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881  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: (Diskusi) bursa kripto baru di indonesia on: May 28, 2021, 03:53:39 PM
Melansir berita yang baru lewat di timeline media sosial ane, bahwa tahun 2021 ini akan segera rilis bursa kripto yang diusung oleh Bappeti dan Kemendag. Rencana Badan Pengawas Perdagangan Berjangka Komoditi (Bappebti) untuk menghadirkan bursa kripto pertama di Indonesia yang akan diberi nama Digital Futures Exchange (DFX).


Ketika ane mencoba mencari informasinya di forum ternyata sudah ada threadnya dan sepertinya bursa yang dimaksud OP berbeda dengan yang diberitakan. Sehubungan dengan minimnya pengetahuan ane, yang menjadi beberapa pertanyaan apakah dengan hadirnya bursa resmi dari pemerintah maka akan ada banyak perubahan peraturan terkait transaksi diluar bursa tersebut? Apakah nanti DFX ini berjalan seperti BEI ? lalu bagaimana nasib exchanger lokal lainnya?
Cmiiw,

https://www.cnbcindonesia.com/tech/20210528124828-37-249024/halo-halo-bentar-lagi-ada-bursa-kripto-di-ri-lho
882  Economy / Economics / Re: Covid virus 2021 on: May 28, 2021, 02:33:40 PM
The news that I have just seen regarding Covid is that Biden is continuing to investigate the causes of the beginning of this pandemic after finding evidence that scientists from Wuhan's laboratory were sick before the pandemic hit the world.  This reinforces the reason that this pandemic is indeed due to a leak in the Wuhan's laboratory.  Hopefully this can provide a clear answer to why the world is suffering and can provide a solution to this worsening condition.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57260009.amp
883  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Kelebihan dan Kekurangan Investasi Crypto on: May 27, 2021, 03:34:39 PM

Ya memang tidak mudah ngasilin cuan yg ROI-nya gede kek gitu, apalagi kalau dengan trading karena zero sum yang artinya keuntungan agan berasal dari kerugian orang lain, dan lebih banyak orang yang rugi daripada orang yang untung. Influencer itu kebanyakan paid shill, dibayar proyek atau koin tertentu untuk promosi "menang mudah." Ya balik lagi prinsip duit ga bisa beranak/berbuah duit kalo tidak ada kerja. Kalo untung berarti datangnya dari kerugian/duit orang lain.

Zero sum apakah ini bisa disama artikan seperti judi,om? Trading crypto adalah judi? Atau semua trading juga perjudian walau itu saham? Karena melihat pendapat para orang kaya yang tidak pro pada crypto akan terus menyebut crypto hanya seperti judi. Terkadang heran juga apakah mereka tidak tertarik dengan keuntungan yang paling tinggi dari semua jenis investasi yang ada.  
884  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [DISKUSI] Harga Bitcoin on: May 27, 2021, 03:16:53 PM
apa ada pernyataan saya yang mendiskriminasikan level dan kelas masyarakat?.

Kalau sudah tabungan artinya sudah dingin, panas di sini bisa gaji atau penghasilan tuk makan sehari-hari, tentu kalau harga drop akan bingung kalau nahan, soalnya duitnya mo segera dipake.


Kalau begini sepertinya ane yang salah persepsi om. Tetapi, tabungan kalo tbtb nilainya tinggal 50% juga akan sangat mengkhawatirkan. Tapi itusih pandangan ane. Karena kalo sudah rugi 50%, ane harus bener giat mantengin lilin untuk bisa naik 100% hanya demi BEP. Sepertinya itu tidak semudah yang dibayangkan.
885  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: May 27, 2021, 01:51:21 PM
It is very unfortunate that Zidane's departure from Real Madrid.  I was very sure Zidane would not last long with this team since last season.  However, currently the most powerful reason for Zidane not to coach this team is because of the words of the President of Madrid, who did not wear it, especially since Madrid is only able to win second place in La Liga.  Allegri, who is expected to become Zidane's successor, has already been selected by Juventus.  Who else will be chosen to replace this legendary.
886  Economy / Economics / Re: The Central Digital currencies will make monetary policy more difficult on: May 26, 2021, 04:07:27 PM
I am still very confused about what form of CBDC they will release.  All central banks in the world agree to jointly create CBDCs for each country.  Until now, my country has also prepared it with various researches.  It is lagging behind China but it looks like this is a serious agenda they are working on.  So big is the impact of crypto that they are bothered by new technologies in the economy that they are not considered important in the process.  They keep saying crypto is very dangerous because of the bubble it will continue to experience.
887  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is someone worried about the recent decline of BTC? on: May 26, 2021, 03:10:47 PM
The best thing to do and you have done. Once you are able to confirm a reversal to a market uptrend, I believe we need to buy back in. I bought some BNB again 2 days ago as one of my major assets in my portfolio once I noticed it is good to buyback at that price


once I see that we are back upward in the market.


For someone who buy at FOMO, this recent decline will be warning for them. For traders in short term, they have to prepare their self to maintain the risk but for investor in long term, this is nothing for them. They just prepare to do buy the dip for average down strategy. According to me, you are one of the long term investor. BNB is one of the best asset now to hold for long term, another asset that should keep for long term is the common coin BTC, ETH, ADA.
888  Economy / Economics / Re: Crypto vs Stocks on: May 26, 2021, 02:21:43 PM
What you say is absolutely on point. Forex trading is as much as gamble as you can get in the market. You could argue just the way as you can argue for or against crypto: there is no underlying asset. Sure you can take the economy but how often do we hear from someone who got burnt trading forex? Just a wrong analysis? Or maybe more luck involved that anticipated? It is as you said and while the USD or CHF is no invention or any improvement to existing systems, BTC is.

Yup, thats so obvious. Forex is a zero sum game which means every profit that we got come from loss another traders. This is really a gamble for me although the forex trader said it isn't a gamble because there's CoT. Meanwhile, Crypto isn't similar like forex, there's a burn coin and the value can be up throughout the supply and the demand.
889  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2020/2021 on: May 26, 2021, 01:19:10 PM
Madrid will rather sign Haaland or Mbappe not Kane, the former had age on their sides and will  be groom into the team for a long term perpective, while the former though is 27 years had experience however age is not on his side, Karem Benzema was signed at the age of 21 years in 2009 got  established as a profilic by scoring many goals and became a force to reckon with in laliga, Madrid might choose the same path by signing Mbappe whom I prefer due to his pace and sharpness on goal.
Kane is 28 and is not young enough. Real Madrid will not spend an excessive fund for Kane. The failure with Eden Hazard will make them more careful with big transfers for 27-28 years old players.

Haaland and Mbappe will be better for them. They can contribute many seasons for Real Madrid and they even are in top levels, they still will be able to improve their ability more. They succeeded with Benzama and they will want to have another one with Hand or Mbappe.

Kane does not want to leave Premier League too. He want to play there and break there record of Alan Shearer.
Yup, I think so. Kane is not young enough for Madrid even clubs in Spain are also experiencing financial difficulties.  The price offered for Kane is also not quite affordable.  Daniel could not possibly let go of his best striker easily.  So far, only 3 English clubs have the chance to own him with a contract that expires in 2024.
890  Economy / Economics / Re: Crypto vs Stocks on: May 25, 2021, 05:29:12 PM
While these old shitbags chasing for 5% annual returns, crypto people are driving lambos and flying jets. Remember, you only live once. Why waste your time on boring investments? It doesn't make a bit of sense. As you said there are many legit projects that return %5 daily profits. As long as you don't invest in proven scams, you should be safe financially.

These old shitbags generalize all of cryptos as gamble and not as new invention for investation. The common reason why they call crypto as gamble because there is no underlying aset. But when they invest in forex, they never called it as gamble too. Sometimes I doubt why they think like that, they are just jealous with the achievement of this new tech.
891  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2020/2021 on: May 25, 2021, 04:52:28 PM
I think have many option for Kane to get new club like Manchester City to replace with Aguero and Real Madrid have interested with Harry Kane, but Tottenham will make with expensive price for Harry Kane.
As far as I understand, if Tottenham sells Kane, then it will be a price in excess of 100 million. For this money they will be able to afford four very promising young players, and I think it is much better than having one player, (even if he is the best player in England and the captain of the national team). Btw, judging by the interviews, Kane himself is not against moving from Tottenham to another club, but one way or another he wants to stay in England.

I ever read that Daniel Levy this season want to sell Kane for 150 M Pound. Although, Daniel has decided to sell him but that is not easy for Man United, City or Chelsea to get Kane for their team. Jamie Carragher has said that  Kane the best striker that really needed to join with one of those team. In fact, Daniel didnt want to sell him because Kane is the biggest asset for Tottenham, thats why the price really made the City, United or Chelsea become poor.
892  Economy / Economics / Re: MicroStrategy mua 250 triệu đô la Bitcoin, điện tử là 'vượt trội so với tiền mặt' on: May 25, 2021, 04:03:56 PM

 MSTR is a bit of a unique beast in terms of mostly being controlled by Saylor and Saylor pretty clearly and unambiguously that he does not consider bitcoin as a kind of thing that you fuck around with in terms of trading - so he has clearly and unambiguously stated that he is "in" bitcoin for the longrun, and he has backed that up with rationale and various sound money talking points - so he really seems to be quite an exception in terms of not ONLY getting what bitcoin is about, being well able to articulate what bitcoin is about and largely putting his money where his mouth is.
According to me, the reason why Saylor is really serious to invest for longterm because he has a lot of money and the trend of Bitcoin for longterm is profitable. Bitcoin is one of the best invention tech in financial and economic. For several century that we have passed from barter to crypto, this showed us the development of financial era. Saylor realised and consider that really interesting to support Bitcoin as part of society. His age is 56 years old, half of the Warren Buffet's age so it's normal if their thought about Bitcoin is really different because age showed us how the way we think. Talk about if someday Saylor will change his mind and be hypocrite, as far as we run together in crypto he always supports us to fight the fud. Thats enough.
893  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why is it so bad that Elon and Saylor are talking with miners about clean energy on: May 25, 2021, 02:49:44 PM
The first time I read Saylor's tweet about his discussion with Elon and a North American bitcoin miner on the issue of mining energy, I immediately thought in my head that Saylor cared about Elon's comments and immediately started a meeting with them to fight the fud that was going on.  I salute Saylor for being structured in giving her opinion in the media.  He is currently very much awaited by the news regarding his views on the ownership of BTC which is 2.5 B USD.  Perhaps without any response Saylor the market will continue to dump below its 36K USD support point.  Every day in the money market the loss is 100-300 B USD, and when compared to the market capital about 10-20% is lost, so it's natural that the market reaction is still bearish.
894  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2020/2021 on: May 24, 2021, 03:28:07 PM
Like I said weeks ago I had no doubts about your Liverpool reaching Champions League next year. The last games showed some astonishing performances and therefore the only possible outcome was reaching CL.
Now it's time to settle for the future and become competitive again because given CL final this year, English football it's getting better and better!
Incredible because Liverpool managed to reach the target to enter the Champions League next season. Before I had doubts they would be in the top 4 at the end of the season, but in the end things changed so fast and they took the opportunity well. The four team representing the EPL in the Champions League next season are big teams and will be very competitive. I think you are right, the English team in the Champions League are getting better.

Not only do we doubt Liverpool are able to catch up with them and will lose their last ticket to CL but even their own coach has nothing else to say for his team.  Klopp has openly expressed his disappointment with his team in the media.  This is enough to make me doubt more, this team will reach 4th place. However, the team is trying to do better after the many negative comments that have been received due to their decline in performance.  Currently, Liverpool have shown their team's hard work which must be appreciated by many.
895  Economy / Economics / Re: Crypto vs Stocks on: May 24, 2021, 02:31:47 PM
I agree dude that was a bit out of line. However these fucks are trying to kill bitcoin. Stonkz are dead weight. Why would anybody invest in stonkz I don't get it especially when you are young. I'd rather invest in doge than investing in stonkz.

Reliable&Stable = Not fun.

Crypto will exterminate the legacy banking and the stonkz market anyway. Bitcoin is inevitable.


I couldn't agree more.  When I were still in college, the lecturer was very strong in saying that legitimate is an investment with the highest risk and those with small capital will not get rich by investing in stocks.  Regarding this, I thought back and laughed a little, that at this time I felt that stocks were not comparable to crypto when it came to risk.  Stocks also can't make you rich in my opinion is the right thing because per day, you can only get 2-5% profit per day.  If you look at crypto, per day you can get 10% profit if you choose the right coin.  It's much more interesting to master.  It is like, when you can tame a lion, even if you don't worry about skinning a tiger anymore.
896  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [DISKUSI] Harga Bitcoin on: May 24, 2021, 01:13:53 PM
Apa masih tetap dengan strategi hold? Belum 24 jam saja, market cap cripto hilang ratusan milyar USD.
Kalau belinya pake uang panas alias uang pakean sehari-hari memang bikin keringat dingin. Untuk itulah sering diwanti-wanti agar memakai uang dingin agar tidak panik kalau harga drop begini.

Jika uang panas yang om maksud adalah bagian dari tabungan untuk kebutuhan hidup, maka kalimat om mendiskriminasi masyarakat menengah ke bawah yang hanya bisa invest dari uang panas seperti itu. Karena ane sendiri juga invest untuk memutus mata rantai kemiskinan itu, mencoba peruntungan baru. Tapi ya bener sih om, jika kita punya uang dingin dan berinvestasi turun berapapun ga akan terlalu dipikirkkan.
897  Economy / Economics / Re: MicroStrategy Buys $250M in Bitcoin, Calling the Crypto ‘Superior to Cash’ on: May 23, 2021, 03:54:47 PM

Eventually, MSRT one day will sell (part of) their bitcoin, it's inevitable, the important thing is not creating (temporary) imbalances.

It is inevitable that there will be times when MSTR will sell the BTC they have held.  So far what I have seen from the spreadsheet that you have created, they have bought BTC for an average price of 24,450 USD and per price of 37k alone they have achieved an unrealized gain of 1 T USD.  The estimated time for them to sell their BTC is when their portfolio is losing.  Because if they lose just 1%, then they have lost 25 M USD.  It's not a small amount, but the good side is why they hold on because what investment can generate 1 T USD in just 1 year if not BTC.
898  Economy / Economics / Re: Understanding a bear market. on: May 23, 2021, 02:12:53 PM
Dude, we not in a Bear market.. we are being sabotaged by a group of Chinese with a vengeance against one of their rival Whales. Also a Chinese government with a hidden agenda, namely to sabotage all other Crypto currencies.. in favor of the "soon to be released" Yuan coin.

This was a strategic move from the Chinese government and a couple of whales to seriously damage Bitcoin's price. I hope the people who are buying those coins that was dumped by these people, will hold onto them ...to keep them out of the people's hands that wants to manipulate Bitcoin's price.  Angry Angry

Whatever the reasons for this stimulant decline in price will still be called Bearish.  The beginning of the word Bearish was used because a bear (bear), will attack using its paws with a movement from top to bottom, describing market conditions when there are many sales which make the market decline or weaken, aka bearish.  So that in recent weeks the crypto market has indeed been in a bearish situation which is quite unsettling for investors who have bought at the top of the price.  Market cap alone in 24 hours has lost 200 B USD.  This will happen long enough for those who can not stand it will definitely cutloss soon.
899  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [DISKUSI] Harga Bitcoin on: May 23, 2021, 01:32:11 PM
Portofolio saya yang 70% adalah BTC rontok tak terkira. Pikiran yang kalut  rasanya sangat ingin cl segera. Namun, hati sangat menyayangkan aset yang tersisa. Bagaimana pun, logika saya melihat pasar yang bearish ini sungguh tak sanggup. EM efek luar biasa dalam mengambil keuntungan pribadi. Tapi ini lah dampak dari hype yang terlalu memaksakan, karena saat ini yang paling banyak pamer kripto adalah mereka yang selalu menganggap kripto adalah ladang cuan. Jika seperti ini, aku yakin mereka semua bakalan kabur segera. Melihat candle yang belum ada tanda recovery, perkiraan ku bahkan lebih buruk. Harga bisa kembali ke 20K USD.
Sehat gan? Baru koreksi sedikit sudah jadi puitis. Yang ATH ~$20k 2017/2018 bisa koreksi sampai ~$3.5k, kalo sekarang ~$60k ATH ya bisa sampai ~$10.5k kalau pakai rumus sederhana $3.5k x 3.

Sedikit sikap mental positif: kalau jangka panjang trennya BTC masih terus naik. Coba liat chart pakai log.



Kalau penerawangan ane keknya gambarnya ga cocok kalo naik ke $100k, lebih cocok turun ke $20k.

Bener om, jika diukur berdasarkan pandangan jangka panjang maka trend tetap positif. Tapi ane yang baru invest lagi dari 2020 sudah cukup dalam terkoreksi. Mental positif boleh tapi kalo jadi ampas mau bilang apa. Apa masih tetap dengan strategi hold? Belum 24 jam saja, market cap cripto hilang ratusan milyar USD. Bukan jumlah uang kecil untuk pasar, bahkan untuk rebound butuh para whales untuk belanja di harga diskon seperti ini. Ya per hari ini saja 286 B USD hilang, dan per harinya ada ratusan yang hilang sejak seminggu ini. Bukankan untuk yang traders jangka pendek ini salah satu peringatan ? Bukan begitu om? CMIIW
900  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Oh, market manipulation is finally bad now? on: May 22, 2021, 03:27:07 PM
Yes it is decreasing day by day... You need to wait for it .. because in the long term it will help you Alot ... So don't be sad just wait for few months and then it will rise again....

I think that today Bitcoin and other crypto will rise again, as long as I see the market cap for the market. There are at least 30B USD has entered the market. It means that recovery has been end for this money support of whales. They really wait for this ocasion, because they can buy at the dip and sell at the top then get the profit.
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