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8641  Economy / Economics / Re: Which one is good, trading or investing? on: September 12, 2016, 05:14:44 AM
Both is good, but it's can't be compared, because you getting your profit with trading just now, investing is for people who will recive their money in future.

Just remember, trading is also an investment because you put your money into it to earn some profit out of it. Then its all the same but there are lots of investment which they differ some may gain profit for a long time or in a short time basis. You can choose freely on what investment would you like just  be careful on choosing the right one.

I only trade bitcoin with good altcoins. So if I buy the Ethereum, for example, its price drops against bitcoin, but it still rises against dollar.

Me too, i also earn bitcoin by trading it altcoins. I trade litecoins and dogecoins which have really good future. I don't trade those coins showing nowadays which most of them (but not all) are definitely scams. The only plan of the developer of that coin is to get bitcoin from traders. They just pump few times amd dumps their coin and run away.

You are correct there are lots of altcoins as of now and  its really confusing to choose a potential one, same as you said almost coins are just  scam coins which is really a waste of money.  Back to the topic trading and investing are just the same i think hence you are putting your own money  on doing trading.
8642  Economy / Economics / Re: How to make 17 BTC out of 7 BTC ? on: September 12, 2016, 05:12:29 AM
Just buy another 10 extra Bitcoin so that you have 17 in total, it is going to be pretty hard to try and earn another 10 Bitcoin for free.
You can also try it with gambling but I do not recommend that.
thats the best way in my opinion, you will definitely not make that much money out of doing something because it would be just too risky

But what if you can't afford buying another 10 bitcoin? There is a saying that no pain no gain. The only way to make it 17 btc from 7 btc is by investing it and taking risks. If you are afraid to lose your 7 bitcoin then try only soms few amounts at first. Amd when you are confident on what you are doing, make your capital bigger and you will earn 17 btc without knowing it.

that is not the only way!
the best way that normal people use is to get a job and work. so you can get a salary that way that you can then buy bitcoin with that salary or part of it.

i agree get a full time job in your place then you can earn a lot it is a stable job than bitcoin. make the bitcoin as a sideline dude.
if you can invest your time you can study how the alt trading works and try to read coin movements if you master this you will able to grow your 7 btc to 17 in due time.
It would be possible  to grow or reach that amount but the  you must accept the risk  because  you wont surely  make  that goal without any problems encountered and also its not really easy to choose a potential altcoin it really depends on your research to a certain coin. Some may be potential but  they pump for long time.
8643  Other / Off-topic / Re: Will you accept bitcoin as your salary? on: September 12, 2016, 05:10:11 AM
I think btc as a salary will be way too risky, most employees could not accept it. The price is still too volatile, and if it crashes people will lose money. I do not think they will take that risk.

i agree to you price are so volatile it cant hit your exact amount of your salary which is it could be to low or to high but if we are talking that it is always too high then it could be nice like now price is rising but i think it is going down again then that could be risky as a employee.

Its really a risky thing especially if  we fully rely on our  monthly salary on our   day job and we have  already a family it would  be really an  disadvantage when we decide  to accept bitcoin as our salary. Same as others said that   the price of bitcoin would really affect  our salary rate. It has advantages and disadvantages though.
8644  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How do you convince people to use Bitcoin? on: September 11, 2016, 02:50:44 PM
A lot of people are already in to the Bitcoin community but bitcoin is not yet known generally to other people. What are the things you usually say when people ask what Bitcoin is?

We generated ten things about Bitcoin that will make people believe and support the cryptocurrency, you can check it out on the link below:

Ten things about Bitcoins that will make you become a believer and supporter


We would like to hear comments and additions from you to help convince beginners or other people to embrace and use the crypto technology.


You can't convince teen/beginner to use bitcoin that fast because they need to figure it out first the things that they want to know like where the bitcoin came from and what bitcoin can do in our life , If you gonna tell them how it works then people believe and will support bitcoin currency too someday.
Well it really depends on their interest if youwould explain them about  bitcoin clearly about  the uses and benefits maybe they would somehow  got interested  it really depends on your approach but there are some people  would surely be confused on what is bitcoin since  its not been known to anyone.
8645  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: What's the heck with YoBit signature campaign ?! on: September 11, 2016, 02:48:35 PM
I don't know why Yobit signature campaign participants always worrying when they can't sent btc to their ballances. This issue happens often, and Yobit everytime resolve it after few days or maximum week. It's not serious problem, just give time for Yobit team to refill their wallet again.
They never care about all of the discussion in yobit signature thread and in they mind just think about getting payment from bot, and if the amount in yobit wallet is empty the bot will automatically disable the sending balance button and I think they need for reading about the previous discussion about that.

Realtalk here, they dont  actually care about  members queries regarding  on their campaigns or even on their site but  one things for sure when we cant withdraw  our  earning on  yobit  then the wallet  is been dried up, at first i do feel shocked with this scenarion but in 2nd time i was already aware that i would really happen.
8646  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: When gambling makes you cry. on: September 11, 2016, 02:46:25 PM
when i win and keep gambling and then end with dust , i got that experience once and now i always withdraw even it is only a little amount of money
This is why gambling is considered to be one of the way of earning money but in a short run since you will lose on the long run.
I don't think I will cry after I lose in playing gambling because I just bet small amount and for me gambling is just a game so why I should have cry because of this. If i lose it is my choice to play and not other people.


You are indeed very good, But I'm not sure that if you do a large amount of bet and lose you don't cry. Because all the people who do want to get gambling profits, so that if you lose you'll surely cry much less you lose in large numbers. Lost is the risk of gambling, so you should also be prepared to receive all the things we do


You would surely cry if you lost 1 btc on single bet then  you  intend to all in you amount for 10btc then you lost for sure you would cry i guess.Any huge amount or any amount that we are hoping to grow then lcu k does not favor you and you lost  then emotion would really make you cry.
8647  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is 1000 btc Possible on: September 11, 2016, 02:43:53 PM
Is it possible to earn 1000 or atleast 100 bitcoins with trading Altcoins.If I buy some bitcoin at cheaper rate today and it's price goes up in future?Which alt you think has potential to make me 1000 btc

In my view, it is difficult to earn 1000 or even 100 bitcoins from altcoin trading, if you have big assets and invest in trading than may be it possible, but also it depend on your skills, if you know very well about altcoin trading, than may be you can earn it, otherwise i realize altcoin trading give us small profit, i never saw anyone to a make big profit from it.
There is no impossible in making money in trading altcoins, depends on your capital because you cannot project a bigger profit with less capital, a trader should be realistic enough in order for him to make the right decision on his investment and reach his goal.

You have a point, its possible on altcoin trading  since  you could eventually  multiply your money in a matter of time and it depend on your invested money. Shall we say you invested on ICO  for 100 btc then the  price when it hits the exchanges  is high then for sure big profits is there. The only  hindrance for us when we  do invest that we are scared to take too much risk on putting huge amounts since 100btc amount is no joke if you  lost it all.
8648  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do Girls also gamble? on: September 11, 2016, 02:41:10 PM
Probably yes, because I saw my mother gambling "majong", "tong-hits", "pusoy", and etc. In my our neighborhood during my mother was here in our country. Also I saw one girl plays fruit gambling in e-games and another girl I chat in fb plays online gambling.

Well I can understand what are those type of gambling games that your mother is playing but maybe there are some members here that are going to
ask what are those tong-hits,pusoy. Pusoy is just like a game like poker simple as that. And yes, there are a lot of women loves to play that game and as well as lucky nine.

i only know mahjong that played by woman when they have a meet in club, and with two games like tong-hits and pusoy, i never heard before, maybe its like traditional gambling game.

Well i guess  i know what country you came from lol. Girls really do play mahjong too much especially those older housewives but i think that its ok because it is for their entertainment the only problem there is that if they get addicted to it.

I commonly heard this terms when you are in the philippines for sure. lol.  Agree they do really play such games  just for entertainment for themselves  hence they are not working and just staying at their house but for me its not  a good habit especially  when your wife  is  always playing with money involve for sure you would get bankrupt
8649  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: how to make money on bitcointalk without campaigns on: September 11, 2016, 02:39:05 PM
My name's Luan, I'm ranked as member and I was banished from YoBit campaign, any other ways to earn money from the forum?

Luan, if any campaign band you than no problem, only need to look what mistake you did, and than join again an other campaign, and do you work properly than of course you can earn good, I want to tell you, you know on any plat-forum here where you can earn free hand bitcoins, only short work is here where you earn very less amount, So stay here and try to earn in this forum it is best to earn the bitcoins.   

You are right there are lots of signature campaigns out there and   not only yobit you could always join  another campaign but first you must realize why are you being kicked from that campaign then realize it and  try to correct it  so that it future you wouldnt be kicked again if you already joined in other campaigns. There are lots of ways to earn bitcoin here  just  try to search.
8650  Economy / Economics / Re: How good are you at managing your money on: September 11, 2016, 02:35:51 PM
I like to think I'm pretty good with managing my money, I've worked in the finance industry for nearly a decade so I've learned quite a bit from other peoples mistakes. Still driving the same beat up car I bought in high school though!

Woah! Amazing! Really you have bought your car from your high school days? I can't even buy a pair of shoes when I was still in college, because I don't have source of income. But as of now, there is a proper source of income that I can be assured of. So I can say that I am good at managing my money by means of securing it daily with banks.

Well we do have  our own  ways on how  we manage our money and  how we manage our lifes. Its not the same after all but having a good management on your money would  really give you a  better  situation or future hence when the time that you would experience scarcity or emergencies  you could always have a saving that  being partitioned or saved previously because you are good on managing  your money and you always put always a part on savings.
8651  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How can I earn money in this forum? on: September 11, 2016, 02:33:11 PM
Signature campaign surely helps a lot of people in this forum earn some money. But you don't have to lock yourself with that, there's a lot of things that you can learn in this forum. For example, you can also do altcoin trading. Go to altcoin boards and there's a lot of people talking about coins. There are some users there who obviously knows what they are doing. You can learn from them by talking to them via PM or just read their insightful posts.

Sure, signature campaign is best to earn money from it, actually mostly member prefer to signature campaigns because it is a easiest way and also free hand way to make money, otherwise as you said, altcoin trading and investment and other more ways, they all are need money if you invest in it, than you will make money. But in signature campaigns we can only make money without any investment.

Signature campaigns and faucets,ptc sites are examples of ways on earning money without any taking risk on putting  out money on your pocket but they do require time and effort to be profitable but i would suggest purely on  signature campaigns compared to faucets and ptc which is a waste of time.
8652  Other / Off-topic / Re: What will you do if you own 21 BTC? on: September 11, 2016, 02:31:01 PM
I will use this to open my own business even if I start small I know that I can also achieve what I wanted to have in the future if I will just do work hard in my own business, once I get it in my life I will never waste time.

Yeah 21 btc is a good amount for starting a real life business and if you sell them when price is high it can be an added advantage, as its always to have real business to get regular income.

I agree with you , i would still prefer a physical business compared on having an online business since we could really handle it. If im given a chance to own that 21 btc i would surely invest it on physical business and would love to see profits coming  into my bank account or pocket. Smiley
8653  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The House always wins. on: September 11, 2016, 02:29:05 PM
The house will always win overall. If you check a popular casinos bank roll every 12 months it's likely they'll never be at a loss at the end of a calander year.

Lucky people can win though but yes, overall the house will never lose in the long run.
House is always a winner in the end of the day, there are a lot of gamblers out there that enters their house and the house is really lucky because they always earn money in the end, imagine if the house has always 1000 gamblers then they bet big amount but lose then only one person win then in the end house always wins.
because logically say that the house owner did not create charity but gambling house so for sure they will win in any how
as many gamblers always hoping that they can win good profits from the house not knowing that in the long run they are
losing because of the house edge and luck will not favor them anymore,.

What you said it correct. No gambling house want to distribute their money to players instead they invested money on site and marketing them to make money from it and in most of the gambling game only luck can bring money to players so house always got a better chance of winning at the end in gambling.

Gambling games are created to ensure that the house will win in the long run. Nobody will create games where the house has no advantage. The house has lots of money while individual players has an limited sum of money. There is an extremely high probability that an individual player will bust his capital before the house loses all their money.
Well this is  reality on gambling sites since its a business and  no owner would established or create  a business without any advantage to its players. If you  intend to play gambling then  you must be ready  on that advantage of house which would really  loss all your money on the long run.

in this business it is all about the overall winning not winning every single time. what i want to say is that the house will be the winner in the end because it is playing against a lot of players but individual players can still win and house still remain the winner overall.
but for smaller sites, they can lose if only a couple of people play there and they get lucky.

Correct, some people may even win but still the house has always the edge and has the profits. Shall we say that all people who losses  on that certain game 1  out of 10  players would only be the winner. The ratio and gap is  too  far which we could really say that  winning  on gambling sites  do have  only a smaller chance.
8654  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to Grow my Bitcoins. on: September 11, 2016, 02:26:29 PM
I think doing signature campaigns  can let you grow your coins but it's indeed  very hard to gain a lot of btcs  with it. On the other point you have to think about the fact that  it is a good way to make  profit if you don't have capital to invest,  but this requires time.

I agree with you but still that is not going to be enough to be able to grow your bitcoins. I would suggest that if ever you have already earnings with signature campaign. You are going to start out trading by it. Because that is the only one way to grow your bitcoins but still that is going to depend on you on how you are going to be good with it.

Yeah that's how most true friends. Because if we only rely on the sign campaign then the income we get far below the standards of our needs and if indeed we want to use the bitcoin as one place to our income, then we should always be looking for ways to fold the duplicate bitcoin as you say IE trading

Diversifying your money would  surely do by a wise man since we would like to earn more. Who does not like to grow  or earn more money? No one.  If we have  decent amount on our signature campaign earnings then we must  think of  new ways on how to  grow or invest it so that we could make another source of income  besides on signature campaign alone.
8655  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: can i start a btc dice site with 30btc? on: September 11, 2016, 02:23:56 PM
I will like to know if i can start up a casino dice site with 30btc including bankroll.
Am looking at a site with a max profit of like 1btc.
If yes, how?
If no, how much btc do I need.
Only reply if u got ideas about this.
No trolls
Yes Bro You Can Start A Bitcoin Dice Website But For Make You Site Popular You Need Very Effective Ways Of Promotion, But If I Have 30 Btc Then I Don't Open a Gambling Website I Put My Money Into Another Project Like I Made An App.....
Well it his decision to make a gambling site but i guess 30 btc wouldnt be enough because those amount would be  only enough for the dice script. hence, there are lot needed also  to make a website and even on how you promote it would  cost you some money for sure. 30 btc is not  enough. Same as you said  if i had that money i wouldnt build  a gambling site rather i would invest it onto trading.

30 btc is little bit enough but he got get those cheap dice script and i think those site using it for now is already down or shall we say didn't got good response, so its much better for him to have a lot of budget to upgrade more things and to have more apealing site to the public and thats why he must add some money unto it so he can get a good site with good security so people could trust to play at his site.

Yes, there are lots of things to consider when you  intend to build a gambling site as you said   it must be presentable to the  potential players if they saw that its a good designed website maybe they would intend to play and also its security it must be prioritize so that  players  would be  confident on putting  up their funds  on your website also on promoting  your website which could really cost you a lot.
8656  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: How Can I Earn Bitcoins? on: September 11, 2016, 02:15:10 PM
Best way to earn bitcoin is by signature campaigns in this forum once you get a high rank. Also you can collect from faucets, ptc sites. Also try collecting altcoins and exchange them to bitcoin. You can also try mining altcoin and then to bitcoin.

I have been doing that other source that you have indicated like PTC sites. As a matter of fact, I am still doing that and there is just a change because I've been both using PTC sites that are paying dollars and now I'm into PTC that pays bitcoin. And I would say that I am just doing it if I have spare time and even not big amount to earn with it, but still good enough to have it rather than having nothing.

Yeah that's right friends, because PTC is one of the things that can make us get $ or bitcoin. But I never thought that the PTC can give us a great advantage and PTC has no advantage in a long period of time.
Ptc and  faucets are  things which are really a waste of time which could only give you very very small amounts and doesnt worth for your time and effort. I would rather find anyway  which is better and give decent rates, thats why i joined in signature campaigns luckily im earning decent amount now.
8657  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: The best cloud mining site !!! on: September 11, 2016, 02:12:10 PM
Almost all cloud mining sites are  ponzi schemes, the one i trust most is  hashnest, but hashnest is very risky for  newbies in trading because the GHs  price can go down really fast.

Hashnest and all cloudmining are just scams they wont really last  long  or even sustain on the  end which  totally end up  of being scammed for sure. Thats why i didnt intend again to invest on cloudmining sites after the incident of  hashocean which is really somewhat a disaster for me.
8658  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: btc2x Error NaN:NaN:NaN on: September 11, 2016, 02:10:11 PM
Hello, I have a disagreement, the first time I paid btc2x.com all investors, and at one time I appear NaN: NaN: NaN and the cause can not be paid from this?



I do experience such situation same as yours thats why i leave on hyips and also i once fooled with doublers since when i was a newbie back then, but as of now   i treat all  hyips and ponzi sites are just scams  on the end. NaN Nan  situation in  btc2x are normal because they are scamming peoples money andthat money wont  given back to you. hehe
8659  Other / Off-topic / Re: What is the Future of Bitcoin ? on: September 11, 2016, 02:06:56 PM
I think that in future bitcoin will be very expensive and people will use it often
Maybe yes or no because bitcoin can up or down nothing can say so until bitcoin is alive many people can earn money w/ bitcoin. So the bitcoin in the future is not sure if gonna good or bad. Because many thing will happen in the maybe bitcoin is gone or stay alive in that year.

No one can predict an exactly right thing about the future of bitcoin or anything but people do these predictions by looking at what are the processes going on right now or what else is going to occur in coming time, so seeing at those things we can predict a good future for bitcoin.
The growth of bitcoins among people is really high. Everyday minimum 50 to 70 members would be joining into this forum as per my predictions. I see so many newbies like me getting into this forum. The value of bitcoins and the benefits of bitcoins have reached every corner. Though the price has gone down a bit and being stable, it has sustained its values. Hope to have a good future. Wish that the price should go up beginning of next year and btc should bring more users.

Bitcoin adoption cannot really be stopped same as you said  it gaining  popularity day by day that pass us by but   it doesnt  even reach on some corners of the world and didnt even heard about bitcoin but  it would surely be adopted someday which would make bitcoin would be sucessful in  upcoming years.
8660  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin worth to you or not... on: September 11, 2016, 02:04:25 PM
As long bitcoin has value its  worth to everyone, allowing people to  hedge against the fiat . So far, it also allows some people  in third world countries to actually help  their micro income  through something  on this forum.

It's true, I'm from a third world country and confirm that. Actually my bitcoin income here on this forum is not micro at all, it's not huge amount but it's nice.
I am in the 3rd world as well and I believe that depends on your needs and I can say that my income online is not enough but it can help somehow for me to enjoy a bit in my life, my income in real job do take care of my family needs and wants so I am thankful with bitcoin.

Same here i do live  on 3rd world countries and   bitcoin do really help me somehow  on having extra income  which added up on my  monthly salary. With this i could somehow save money  more on future  investment and  for emergency purposes. Thats why bitcoin is  important to me.
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