between crypto-exchanges, since many don't list it yet -- but more are coming, and some major fiat/crypto exchange will surely take it up soon, maybe kraken, maybe bitfinex, maybe btc-e.)
879  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 15, 2016, 05:16:34 PM
In other news, palladium is way cheap under 500 USD.

That was so true, and quite timely.  Expect XPDXAU to outperform while gold is retracing.  But I can no longer recommend holding XPD outright long over the near- to medium-terms.

I am short *everything* except XMR and BTC right now.  Short gold, short brazil, short spus, short oil.  It's working pretty well, and if the win is quite large, I think I may finally make that big celebratory market-buy which I never got around to before.  YOLO, and all that.

I find rates too unpredictable right now to play in that sandbox, but the HYG/SPX spread compression trade is attractive.

880  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 15, 2016, 02:11:53 PM
everytime i scan the top 20 for store of value alternatives to btc i end up with xmr these days. turned believer. got it wrong the 1st time.

Nothing wrong with being wrong that changing your mind can't fix Wink. Welcome to the future of scarcity.
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