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861  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Slots 101: Basics, Strategies, and Discussion (with poll) on: December 13, 2023, 01:55:06 AM
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Yes, that the only advantage of VPN and some people think VPN can influence the results. When you first read a statement like that, it little surprising and little funny because what is being said is just myth that can't be trusted.
I once used VPN on site that was difficult for me to access using the IP address on the PC I was using and tried using VPN by first asking for solutions and opinions from the support team so that I could access it using VPN.
Returning to the discussion regarding using VPN, when I play slots, I can only access one provider, namely Pragmatic, and other providers cannot be accessed using VPN.
It can be concluded that the use of VPN also cannot expand in playing because for other providers we are more limited.

And what you say is true and that is how slots work where everything is set by random system or what can be called RNG and this kind of algorithm can only be beaten with luck.

Yeah, casinos need to ensure they only provide services to the people from countries they are legally allowed to.

People with VPNs cannot easily be traced to their original country, so it's hard for casinos to enforce their rules.

In the end, it's risky to use a VPN because if you win big they might actually do a check and if found that you used a VPN, especially from a country where they cannot provide the service, then you will be out of luck and get no money. And they would be allowed to do that.
862  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: who Want To Bet On 2024 USA elections? on: December 13, 2023, 01:51:35 AM
If you ever wonder about why Democrats are talking about Trump more than talking about what Biden can do, it's simple; it's because Biden or a trash can basically could do more help to their nation than Trump ever could. You are talking about someone who has stolen nuclear program details from the white house to his own suite after he didn't get reelected, do you think Biden would do that?

I mean we are talking about a criminal here, someone who has other nations powerful people in his pockets, and that's why it's easy to say that instead of electing Trump, you could have a box of bananas and you would still be able to do better as a nation. The "fearmongering" you are talking about is literally a criminal president who asked a state governor to fake election results, that's not fearmongering, that's a real criminal evil that wants the highest position in politics.

I think what is happening in the US is quite alarming.

I keep seeing conversations about how old a candidate is, or how tall they are, if they are wearing shoes that make them taller, or anything else that is just personal things.

Very few actual debate about what is a good policy moving forward, with facts, a master plan, etc.

It's all just reactive, insulting, trying to make people hate "the other" so that they vote for them instead.

Compare what politicians talk these days with this quote:

Quote from: President John F. Kennedy
"We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard"
863  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [POLL] Using AI to predict outcomes on: December 13, 2023, 01:46:10 AM
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depends if the system is true random or not
if it's random than past events doesn't matter
there is the chance that a true random system returns the same result every time
and (please mathematicians correct me if I'm wrong) this chance is not smaller than any other outcome

An event can depend on the past, but most gambling events are designed so that they are independent of the past.

For example, getting a number six on a dice now is independent of how many times the dice has been thrown before, and how many sixes have appeared so far. The odds of getting a six next is still 1/6.

Now, there are real world circumstances that you might use to your advantage.

For example, lotto numbers or similar, where you have to pick numbers from a pool. Usually people go with dates, so numbers between 1 and 31. Any higher number will have slightly less people playing them, so you will have slightly less chances of sharing your prize if you happen to win.

Note that the odds for each number is still the same though, a 32 is as possible to be drawn as a 31, but as I mentioned before slightly more people will choose those lower ones.

With things like that you can make your luck a bit better.
864  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Slot games are a waste of time and money (most of the time) on: December 13, 2023, 01:41:19 AM
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One misconception that is very common is that people think of something as productive only if it makes you money or it is a step towards that goal, however humans are not really robots that only know how to work, entertaining yourself is also important as this allows you to be fresh when you have to work or simply as a way to improve your mood, and if someone finds in responsible gambling a way to do that then that is OK in my book.

Yes, that is absolutely true.

The issue at hand I think is for people that go to casinos or do it online, and they simply continue gambling all day, losing all their money, without even enjoying themselves.

There's a big difference between those two types of behaviors.
865  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? on: December 12, 2023, 06:54:25 AM
It is not possible to become addicted to gambling but gain from gambling. When a gambler is too addicted to gambling, he makes more wrong decisions than right ones, causing him to lose money instead of making money. A gambler who is addicted to gambling may not earn money by gambling, but when he is out of gambling addiction, he can gain from gambling by making the right decision. I was addicted to gambling at one time and I realized that it took me a long time to get out of gambling addiction and I was able to get out. During the time when I was addicted to gambling, I used to make more wrong decisions in gambling but when I came out of this addiction, many wins came in my favor through the right decisions. I said from my opinion that as long as a gambler is addicted to gambling he cannot make a profit.

You're probably right.

I think the extremely small minority of people who end up winning more than losing in a casino have to be extremely lucky but also extremely diligent with their gambling.

If you continue gambling when you won big, you will probably end up losing it all anyway.

So, any addicted gambler will probably end up losing everything.
866  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why the rich win gambling more than the poor. on: December 12, 2023, 06:52:18 AM
i think gamblng not about rich.
poor or rich same can win, but if rich can use marti can recovery lost in gamblng
maybe only win in you see or share if lost not share,  about  referal link promotion , can get referal comission

Yeah, there are other ways in which people actually get paid when dealing with casinos.

Normally gamblers would lose money, but if you are marketing a casinos, or streaming for a casino, etc, you might get commissions and other types of income, so you might actually end up earning money.

But that's a bit more like a normal job, not really gambling.
867  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who among you here is gambling at work? on: December 12, 2023, 06:50:38 AM
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You're right; addiction to both drugs and gambling shows up in surprisingly similar ways. We see people, maybe coworkers or friends, getting stuck in bad habits that get into their work places and cause problems. Imagine a loyal worker who used to be on time and productive but is now sneakily drinking vodka from a fake bottle at their desk. In this case, addiction makes it hard to tell the difference between personal struggle and work behavior.

Doesnt it seem odd that different people see these habits in different ways? Alcoholism might make people feel sorry for the user, but gambling addiction might make people look down on them. Still, both come from the same internal flaws. Control and awareness are important for good gambling. But when it turns into an addiction, its like giving up control of your life.

We then ask, "What makes them go this way?" Feeling stressed? Get away? The fun? To help and intervene effectively, it is important to understand these underlying reasons. We should do more than just watch; we should offer our support, right?

Well, I think the reason why most gamblers continue in their addiction is because they feel good doing it.

There's a dopamine rush that comes with the chance of becoming rich.

It's quite similar to any other addiction really. The brain behaves in a similar way, waiting for the dopamine to reach it.
868  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: do you lose on slots? on: December 12, 2023, 02:34:23 AM
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Yeah, you nailed the idea. It's similar with lottery. You often hear the lottery winners, because they are a story, special enough to be told. Everyone wants hope and as everyone has same opportunity, it feels possible and fair to win jackpot, even if it's unlikely. But in comparison, if you put a story of every single player that lost in lottery in a story. That story wouldn't be possible to read by anyone as it would be so long.

I wouldn't however tell anyone to stop playing just because winning is rare. That's why the jackpots are big in the first place. If winning would be easy, casinos would not have any money to give.

It's a personal preference.

In the end different people prefer different things. If you only look at it as a rational choice where only money matters, then it's not a good idea to gamble, because the expected return of any bet is negative. That is, you're expected to lose money over time by gambling.

However, there are other factors, such as entertainment, hope, etc. Those are hard to value, and change from person to person. Even from time to time for each person.
869  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Slot games are a waste of time and money (most of the time) on: December 12, 2023, 02:31:18 AM
Why a waste of time? I mean, one could argue that anything that is not working, making cash and learning is a waste of time, but I remember that some rock star said "I have spent half of my money on women, drink and drugs, the rest I wasted". Jokes apart, the game is to have fun and should not serve any other particular purpose so that is not a waste if it works for you.

Yes, I agree with you.

It's a completely personal thing. For some people it is simply fun and they have no issues paying for it.

But, there are some people that stay playing their whole day, and they put every cent they have in there, and they don't even enjoy it.

There's a clear difference.
870  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why the rich win gambling more than the poor. on: December 10, 2023, 11:56:49 PM
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rich people dont need money but rich people gamble just to get a thrill using the money they can afford to lose just like lower class gamblers and as @KennyR said if rich gamblers just have fun and choose to bet on dice or slot games while the second this game provides the opportunity to get the jackpot so it is natural that sometimes rich people will get big wins more often while they can bet whenever they want so luck will get closer.
but rest assured, if the big winnings are calculated in detail, it will definitely not match the losses, but rich people dont think about this because rich people have a lot of money that they won't feel like they're losing.

this assumption about big wins makes lower class gamblers have the mindset that gambling can give them luck to become rich while they forget how gambling works.

Yeah, I think you're right.

Some rich people might just gamble sometimes just for fun. Sure, but they will probably stop after they lost their bet.

I just don't see how rich people would keep trying to gamble as there's nothing much for them there.

If anything, there's a lot of time and brain power wasted while gambling, that rich people could be using in other more important tasks in their lives.
871  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who among you here is gambling at work? on: December 10, 2023, 11:53:45 PM
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That is a risk employees are taking when gambling at the work. About the black market of illegal alcohol I can even understand why people were involved on that, as it was their job, and probably a high paying one, since it was dealing with illegal stuff. However, it doesn't make sense to take risks of gambling at the work, because gambling isn't their job or a source of guaranteed income. It's quite the opposite, they are prejudicing their job and their source of income by doing that, so it's not a logical decision, but an impulsive one. Imagine risking all your reputation and professional career due to not stipulating a determined time of the day for gambling. That is really concerning and must involve an intrapsychic disorder the employee is facing.

Yeah, when people end up being addicted to something, they might start doing things you wouldn't expect.

For example, an alcoholic might start drinking at their job.

A gambling addict might start gambling at their job.

They are different things, but the behavior is basically the same. They are doing things at times that they shouldn't be doing them.

And most likely, both of those scenarios will end up badly.
872  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Low cost but effective solutions to gambling addiction on: December 10, 2023, 11:50:59 PM
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exactly, In several places in my city there are psychology doctors or similar who can help addicts to recover from their addiction, but this free place is not available every day or only accepts customers on certain days, such as every monday.
with the free opportunity to consult about healing addiction, it can be used by addicts who really want to recover from their addiction without spending a lot of money, but still psychology doctors only help provide therapy or solutions and the rest is themselves and support from the family who can help out from the black zone of addiction.

you make a very good point at the end of your words. If we live in the real world, even though technology is currently sophisticated, the most effective thing is still to consult in real life and I am worried that if we look for solutions online, addicts will return to gambling through online gambling.

Yes, I think many people are becoming more and more isolated these days because of the Internet.

They think they have everything covered but they don't feel great, and they end up in addictions like gambling.

It's always a good idea to go out for a walk, maybe a park, or anywhere really close to nature, spend some time there, it's free anyway.

You can always have a bit of a chat with the people around you, even if they are strangers, just saying good morning and a smile will make you feel better (and them as well!)
873  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: do you lose on slots? on: December 10, 2023, 11:47:33 PM
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are you sure about that? have you ever been to a land-based casino? and can you be sure that it's all paid for? not like what @nullama said, because he said there will be free food and drinks at land-based casinos.

I also think like this anyway, there is no way they give free food and drinks just like that, even if it is true there will definitely be requirements to get free food and drinks, because it is likely that they will also make this as more profit from people who come to land-based casinos.

I've been in a few casinos around the world in which they absolutely give you free snacks and drinks.

Of course it is not a buffet, but if you stay there playing for some time, you will be able to get some free food and drinks.

Again, it's a courtesy, so it's just a bit, not something that you could simply go and grab anything you want.

The people at the casino basically have to see that you have been playing and then they offer you something.
874  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: December 10, 2023, 11:45:01 PM
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I don't think there is a problem between Scaloni and Messi because even when Argentina the Qatar World Cup, Scaloni started talking about Messi and he said how helpful is this player also he also said he wanted to use Messi for the 2026 World Cup but the behavior of Messi was not good and I think this time this Argentinian player made a mistake when he decided about the team himself.

Yeah, I think at this point it is all just rumors.

We will simply have to wait and see what the official squad will be present for the world cup.

Who knows, maybe they even change their coach before that.
875  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Low cost but effective solutions to gambling addiction on: December 10, 2023, 12:49:58 AM
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Therapy requires money. Online resources and support groups are often free or cheaper. These can save lives. Doesn't it amaze you how reaching rock bottom becomes a turning point? These stark realizations frequently strengthen the human soul. Isn't acknowledging an issue a powerful first step? Gambling is addictive. When it gets out of hand, the game plays you. The shift from gambling with money to betting on oneself to change must happen here. A gamble turns productive here. It's about improving life's odds, not in a casino. Does this perspective change not provide hope? As they say, every gamble teaches. Can gambling losses lead to a more balanced life?

There are usually free places in the real world, maybe around community centers, libraries, etc. There is always help, and if anyone feels alone, they can ask help in those places.

We are social creatures, so it is always good to have a bit of a chat with people in real life, not only digital.
876  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: do you lose on slots? on: December 10, 2023, 12:41:08 AM
Everybody lose on slots unfortunately no matter who they are,the slots are so addictive that rarely the slot lovers can quit them and as soon as you can't quit them you will lose money in the short and long term.Even if you hit that max win you will spend it in a such a fast way that you will keep losing no matter what you are able to do with your money.

That is why it is recommended that people stop playing slots otherwise they will lose money in the longer term and there is no coming back from playing slots,do not be deceived by those guys showing you the streams where they win as they are playing with sponsored money so quit as long as you are able to as once you jump in the wagon of slot addiction there is no turning back.

There is a small, tiny fraction of people who actually get the big win from time to time.

That's what makes it attractive to many people, the chance, the hope of winning it.
877  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Slot games are a waste of time and money (most of the time) on: December 10, 2023, 12:36:55 AM
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Hoping to get a big win from the free spins given in the slot game, I think it's very rare to get a big win, and sometimes it will be very difficult for us to get free spins, we need a lot of capital to be able to get the free spins and that doesn't necessarily mean the payout. You get a big win and the jackpot is the same, but you will really feel the victory if you get the jackpot compared to the prize you get from the free win.

Yeah, I think the "free" spins are basically priced in on the actual odds that casinos give you.

So, instead of paying you more, they offer these free spins, so that you are more encouraged to keep playing.
878  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why the rich win gambling more than the poor. on: December 10, 2023, 12:35:20 AM
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Although poors and riches play in different ways, it doesn't give any advantages to the riches on long run. It's like saying someone who place huge bets with 1.01x multiplier on win and 94% winning chance is in a better position than people betting with a low bankroll, 2x multiplier and 48%-49% winning chance. One huge bet lost by the rich gambler already put him in a much worse situation than the poor gambler who is gambling with pennies. Riches lose much more money than poor gamblers, because they have more money to afford to lose on long run.

I think what we can say is that money lost by poor gamblers will be missed later for basic needs, while for rich gamblers it won't make any considerable difference at all. It's probably just change money...

At the end of the day the odds are usually the same, independent of how much you gamble.

And I think most rich people are not that interested in gambling anyway, because they are rich already.

That's one of the biggest things in gambling, the selling of the idea of becoming rich.
879  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can somebody make a successful career in gambling on: December 10, 2023, 12:33:43 AM
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Yes, considering gambling as a source of income is not a good thing, because every time we gamble, we have to spend capital to be able to gamble. In gambling, we don't necessarily mean we can win, let alone consistently win the gambling we play, but what they will get. only losses in gambling, when you experience a gambling addiction, of course this will be very detrimental for everyone who gambles.

Also, on top of the financial capital invested, there is the time and mental space that is taken away from making other things.

So, it can be a very expensive thing when considering every factor, like the mind and time used.
880  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Slot games are a waste of time and money (most of the time) on: December 09, 2023, 02:20:47 AM
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No one can ever win anything big from free spins or bonus spins because of the sites algorithm setting a small amount of rewards so that it is always possible to win something small from free spins.  And this gives gamblers a chance to enjoy that spin and keep depositing again and playing for a long time. This is basically their marketing policy so nothing to get too excited about it. And always keeping yourself in check, gambling should not be taken seriously

So the free spins are actually different compared to normal paid spins?

Then it's a bit misleading to name them free spins, maybe they should be called bonus games or something like that.

Because if you say "free X", I would expect to get the actual X without having to pay for it, not a lite version of X for free.
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