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8601  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: December 17, 2012, 11:45:24 AM
If the crash doesn't hit the headlines it didn't happen.

I think it would have to drop below 10 to hit the headlines in any serious way. Bitcoin dropped from 13.80 to 12.80 just isn't going to cut it.
8602  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Electrum - Bitcoin client for the common users (friendly and instant) on: December 17, 2012, 11:14:44 AM
I tried a shortcut with following target:

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L:\Tools\Hardware\Geld\Electrum\electrum1.5.6-flatfly.exe -w "L:\Tools\Hardware\Geld\Electrum"

I tried without double quotes too. A process is shown for a second then it dies.

The path should point to the dat file itself, not just the containing folder. So, if the dat file is called electrum.dat:

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L:\Tools\Hardware\Geld\Electrum\electrum1.5.6-flatfly.exe -w "L:\Tools\Hardware\Geld\Electrum\electrum.dat"

maybe you should change the thread title. Having to tell people to use a build of some other guy is not "friendly for the common users". Hell, most "common users" don't even know how to start electrum other that double-clicking.

  • I have had to dig up old version of electrum to get to my money back and chang the seed 2 times because the seed format had changed.
  • I have had a corrupted wallet and had to restore from seed at least 4 times, losing all my transaction labels every time.
  • Often times I cannot connect to any of the servers.

I'm still using electrum because: fuck the transaction labels, I just don't use the feature any more at all because I'm pretty sure my electrum.dat will get fucked again and I'm pretty sure I can salvage my keys from the seed with help of developers if needed.

You have to admit you guys made users go through pretty rough patches in the past. I hope it'll stabilize at some point.

Thread title should read: "electrum - wallet for people with strong nerves"

I still love electrum, btw, many thanks for making it, guys, but this had to be said.
8603  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-12-15 Forbes.com - U.S. Secret Service Bans Certain Gold and Silver Coins on: December 17, 2012, 10:23:38 AM
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U.S. Attorney Anne M. Tompkins declared:

Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism. While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country. We are determined to meet these threats through infiltration, disruption, and dismantling of organizations which seek to challenge the legitimacy of our democratic form of government.

this is sickening.
8604  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: December 17, 2012, 09:32:22 AM
Keep on crashing BTC!  Cheesy $12.92, btc-e hit $12.65 lol

it certainly looks like we might go lower. fuck. I'm all long... as always.
8605  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: December 17, 2012, 09:23:56 AM
for some reason my working buddy was singing "move in the right direction" this morning when he came in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bm9DukNxO4
8606  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Bitcoin-Treffen "Hamburger Runde" on: December 16, 2012, 11:21:12 PM
man kann keine tickets mehr vorbuchen... gibt's "abendkasse" beim ccc?
8607  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Bitcoin-Treffen "Hamburger Runde" on: December 16, 2012, 07:06:14 PM
wäre dabei.

Idee: man könnte sich während des ccc treffen (z.B. am 29.) und da Leute "abgreifen". Kleines Bitcoin-treffen am Rande des CCC, möglichst irgendwo in der Nähe der Messehallen (wo's glaub is). Vielleicht Schanze? Eventuell könnte man ne kleine party organisieren.


8608  Economy / Speculation / Re: why did the 12k+ coin dump not create panic? on: December 15, 2012, 02:47:48 PM
it seems every-time we have a dump, the price recovers quickly. ( its been happening all year really... )

Because we are now almost 4 years old. One doesn't panic that easily any more at such old age.
8609  Economy / Speculation / Re: my intuition says: we're sitting on a rocket about to be ignited on: December 15, 2012, 02:45:31 PM
Hopefully BTC will be $50 each by 2013, and I will be closer to becoming a millionaire.

Slow and steady growth is what I would prefer. $50 by 2013 most likely means another crash.

Slow and steady growth (if we can call the period from July 1st 2012 until now steady growth) would take us to almost 50 by the end of 2013.
8610  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: December 15, 2012, 02:39:22 PM
The Thunderclap will probably come Monday.  Put your helmets on:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-14/there-go-apples-margins-iphone-5-sell-wal-mart-third-original-price

Wal Mart of all places?!


pfff. That's not "a third off". You'd have to add the subsidy from carrier. It's more like 7% off or something. No big deal.

But anyway, I love to bash apple as much as anyone: fuck them for making closed products that lock consumers in and force them to buy more crap from them (or windows to use iTunes). They deserve a share price below $100 if you ask me, just for being snobbish assholes.
8611  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: How to detect the change output? on: December 14, 2012, 10:57:42 PM
When will we have a fix for this?

you could just add "+1" after "size()" and recompile. maybe do some testing before using it productively.
8612  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: December 14, 2012, 10:47:42 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPmrWwNeuKE
8613  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: December 14, 2012, 10:46:01 PM
I'm holding....and if we go low enough, i will double my position.  Cool


oh you people with fiat on their hands. tsts Wink
8614  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: December 14, 2012, 05:09:02 PM
Can't believe they still have these bugs in their system. Anyway these spikes are usually followed by a massive upswing.

yeah, all the bots confused Wink Maybe it's intentional... that'd be quite unethical.


Its not a bug, its something to do with people buying in a different currency than usd and how gox converts it or something... there have been threads on that before but I can't find it on this stupid phone.

well that's not a good solution then. If markets are combined in any way it should still be consistent in the sense that there aren't any out-of-band trades happening.
8615  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Ripple a Bitcoin Killer or Complementer? Founder of Mt Gox will launch Ripple on: December 14, 2012, 02:41:45 PM
The core of Ripple is somewhat analogous to a bank account. When you have dollars, or any other normal currency, someone owes them to you. If you say "I have $5,000 in the bank", what you mean is that your bank owes you $5,000. Now, imagine if instead of having a regular bank account, you had something more analogous to a Bitcoin transaction output, and the bank agreed to pay the money to any customer of theirs that could prove they owned that transaction output. Now, you can transact in dollars just like you do in Bitcoins. You can send that balance to someone, split it up, join it, whatever. And that output has value because any customer of that bank can redeem it for cash.

(Don't get me wrong, afaik ripple is a very promising idea. I'm just not sure of the appli/implications yet.)

Does this mean before accepting $100 in "value" from someone (basically that would be debt of some "bank"), I'd have to evaluate the amount of trust I have into the entity that initially issued the $100? That seems indeed to be a destructor of fungibility.
8616  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: How to detect the change output? on: December 14, 2012, 11:44:52 AM
bitcoin-qt tries to randomize the position of the change output, but I believe the code has a flaw:

// Insert change txn at random position:
vector<CTxOut>::iterator position = wtxNew.vout.begin()+GetRandInt(wtxNew.vout.size());
wtxNew.vout.insert(position, CTxOut(nChange, scriptChange));

The problem is that size() is one in the common case of one payee, so GetRandInt will always return 0.The change ends up in the first output.

I think it should be size()+1.

Holy moly! That means we can get a much better approximation of transaction volume Wink
8617  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: December 14, 2012, 10:11:07 AM
Can't believe they still have these bugs in their system. Anyway these spikes are usually followed by a massive upswing.

yeah, all the bots confused Wink Maybe it's intentional... that'd be quite unethical.
8618  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: December 14, 2012, 08:38:37 AM
bitcoincharts is showing a spike to 13.90 which I can't see anywhere else (neither in traidor nor on clarkmoody):



EDIT: sorry, I do see it in traidor:



Must be some quirk @gox. The asks have not been cleared out.
8619  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: December 14, 2012, 07:55:07 AM

Maybe cypherdoc found some change in an old jacket pocket and was alerting his subscribers he was about to pick up a few more coins  Grin

Change? Probably his grandpas gold stash. "Sorry grandpa, but this is the daaaash to the digital caaash!"
8620  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Blowing up today on Reddit - go upvote!! on: December 13, 2012, 11:15:21 PM
Wow, that thread is great! I think this is my favorite comment:
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Are you kidding me? Is this thread filled with as many BitCoin promoters as it feels like? Pretty much every upvoted comment/thread looks like it was planned out. I don't know why, but something feels really fishy about this whole thing.

I don't know if it is good or bad but rigging a reddit should be quite easy. Consider an issue tracker that treats each reply to one reddit as an issue. The interested community could mark issues as resolved as soon as a sufficiently good answer was given. This way a far smaller group can answer far more posts without all having to read all posts.

A more generic approach would be a browser plugin that allows me to mark reddit users as competent/my team/insiders and the plugin automatically collapses all posts that were already dealt with by a marked users.

I like it. Would definitely use it together with you guys. Call it "crowd control" or something Wink.
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