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861  Economy / Economics / Re: Why do people keep saying BTC is dead?! on: November 22, 2016, 11:14:07 AM
yeah i heard that many people are saying that bitcoin is dead but i think they have do not knowledge about bitcoin because keep saying that bitcoin is dead if they know about bitcoin that bitcoin is stronger currency profitable  then i am sure they will also support the bitcoin .

Cause most of them are only trolls/ bitcoin hater.  That's why we should not pay attention to those people cause most of them are attention seekers, the more attention you will give to them, the more they will think its fun.
i agree with you that hater want to fall bitcoin through spreading bad news about bitcoin they want to drop  bitcoin because they invest their money in other crypto currency but its impossible to dead bitcoin .
I think what haters goal to make bitcoin die while they do not get any benefits? I think this was done by the users themselves, causing panic bitcoin, and bitcoin they could buy at a low price
Try to explain them about bitcoins maybe they will understand, even if they are haters but it's wrong to say that bitcoin is dead when their real basis is not specified, the value of bitcoin now which is increasing already prove that this coin is existing.
862  Economy / Economics / Re: Let's Be Honest. We Are Waiting for $100/BTC to buy on: November 22, 2016, 11:07:50 AM
For the price to drop that much it would take unlikely acenarioa to happen in the short term. The only reason it would plummet like that would be loss of confidence by holders or massive regulatory restrictions.

So let's face it, if btc drops to $100 any time soon, you'd be thinking thrice about buying up.

1000 dollars price of bitcoins was possible but it will takes more years to happen, i have faith that bitcoins will go higher than the predict price but for now, i will just think for the possible things happens. Digital Currency price was not stable, so we should also consider that the price of bitcoins will also fluctuate. Lets look on the reality. Bitcoins price goes up and down, so we better think of practicality. i will buy now before its too late.
It's possible because we have already achieve that price..

Yes it is already increasing but for the price of bitcoin it doesn't need to take years before it pass to reached the hope of many which is $1,000. I guess that will happen before the end of the year. And with this Christmas season for sure many are going to buy bitcoins and doesn't need to wait for the price of bitcoin to reach down to $100.
I am also positive we are going to hit that level, just another pump as the price now started to neutralize. I would not be disappointed if $1,000 will not be achieve this year as I am confident we can have it early next year.

There is no need for a pump to reach $1000. If the price rises 5% a month, that will just take 8 months to reach.
I think it's not that easy bitcoin prices go up every month, you know that bitcoin prices fluctuate every month so the price can not continue to go up, which is probably the pump prices and then down again, it is a definite cycle
There's no such thing as reality that you will see bitcoin's price to increase on a monthly basis, it's no fixed because there are times that bitcoin will fall and then rise after wards, it's a game of prediction and all we need here is the right timing.
863  Economy / Economics / Re: what your plan for future ? and how to manage your time ? on: November 22, 2016, 05:58:40 AM
I'm currently into savings. all my income im receiving im still saving it to invest in a huge company someday so it will grow and will not loss into something i dont want. I'm managing my time everytime i have a breaktime im currently working too im offering services in my office mate and they will pay me via bitcoin and its a good start for my future.
Great plan dude, always take the opportunity to make money here and in the future when your savings is big enough you can even have your own company, it's good you do it with careful planning and it's one step at a time process.
864  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Ups and Downs ! on: November 22, 2016, 05:46:47 AM
if you could take advantage of the situations down trend or up trend i'm sure you could got profit from that and this situations is common happening on every currency even dollar also have it so it is normally and as basic law trading says that buy when the price down and sell when the price rise up

but i think it is really very difficult job to understand the ups and down trend of the bitcoin, as no one know in advance that when the price of bitcoin is going to up or when then price of bitcoin can fell down so as to sell bitcoin before the downfall started.
that's actually true, even if you have such a good anaylzation that make you confident enough to make a decision and predicting what's going on with the price afterwards, there's still a chance for you to make a wrong prediction,it's all depend on luckyness i guess
It is all part of trading. That is why you should always read news about the commodity you are trading so you can anticipate if the movement will shift. Technical analysis is one thing, being aware is another.
True, knowledge is power and that's your only way to be successful in trading. Look at those successful traders, they do not need to work anymore because they have the skills to make big money by making the right prediction. It's the basic that every trader should understand.
865  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is 1000 btc Possible on: November 22, 2016, 05:35:34 AM
Its possible but you need to invest a lot to earn such amount, and you have to start with really big budget. Otherwise with time and patience you can get good earning like this if you re hard worker
It was becoming a general thing, but I don't think there was the best way for increasing our such amount into 1000 btc in short time.
It would be quite easy if we were doing through the ico. May i don't seen other chance for that, may trade include into the best way but i wasn't seen someone is reaching these milestones before.

Even on investing to  ICO would  still imposibble to reach 1k btc on a  short period of  time. If you are risking  huge amount of Fiat money to invest into  ICO then might possible  but  no  people or man  would  able to do that hence as we all know that  some ICO are just total scams which isnt an ideal thing to do so. Just  like what  happen to  zcash now. ICO price is high because of the  hype  but still it ends on  low price. 1000 is  hardly to achieve. Period
So sadly with a lot of ico every day was coming. But there is some project was offering a great chance for us. Zcash has become the big fails in the world of crypto.
The time is relative.
Even imagine invest up to 10 btc in stratis and i will get over 9 times in my investment capital.
Therefore there's always the risk in cryto especially the alts, but I find it better compared to just putting your money in gambling. This type of investment are good for the people who are willing to take big risk and ambitious enough to make money.
866  Economy / Economics / Re: How would you double $100,000 safely? on: November 22, 2016, 05:23:13 AM
Sure who had invested last year into bitcoin were able to double their investment, but the window has closed already, bitcoin might allow once again with the next halving to achieve a good result, something around 1000 dollars should reach into 2020. But there are some risk, the price now its quite high if we remember the halving price were something like 550-600 dollars.
Pretty easy really, that's a great achievement for every investor to double there money if they have not invested yet, I have a feeling it was never too late because there's still next year and It seems like the price trend will continue. Another double of the price would be possible.
The word if will play here, if we have invested in the past we can make profit now because the price has double and it's a great increase. What if focus on the future, I do believe there's still more chances that bitcoin's price will increase because people believe in this and  big companies are starting to adopt as well.
867  Economy / Economics / Re: Loans too risky? on: November 22, 2016, 05:05:41 AM
All investment activities and work with finances - is the risk. We need to all be approached wisely and if these risks are reduced
including the lending yeah, when you want to make a profit by providing loans to others, this will give a great risk, but you can minimize by providing certain conditions
What certain conditions? I would love to know since we are in the crpyto world or online world and the condition or collateral is not that valuable here.
Can you please enlighten me with your explanation as I myself would love to start lending as well but it's not good to take bigger risk.
Maybe what he is refferring is the collateral which mostly a Bitcointalk accounts..

Try to analyze the situation, with an account do you think people will still have their account back when it's easy to create new account and even bought new account, maybe it's possible but it is highly discourage in the forum as you are helping to promote possible scammers in the future.
This type of collateral is making loans very easy as well as posing a problem to lenders like you have mentioned.

But, I believe, the industry of loan has been completely rejuvenated due to this community like how bitcoin has facilitated banking facility to many under developed country people. Being a member of this community, we are simply getting eligible to avail a loan by giving some collateral.
There's no problem if we can give collateral but the big question is what collateral are they gonna required and can we produce that collateral. I have not seen any business who were successful without knowing their clients full record, here in bitcoin everything is anonymous.
868  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: November 22, 2016, 05:00:37 AM
now gold is quite promising, moreover, it is accepted throughout society and is particularly suitable for long-term investment. but this time choose bitcoin I guess is a good thing, because it looks like bitcoin prices are rising, so it is nice if the investment in the current bitcoin

Yes, bitcoin is rising faster than gold, so its wise to invest in bitcoins, if you are faced with a choice. I personally also prefer bitcoins. The bitcoin is rising pretty steadily, who knows, what the future holds for bitcoin users?

The bitcoin is a currency, you can use that to buy things directly and easily. The gold is mainly an investment.
We never know what happens in the future, wiser if we divide our investment, although it is currently very favourable, but we should still be on alert if bitcoin prices will plummeting. Gold investing is also very nice because everyone likes gold and can be sold quickly or even we can pledge. Let us wise to choose investment.

for people which don't have much of money, then bitcoin is a good option to invest and they can use it for trading, saving in their wallet. but for people that have much of money, then they can use bitcoin and gold for investment so they can make double profit from two type of product and i am sure that they can make big profits.

Bitcoins might be a good kind of investment but i still go for gold. At least gold has an important value to every one. Gold is more valuable than bitcoins, its value will never fade, unlike bitcoins that anytime can crash. Gold is easier to convert into cash and even a small amount of gold can be easily convert into cash. Gold is more known by people.

I'm curious what makes you think so?

Even if have a gold dealer living behind the corner (whenever I write gold dealer I always start thinking about drug dealers, lol), you would be able to sell your gold only on working days at working hours. There may indeed be pawnshops behind the next corner open 24/7, but I don't really think their price will ever make you happy. And note that you can convert to cash even smaller denominations of Bitcoin, as small as hundredths and thousandth of one Bitcoin

I don't think that gold is easier to convert because bitcoin is easier to convert into cash. You need to find some legit pawnshops or gold dealers before you are able to convert that to cash. Unlike in bitcoin you can just easily use good exchange websites to convert your bitcoins into cash,lesser transaction fees and everything.
It's never easy to convert gold while bitcoin you can convert it anytime you wanted. That's the big difference, and with that people are using bitcoin as their investment is like cash as well where if they prefer to cash, they can easily do it.
869  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: If you were rich, would you still gamble? on: November 22, 2016, 02:50:40 AM
yes I will say as if I had a lot of bitcoins then I would like to get more so I say most people always wants to get more as same as me and if you lose a bit I'm sure it wont matter if your were rich. also in my experience when you have a lot of money to gamble you should be able to win more if you place the right bets.

It's useless to gamble if you are rich, there's no need to earn more money since you have everything. Besides, you are richer than the house, why not just create your own gambling site? and play as much as you want, or open it to all and run it with lower house edge if you want to lose money? Or if you really want to bet, why not invest in the gambling site, and ask the operator to let you play as much as you want?
That's the best idea so far, instead of investing and gambling why not have your own casino. There's money in gambling but only if you are a the operator, it's always been profitable so maybe for rich people they have to check this kind of business if it falls in their interest.
870  Economy / Economics / Re: The dream of getting rich with bitcoins on: November 21, 2016, 01:42:23 PM
I should have taken it seriously when I was told about the BTC in January 2009! Some related the BTC to the iluminatis, saying that it would be the unification of the coin, I found talk stupid and late in the middle of last year I awoke to this world, how much regret! Those who entered early made a lot of money! Today all this is past, just investing in a new altcoin or doing real trade.

Just move on pal, we can't even go back to a single minute of our lives. But that is just their reward for trusting bitcoin that it can give them profit after investing into it. What we must do is just make those early bitcoin earners that became rich today as inspiration that we can be just like them and start working out for different ways of earning bitcoin.

It is never too late though. You can still earn a lot even with the current price of bitcoin. You can still accumulate as much bitcoin and become rich because of it someday. Or if  you find a good altcoin, you can still be rich thru that too. The thing is, don't deal too much of the past, and look forward in the future.
it's either you work for bitcoin to have it or buy it, but I guess buying is more easy as it can give you the number of bitcoin as per your desire. It's necessary to have a decent amount of investment so you will not blame yourself in the future one bitcoin price will grow significantly.
871  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Worst mistake in gambling on: November 21, 2016, 01:37:48 PM
The worst mistake i ever did is when win big money in a casino site and then lost it all when come back again to play
Well, lot of people are like that also they come back to the casino or gambling site for them to get back what they lose but actually they will just lose again. And you cannot recover for whatever reason because you didn't notice that it is already an addicted illness in gambling.
Yes, I also think that chasing losses is the worst strategy and mistake in gambling. I have been saying this but myself I am chasing losses lol Tongue actually no matter what we say but we all are addicted when gambling and its obvious we want to cover our losses whenever we gamble.
That's true.. most gamblers are chasing their loses trying to recover all the money they've spent in gambling or casinos till they become addicted to it. Just learn to control yourself and lesrn also to accept losing try to let go of your ego so that it won't make you losing more money in gambling.
Agreed, I think if you have lose so much then try to calm yourself and control it because if you cannot control your mind it will be turn you to be addicted and worst part is the chance to all your all bitcoin, so better calm yourself before you bet again.
I wish that's easy to do but in reality it's just easy to say but it's really hard to do it. When our price were touch, we will fight for it as an a human we react in a situation where we feel we are challenge and no matter what people say if that is inside of us it will just appear anytime in gambling.
872  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How to stay away from gambling? suggestions ? on: November 21, 2016, 01:33:37 PM

A person who knows how to control his own emotion will make him feel crazy when he is losing a big money as he plays and that is going to be a big deal even he is a good in controlling himself. And if someone is not really helping himself to stay away from gambling and doesn't do anything then that will be also a factor that can make him a gambling slave.
True, it is also depend of a willingness of an addicted person if they really wanted to stay away in gambling, because for me once you don't have willingness your plan to stay away will always be useless. We also need the help of the advice of other people so that we can hear their sides on how to really stop playing gambling.

I agree with this.. unless we do something for our self, then that is the time we can change our lives. Change is huge, change is complex, change is beautiful, change is hard .... but change is vital. If we want to change our lives and be out of addiction, then we need to something changed.
And I wanna add something, we cannot change with ourselves alone, we need the guidance from above and most especially from our family. They are the one who sees our real  situation and will encourage us to change and hopefully we see and be inspire of their support to us.
873  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin is Becoming a Global Currency on: November 21, 2016, 01:30:29 PM
It is a global currency used by few from the developed countries, owning a larger percentage by the rich and educated. I only know a person physically who trades and use bitcoin. The high demand of a cap bitcoin currency will definitely increase the price of the coin. The anonymity make it a hidden investment by the corrupt politicians. Ability to trade on the internet with it make it a mobile wealth that can just be kept in my portable device.
Exactly, therefore we will not waste our time just watching it grow, we need to made the right action from now on.. We, the early adopters must benefit with bitcoin in the future because it's all about digital money in the future and bitcoin will lead.
Yeah, always take the opportunity to invest since the adoption rate is not that big, once we will achieve a massive adoption the price will significantly increase and we cannot benefit for it when we do not invest now. It's risky and we know that but it's better than gambling.
874  Economy / Economics / Re: What percentage of people on Earth will own Bitcoin by 2020 on: November 21, 2016, 01:25:29 PM
It's hard to predict how much people use bitcoin, since it pseudonym and people easy to generate bitcoin address.
But let's count roughly, according to blockchain users, the statistic showed over 10 millions people using their wallet service, let's say its count 1/2 of the stats(let's say just 1/2 real people used, 1/2 is their multiple address), it's 5 milions now. Per 1 years the users increased 5 millions. at 2020 = 25 millions people. that's just my roughly calculations.

Thing is anyone can have 10 bitcoin address depending on the users, maybe your estimate is not so conservative. I believe we are only few but what matters is we are growing in no. and that's a good guide for us to invest since it's a growing community.
875  Economy / Economics / Re: Is bitcoin dead? on: November 21, 2016, 01:06:00 PM
Everyday we are having at least a new coin coming up. Bitcoin has been around for quite some time and it has also gained considerable popularity. Its nature of transactions has made it to spread very quickly and I don't think it is going to die any soon. I believe 100% that it is here to stay and other coins will come and go leaving it to dominate the crypto-market.
that's right there's no reason that bitcoin will be dead we all know every single day theres a new investor in this crypto currency called bitcoin and every investor the price of bitcoin grows so fast that's why in the next 5 years i believed in bitcoin that it will be our first digital currency that will be primarily used in everyday life.
Maybe the right word is died since bitcoin has died before and has risen. It's us who make this alive and we are making great effort that resulted to current progress of bitcoin we see. It was not dead because it's so alive now, I reap the benefits of my trust with bitcoin so it's valuable to me.
876  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How much time to 30 losses on a roll on: November 21, 2016, 12:58:52 PM
I've had experienced a losing streak of 20, it was horrible feeling. i started increasing my bets after 14th bet by the time i reached 20th bet i'd lost all my coins.
And who knows maybe more were on the cards ? I mean there were more losses had you bet more ... I have never seen much bad streak and maybe because I gamble very less and instead I prefer betting on higher odds like 1.1 and increasing bet by 10 times on a loose. There it will be completely impossible (almost) to get 30 losses in a row Cheesy
30x  lose streaks   on some  gambling games  seems  impossible to happen though  but  its really possible to happen on dice  games  30x  will surely experienced   when the  odds are  small and  high x on  your bet. I do experience lose  10x streak  on some games  but in dice  i do experience almost 20+  which will wipe out  your bankroll no matter how  big it is.  Lossing it  may matter on seconds.
You must be gambling less because I have got once 13 bets loosing streak and hey I was not making 10mil bets I just about made 1000 bets or so, while I am not saying I was cheated but those losses at that time made me quit the site. Because its hard to digest such streaks, 30 losses in a row is almost impossible.
30x lose streak  is  impossible if  you  do  hi-lo game   in my own  opinion  but if  you  are playing   dice  20-25  lose streaks  is   possible on  50% chance. I dont   see someone  do suffer 30x  lose  streak on  dice,  i dont know  if  its  possible  or  not . It  would really make  you  quit  if   you  lost  all  your bankroll  especially when you do  have  huge amounts  and  i assume you  use   martingale  which is  already  busted on most  gambling  sites.

I don't want to stress the discussion so much but you are very wrong, that is not impossible because it happens already..
877  Economy / Economics / Re: If you were in desperate need for money.... on: November 21, 2016, 12:50:01 PM
Of course there is the possibility of appeal to the bank for a loan. There are times that there is no time to wait and look. If your credit history is good, no problems should occur, and you can immediately get the money in his hands.
that's indeed one of many way to face the current situation,but honestly i'd never wanted to have an affair with the bank if i can sell things, then i will sell,it's better than paying more than what you receive,bank always having an interest and that's bad for me in the future, and if there were an urgent thing comes and force me to spent more than usual monthly spending
It's easy to loan in the bank and they are cheaper compared to any other lending company, if your intention is only to loan when in times of desperation, I guess no problem with that but for some people, they do not loan for times of trouble only but to buy their wants.
878  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What is your reason to gamble? Fun or profit? on: November 21, 2016, 12:45:56 PM
The main idea to gambling of course for profits even tough I do enjoy process that required knowledge, skills and luck, it's fun.
We can't avoid losses in gambling so just bet what I can afford to lose and set some amount just for gambling and when it gone, I quit.


those who play gambling games for profit and nothing else will soon end up regretting it because there is nothing in gambling apart from losing. and all that skills and luck talk is just talk that gamblers use to fool themselves into thinking they can eventually turn the table around and start winning when in fact their total stats are in loss.

True. Gambling can not bring you a stable profit. You will soon be bankrupt and lose all your money. If you continue to gamble without thinking clearly, you will end in debt. Gambling is just for fun. Keep that in you mind
There is really no such thing stable income in gambling, because gambling is always base on luck and there is always NO ASSURANCE in gambling because in gambling if you don't have strategy just enjoy your game and don't mind about winning.
There is and only if you win but most of the time we lose because it's gambling we have no advantage in playing it, therefore a wise man will always play gambling for fun so it will not affect our life and we can still go on with a productive life.
879  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2016/17 NBA Season on: November 21, 2016, 12:30:15 PM
I would like to take Clippers HT/FT for their encounter with Raptors, Clippers are on fire and their offense is very strong and they pushing to awesome performance, in recent they are far ahead from Raptors with their offensive style of game and making rain of points there, so that I think this will be dominated by Clippers.

Man it is really hard to predict that game and I didnt bet on that. I rather bet on Rockets vs Piston game and I picked the Houston @1.73. It is tough day for me and you think I'm just playing safe?
You just said that it's hard to predict the game and you are paying safe? What the hell, there's no playing safe here, game are unpredictable because games can be rig.
880  Economy / Economics / Re: Investing Bitcoins? on: November 21, 2016, 12:26:17 PM
We need to be careful in investing bitcoin specially in mining sites there are lots of sites are scam they promissing good return but the truth is they want to collect more bitcoin in the way of scamming.
Mining sites are not advisable, most of them are scams and I myself has fall victim on one of the mining sites, but it really depends on the risk tolerance of someone, there are people who are risk takers and they profit because they know the right timing.
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