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8601  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2014, 11:58:34 PM
Do not fear going forward slowly; fear only to stand still.

there is nothing to fear but fear itself.
8602  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2014, 08:06:46 PM
nope its back above 430 all is well again!!
Please stop this, its boring to watch every single move.
We all have and can read charts ... get a life my friend

8603  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2014, 07:59:24 PM
nope its back above 430 all is well again!!
8604  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2014, 07:58:58 PM
small dip 426.8.

could this be the beginning of the end?
8605  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2014, 07:44:17 PM
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Jorge has been wooed by Chinas pretty volume numbers and actually thinks they own 90% of the coins.
GIGO

Garbage in, garbage out
Ahem, ahem, my Masters thesis in 1979 was on garbage collection.  So THAT is something I am competent at.  

You should see my office if you don't believe it.  Wink

you done so many interesting things

you should buy a bitcoin, so in the future you have one more amazing story to tell.
8606  Economy / Speculation / Re: My BTC Position is... on: May 06, 2014, 07:00:56 PM
I will keep my last bitcoin even if we get on rock bottom ...


and reach this level of poverty ...





1.00 ZWD   = 0.00276319 USD
 Shocked

no way i'd be a millionaire

i have hundreds of billions trillions of these "dollars"
8607  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2014, 06:07:18 PM


thought it was funny so i share
8608  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2014, 06:04:56 PM
As far as i know we had bubbles of comparable magnitude before, with or without China.
The evolution of the BTC price since Oct/2013 can be explained in terms of Chinese events only, and does not seem to react to any events outside China.  Even the Feb/10 drop related to MtGOX was probably due to Mark's claim of a 'bug in the protocol' rather than the dealings of MtGOX itself.  

So it is hard to deny that the rise from ~100$ to ~1000$ and the current ~450$ are entirely due to the Chinese market.  If we consider percentual increase in price, indeed there were comparable bubbles before.  If we consider total demand for BTC, China was about 10x all the previous bubbles combined.

Obviously. Because price and demand driving the price are in a linear relation, huh?
Agreed, that "10x demand" is just a very rough guess, based not only on the price increase but also on the demographics of the market as some articles have described it (not nerds, but mostly amateur speculators with no computer expertise, who used to speculate on other things - a profile that seems to be common in China but not in the US).

What is your guess for the number of coins that Chinese speculators have bought to speculate with -- 2x, or 50x, the Western number?  Wink
1/10th

Jorge has been wooed by Chinas pretty volume numbers and actually thinks they own 90% of the coins.

GIGO

Garbage in, garbage out
8609  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2014, 05:44:16 PM
As far as i know we had bubbles of comparable magnitude before, with or without China.
The evolution of the BTC price since Oct/2013 can be explained in terms of Chinese events only, and does not seem to react to any events outside China.  Even the Feb/10 drop related to MtGOX was probably due to Mark's claim of a 'bug in the protocol' rather than the dealings of MtGOX itself.  

So it is hard to deny that the rise from ~100$ to ~1000$ and the current ~450$ are entirely due to the Chinese market.  If we consider percentual increase in price, indeed there were comparable bubbles before.  If we consider total demand for BTC, China was about 10x all the previous bubbles combined.

Obviously. Because price and demand driving the price are in a linear relation, huh?
Agreed, that "10x demand" is just a very rough guess, based not only on the price increase but also on the demographics of the market as some articles have described it (not nerds, but mostly amateur speculators with no computer expertise, who used to speculate on other things - a profile that seems to be common in China but not in the US).

What is your guess for the number of coins that Chinese speculators have bought to speculate with -- 2x, or 50x, the Western number?  Wink
1/10th
8610  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2014, 05:04:43 PM
8611  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2014, 04:15:49 PM
Another day in the mid 400s range. I'm telling you we will be in 400-500 land for quite a while. Accept it.

for a long time sellers have been in control of this market.

because, bad news weekly.


Or maybe it's because we just had an enormous bubble that needs to deflate?

it takes both  enormous bubble that needs to deflate and  bad news weekly. to really do some damage to the all mighty value creator that is bitcoin



you know it true....

8612  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2014, 02:05:57 PM
Another day in the mid 400s range. I'm telling you we will be in 400-500 land for quite a while. Accept it.

for a long time sellers have been in control of this market.

because, bad news weekly.

price wants to gravitate higher, because increased adoption despite bad news, but so long as sellers are ready and willing to sell at these prices, price will stay here.
i don't think we'll see a high volume bottom, because no one is in a rush to sell, bitcoin is doing just fine even if the news is negative.

i see a slow and steady stream of coins changing hands , which will lead to an inevitable rise in price once sellers are done.

i see the rise in price as inevitable because the increased adoption / recognition of bitcoin on a global stage has already happened, once we are done milking the cheap coin offered by weak hands and profit takers, the market will have no choice but to obey supply and demand to its inevitable conclusion; 18,000$ / BTC  Cool

1) Once sellers are done? You do realize that at this moment bitcoin is still inflationary right?
2) Increased adoption? China has just stated that it does not want anything to do with bitcoin, as well as Russia, so global must mean the rest of the world, excluding the two largest countries on earth?

the global perception of what bitcoin means & its future implications , has changed, it matters not what laws sutren governments put on it.

if anything these laws are further proof of the fundamental shift in  perception happening today.
8613  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2014, 02:00:02 PM
Another day in the mid 400s range. I'm telling you we will be in 400-500 land for quite a while. Accept it.

for a long time sellers have been in control of this market.

because, bad news weekly.

price wants to gravitate higher, because increased adoption despite bad news, but so long as sellers are ready and willing to sell at these prices, price will stay here.
i don't think we'll see a high volume bottom, because no one is in a rush to sell, bitcoin is doing just fine even if the news is negative.

i see a slow and steady stream of coins changing hands , which will lead to an inevitable rise in price once sellers are done.

i see the rise in price as inevitable because the increased adoption / recognition of bitcoin on a global stage has already happened, once we are done milking the cheap coin offered by weak hands and profit takers, the market will have no choice but to obey supply and demand to its inevitable conclusion; 18,000$ / BTC  Cool
8614  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2014, 01:44:30 PM
Another day in the mid 400s range. I'm telling you we will be in 400-500 land for quite a while. Accept it.

for a long time sellers have been in control of this market.

because, bad news weekly.

price wants to gravitate higher, because increased adoption despite bad news, but so long as sellers are ready and willing to sell at these prices, price will stay here.
8615  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2014, 02:41:00 AM
thats only 4825173 seconds poeple... take action now
8616  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 06, 2014, 02:28:11 AM
 56 Days Left

get your bitcoins today
8617  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: May 05, 2014, 10:11:48 PM
imagine if they dig a hole in the ground and find a shit tone of gold and silver

8618  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 05, 2014, 09:38:20 PM
still waiting for this "big drop" that everyones predicting wishing for
8619  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 05, 2014, 08:40:59 PM
Strange Monday at Huobi: a bit of trade in the morning and early afternoon, very little from 5:00 pm local time onwards.  Usually it is the other way around, trade peaks in the late afternoon and evenings.
how do you notice that and not have any bitcoin totally blows my mind.
In the late 1980s and early 1990s I spent as much time discussing space exploration on the USENET sci.space forum as I am spending here.   Here is one of my posts from that time.  By the way, "mining" then meant extracting precious elements from asteroids to build spaceships or space colonies.

But no one ever told me that I had to put at least one satellite into orbit, or capture at least a small asteroid of my own, for my ramblings to be worthy of that forum.  Wink

PS. In 1986 the internet was restricted to universities and some computer companies, such as DEC where I pretended to work worked, and was managed by (D)ARPA.   There was no WWW; only FTP, e-mail, and USENET (a distributed bulletin board with its own protocol, UUCP).  There were no anonymous users; if anyone misbehaved badly, other people would complain to his employer/university, and that usually solved the problem.   Can you imagine an internet with no spam, no advertising, no phishing, no viruses, no webpages that steal your cycles to mine bitcoins, no silly avatars? In 1986 the first computer worm was still 3 years away.   Sigh...  Cry


I bet you were a Millenium and Deuteros player




Jorge imagine if you did  put at least one satellite into orbit, or capture a small asteroid!

imagine the possibilities!

buy now while price is low!
8620  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 05, 2014, 07:11:07 PM
Strange Monday at Huobi: a bit of trade in the morning and early afternoon, very little from 5:00 pm local time onwards.  Usually it is the other way around, trade peaks in the late afternoon and evenings.

how do you notice that and not have any bitcoin totally blows my mind.
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