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881  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] Red Star Mining - 180(GH/s) on: April 24, 2013, 05:11:34 PM
What are investors ideas on selling our first pre-ordered SC for >BTC160.00.  Then we could pre-order another ten SC's and we'd still have two pre-orders from last summer coming.  Taking our hash rate to be delivered from 180(GH/s) to 680(GH/s).  With each share raising from 2.691991326(MH/s)per share to 10.169745009(MH/s)per share of pre-ordered ASIC's.  I've seen pre-order #1799 being offered for BTC190.00 and our first pre-order is within one-thousand of that.  Or should we hold out for our early pre-order.  As both ways have there advantages.
882  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: FinCen preparing to prosectute some Bitcoin users on: April 24, 2013, 04:43:40 PM
Well, you do have to pay capital gains taxes.

Yeah if anything it will be over this and possibly Pirate@40.
883  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: PayPal president interested in bitcoin on: April 24, 2013, 03:59:46 PM
Soon Paypal or Western Union will buy MtGox, mark my words.

Yeah I've read Western Union and MoneyGram are looking at trying to adopt bitcoin soon also.  Maybe running a fiat exchange with such tight banking laws as in the UK and US could only be done by major international corporations and not small outfits.  As currently there is no exchanges in the UK any more and with US ones being shut down.  They could corner the market for buying/selling bitcoins centrally.  The sizes of these companies means they have very large legal departments and can fight there way through all the proceeder's.  If any one of those three companies moved into buy and selling bitcoin internationally this could be what makes bitcoin enter the mainstream.  Plus with the high fees they charge it would help bitcoin in OTC buying and selling market.  
884  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Paypal president says they are considering bitcoin... on: April 24, 2013, 03:30:12 PM
Yeah I've read Western Union and MoneyGram are looking at trying to adopt bitcoin soon also.  Maybe running a fiat exchange with such tight banking laws as in the UK and US could only be done by major international corporations and not small outfits.  As currently there is no exchanges in the UK any more and with US ones being shut down.  They could corner the market for buying/selling bitcoins centrally.  The sizes of these companies means they have very large legal departments and fight there way through all the proceeder's.  If anyone of those three companies moved into buy and selling bitcoin internationally this could be what makes bitcoin enter the mainstream.  Plus with the high fees they charge it would help bitcoin in OTC buying and selling market.   
885  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The UK Public & Bitcoin on: April 23, 2013, 11:19:00 PM
The UK banking system is dying. Recently frequent service outages, nationalised Mega banks, actually had the first bank runs in the West for decades in UK. All the money printing, suspension of rule of law for banksters, now over-regulation of the customers not the bankers and you have a recipe for a complete lock-up.

I'm not sympathetic really, since it is the City of London that has housed and fostered the worst of the criminal, crooked, greedy, corrupt and incompetent banking practices that have been exported all over the West, Wall St. is branch of the City of London in many ways. Blowback is a bitch.

Physician heal thyself.

Bank of Dave - http://www.burnleysavingsandloans.co.uk/about-us/
886  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The UK Public & Bitcoin on: April 23, 2013, 08:06:29 PM
I was trading OTC through my HSBC account until I had received a stolen payment through no fault of my own.  They very nearly shut my account and banned me from using my account for buying or selling bitcoin.  Plus they said they would be monitoring my account for signs of bitcoin trading and if they found any that they would shut my account down immediately. 
887  Other / Off-topic / Re: Send people to live on Mars donate with bitcoin on: April 23, 2013, 03:05:17 PM
The project has a league table of different countries total donations.  As there accepting bitcoin donations I think we should pressurize them into putting total bitcoin donations into the league table.  I have already tweeted them about but received no reply. 
888  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: They scoff at the name MTGox? on: April 22, 2013, 11:40:10 PM
The term hacker originally means someone who hacks at their keyboard to solve computer problem.  A step above code-monkey.  The people the press now refer to as hackers would have previously been known as crackers.  As in password crackers for example.
889  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The UK Public & Bitcoin on: April 22, 2013, 06:54:56 PM
IIRC Max Kieser said he's trying to build a new London exchange.

Seem to recall this also, has there been any news regarding any other possible uk exchanges that may be on the horizon?

Not that I've heard of.  Which is a shame as an exchange with access to free and instant UK internet banking transfers would have a lot of business.
890  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to fix the exchanges - a professional view. on: April 22, 2013, 06:41:46 PM


3. Create a minimum trading size, the tiny bot trades of $1 are swamping the system and add nothing.



This would definitely be a good start...



Good points, but the ultimate solution is a decentralized exchange period. 

Trying to build on the wrong foundation is simply building a robust house on sand.  It's only a matter of time before its central point of attack is overwhelemend.

...decentralization is the only solution.
+1

I don't understand the obsession with decentralization. It might be useful but there are many successful financial exchanges that are centralized.

Well they're none in the UK any more when we used to have access to both Intersango and MtGox Barclay's.  Both were forced to shut for banking reasons.  Buying bitcoins in the UK is both expensive and difficult for smaller transactions or new buyers.
891  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Electrum - Bitcoin client for the common users (friendly and instant) on: April 21, 2013, 08:25:35 PM
Got the coins back  Grin with help.  F@#*ing dyslexia!
892  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Electrum - Bitcoin client for the common users (friendly and instant) on: April 21, 2013, 03:43:39 PM
I've uploaded the list of words used for you here.

Thanks, I've been through the list and one seed does have one word wrong and for the other seed all the words are on the list but I still get the error "Cannot decode this".  If I can find someone trustworthy to help me regain both the wallets I'd like to pay towards a  VPS to run Electrum over I2p using the new bitcoin I2p patch.  As well as offering electrum over Tor as well if possible on a the same VPS.  With a basic instructions on using it added to the electrum how-to.  I can't do that but I'd pay BTC2.50 for each seed recovered towards a VPS.  Or donate BTC2.50 for each seed recovered towards Electrum devolpment or a/the dev(s)/'s coffee bill.
893  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Electrum - Bitcoin client for the common users (friendly and instant) on: April 21, 2013, 12:34:18 PM
Both of the seeds to my two offline wallets don't work.  There's nearly BTC50.00 between them have I really copied both seeds wrong?  I just went to check them today and move them and both seeds don't work.  I've used electrum before by seed in just writing them down and it always worked.  Am I doing something wrong or have I lost BTC50.00  Cry

Explain the steps you follow that don't work, it used to work for you the same way?

I'm entering twelve correctly spelt words that I had wrote down and printed off for both wallets and I'm getting the message "Can not decode this".  Does anyone know how I access the electrum dictionary on Xubuntu.  So I can check the words off.
894  Other / Off-topic / Re: Send people to live on Mars donate with bitcoin on: April 20, 2013, 09:51:26 PM
I think it can definitely be done if not attempted.  How long the colonisers will live tho is another story.  Just like the majority of early English and Scottish (plus maybe Norse) colonies in the Americas they all failed and everyone died.  We do need to live on Mars but with current technology it'd be very harsh indeed tho we need to start somewhere.  Just like the early colonies in the Americas from Europeans even if that means almost a century of deadly failure we have to start.
895  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Electrum - Bitcoin client for the common users (friendly and instant) on: April 20, 2013, 09:29:28 PM
Both of the seeds to my two offline wallets don't work.  There's nearly BTC50.00 between them have I really copied both seeds wrong?  I just went to check them today and move them and both seeds don't work.  I've used electrum before by seed in just writing them down and it always worked.  Am I doing something wrong or have I lost BTC50.00  Cry
896  Other / Off-topic / Re: Send people to live on Mars donate with bitcoin on: April 20, 2013, 07:49:37 PM
Manned space exploration enthusiasm is basically delusional.

OK, when the next dinosaur killer hits, I'll be waving at you from my dome on Ceres.

Then we'll see who has the more hostile living environment. Wink

As Stephen Hawkins said humanity has less than 1,000 years to get off the earth before its wiped out. 

One of the problems I have with the concept of living on mars is the fact that it only has 38% the gravity of earth. How could we manage that without artificial gravity? Even astronauts living on the ISS have all sorts of health problems from just spending a few months up there. In space centrifugal force works, but what about on the planet's surface?

That is why its a one way trip as the ones that go can never return to the earth.  So when are they planning on babies on Mars or terraforming?
897  Other / Off-topic / Re: Send people to live on Mars donate with bitcoin on: April 19, 2013, 09:38:59 PM
It'll be the asteroids that save us, they're filled with the stuff we need, we just need to get people with the balls to gather them.

It'll be the asteroids that wipe the gold markets out one day maybe!  Tho people are needed on Mars more, whether they can really get it going within ten years tho? 
898  Other / Off-topic / Re: Send people to live on Mars donate with bitcoin on: April 19, 2013, 09:28:05 PM
Yeah I'm sceptical about these kind of operations too, let me tell you, if I were aiming for space, I'd go for the asteroids filled with lots of precious metals first and use that to expand, nevermind they're asking for donations, just pissing away money to get to somewhere far away we're not quite sure about yet is incredibly short sighted.

I actually think that the millionaires who are funding the corporate space missions to grab asteroids are doing it right even if they are just doing it to get rich short term.

From what I've read they equate it to the funding the Olympics gets.  In that they can sell the rights to the project.  Although in my opinion they should be making the whole process opensource to even attract any funding at all at this stage.  So that if they fail any blueprints are left in place.  They talk about landing the first colonizers within ten years on Mars.  That is a high bar to meet and a I question their safety requirements but I admire the quest.  As Stephen Hawkins quoted in that we've got less than 1,000 years to get humanity off the earth.  Before a mega-virus can wipe us all out?
899  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The UK Public & Bitcoin on: April 18, 2013, 07:13:01 PM
Supposing a UK based exchange did manage to satisfy the banks and regulatory agencies that it was in compliance with all the relevant legislation, would anyone actually use it?

The Money Laundering / Terrorism / Payment Services regulations would seem to suggest that a compliant UK exchange would look something like this ...

Registration would involve:
- Sending a certified copy of Passport / Driving Licence (that is, a copy signed by e.g. an accountant / notary / bank manager).
- And a certified copy of a recent bank statement (not an online one!).
- Entering your address history for the last three years.
- Consenting to a credit check / electoral roll search.
- Waiting for a secret code to arrive by post and entering that to verify current address.

There would be no ability to send or receive bitcoins other than to/from a single bitcoin address you control. Changing that bitcoin address would probably require a lengthy process involving sending documents by post.

Deposits and withdrawals would involve paying a 1% fee to cover bank charges (faster payments aren't free for businesses). They would only be possible to/from your verified bank account (which must be in your name).


Do you think registering for a UK compliant exchange would require significantly more effort than say getting a verified Paypal account? Though I suppose it may depend on the size of the funds the customers need to move around.

There are a fair few business bank accounts that offer free FPS transfers - Barclays for one.

I think its about time someone made the effort to start a legit exchange in the UK that complies with the regulations and doesn't get its accounts shut down!


IIRC Max Kieser said he's trying to build a new London exchange.
900  Other / Off-topic / Send people to live on Mars donate with bitcoin on: April 17, 2013, 04:00:29 PM
http://mars-one.com/en/donate

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22146456

Applicants wanted for a one-way ticket to Mars



Want to go to Mars? Dutch organisation Mars One says it will open applications imminently. It would be a one-way trip, and the company hopes to build a community of settlers on the planet.

Uncharted waters, mountains or far away lands have always drawn explorers. History books show that desire for adventure, even in the face of extreme danger, did not deter the likes of Columbus or Magellan.

So it is perhaps not surprising that Mars One has already received thousands of prospective applicants. But there is no return - unlike the mission which hopes to fly to Mars and back in 2018.

Future explorers take note. Applicants must be resilient, adaptable, resourceful and must work well within a team. The whole project will be televised, from the reality TV style selection process, to landing and beyond.

On a visit to the BBC's London office, Mars One's co-founder Bas Lansdorp explains why this would be a one-way flight.

During the seven-to-eight month journey, astronauts will lose bone and muscle mass. After spending time on Mars' much weaker gravitational field, it would be almost impossible to readjust back to Earth's much stronger gravity, says Landsorp.

Successful applicants will be trained physically and psychologically. The team will use existing technology for all aspects of the project. Energy will be generated from solar panels, water will be recycled and extracted from soil and the astronauts will grow their own food - they will also have an emergency ration and regular top-ups as new explorers join every two years.

Solar wind
But is it realistic to believe that individuals could live and prosper on the Red Planet?

Mars is in the firing line of the Sun's high energy particles, called solar wind. The atmosphere of Mars is very thin as the solar wind is thought to have stripped much of it away.

On Earth, we are protected from the solar wind by a strong magnetic field. Without this, it would be much more difficult to survive. Although Mars once had similar protection about four billion years ago, today there is no such shield protecting it.

The Martian surface is therefore extremely hostile to life, says Dr Veronica Bray, from the University of Arizona's Lunar and Planetary Laboratory, who is sceptical about the project.

There's no liquid water, the atmospheric pressure is "practically a vacuum", radiation levels are higher and temperatures vary wildly, she says.

"Radiation exposure is a concern, especially during the trip. This can lead to increased cancer risk, a lowered immune system and possibly infertility."

To minimise radiation, the project team will cover the domes with several metres of soil, which the colonists will have to dig up.

"I have no doubt that we could physically place a human being on Mars. Whether they'd be able to survive for an extended period of time is much more doubtful," adds Dr Bray.

Ambassador for the project, Professor Gerard 't Hooft, a recipient of the Nobel Prize for theoretical physics in 1999, admits there are unknown health risks. He says the radiation is "of quite a different nature" than anything which has been tested on Earth.

Technical challenge

"They [the applicants] will be told that there are risks, but it will be our responsibility to keep the risks within acceptable odds."

Nasa astronaut Stan Love knows first-hand the difficulties with technology that his colleagues have experienced on the International Space Station in low-Earth orbit.

The apparatus which recycles human waste and turns "yesterday's coffee into into tomorrow's coffee needs frequent maintenance and would likely not survive years of continuous duty on Mars", he says.

Love has recently returned from Antarctica which he says is a "picnic compared to Mars".

"It's full of water, you can go outside and breathe the air. It's paradise compared to Mars and yet nobody has moved there permanently."

Although dubious about the funding, the technology and the impact of radiation, Love applauds small enterprises like Mars One.

He strongly believes private organisations will help raise awareness and hopefully discover or design some technology which will help future teams reach their goal of landing on Mars.

"We've been dreaming about this for 50 years. The Moon was just supposed to be a stepping stone to Mars. But when you study the problem, you realise it's immensely hard to do this."

Many critics have focused on funding, and whether the project would hold the public's attention for many years. It will cost an estimated £3.8bn ($6bn) to send the first group.

Dr Chris Lintott from Oxford University says that while the project is technologically plausible, he does not think they will find the funding.

"It's about having the political will and the financial muscle to make this happen. That's what nobody has been able to solve so far," he explains.

But Lansdorp sees no issue with funding. He uses the revenue from the worldwide broadcasting rights of the Olympics as a comparison.

"This will be the biggest thing that humanity has ever done. In 15 years people will still be watching.

"Exploring our world, and now beyond is what humans do, it's in our genome. The settlers' dream of going to Mars will come true."

Whether or not the mission will achieve its goal, the publicity generated from the "big-brother" style televised application process means the world will surely be watching.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22146456

You can donate from $0.50 USD of bitcoin minimum using Bitpay - http://mars-one.com/en/donate

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http://mars-one.com/en/mission/mankind-on-mars

Humankind on Mars

Say someone were to tell you: we are going to build a human settlement on Mars. After you have laughed a bit, only to be met with a serious face, you might ask:

How is this possible?
Will the astronauts come back?
How will the astronauts prepare for a life on Mars?
What will the journey from Earth to Mars be like?
What will it be like to live on Mars?

Emigration to Mars

A one way trip has obvious technical advantages, but what does this mean for the astronauts themselves? That depends on who you ask. You could say that most people would rather lose a leg than live the rest of their life on a cold, hostile planet, having said goodbye to friends and family forever, the best possible video call suffering from a seven minute delay—one way.

However, there are individuals for whom traveling to Mars has been a dream for their entire life. They relish the challenge. Not unlike the ancient Chinese, Micronesians, and untold Africans, the Vikings and famed explorers of Old World Europe, who left everything behind to spend the majority of their lives at sea, a one-way mission to Mars is about exploring a new world and the opportunity to conduct the most revolutionary research ever conceived, to build a new home for humans on another planet.

Mars One will offer everyone who dreams the way the ancient explorers dreamed the opportunity to apply for a position in a Mars One Mission. Are you one for whom this is a dream?

Years of Training

Before they leave the Earth’s atmosphere to travel to Mars, each astronaut will be put through the required eight years of training. They will be isolated from the world for a few months every two years in groups of four in simulation facilities, to learn how they respond to living in close quarters while isolated from all humans except for the three crew members. In addition to the expertise and work experience they must already possess, they have to learn quite a few new skills: physical and electrical repairs to the settlement structures, cultivating crops in confined spaces, and addressing both routine and serious medical issues such as dental upkeep, muscle tears and bone fractures.

The Journey to Mars

The flight will take between seven to eight months (depending upon the relative positions of the Earth and Mars). The astronauts will spend those seven months together in a very small space—much smaller than the home base at the settlement on Mars—devoid of luxury or frills. This will not be easy. Showering with water will not be an option. Instead the astronauts make do with wet towelettes (wet wipes) as used by astronauts on the International Space Station.

Freeze dried and canned food is the only option. There will be constant noise from the ventilators, computer and life support systems, and a regimented routine of 3 hours daily exercise in order to maintain muscle mass. If the astronauts are hit by a solar storm, they must take refuge in the even smaller, sheltered area of the rocket which provides the best protection, for up to several days.

The journey will be arduous, pressing each of them to the very limits of their training and personal capacity. But the astronauts will endure because this will be the flight carrying them to their dream.

Life on Mars

Once they arrive on Mars, the astronauts will begin making use of their relatively spacious living units; over 50 m2 per person, and a total of more than 200 m2 combined interior space.

Within the settlement are inflatable components which contain bedrooms, working areas, a living room and a 'plant production unit', where they will grow greenery. They will also be able to shower as normal, prepare fresh food (that they themselves grew and harvested) in the kitchen, wear regular clothes, and, in essence, lead typical day-to-day lives.

If the astronauts leave the settlement, they have to wear a Mars Suit. However, all living spaces are connected by passageways, in order for the astronauts to move freely from one end of the settlement to the other. As the rovers have done much of the heavy construction prior to their arrival, it will not take the astronauts a long time to find routine in their new life, moving into carrying out valuable construction works and research.

Construction & Research

Several new components will be delivered to Mars while the first group of four astronauts are settled. In preparation of the arrival of the second group of four astronauts, the components will include a second living unit and a second life support unit. With use of the rovers, the astronauts will connect these units to the main base. When this task has been performed, the first crew has prepared the settlement for the arrival of additional astronauts, and, in the meantime, the astronauts will enjoy more room for themselves and extra security as the duplicate living environments provide back-up life support systems.

When the second crew of astronauts lands, the first crew will have already applied technology and physical labor to the construction of additional living and working spaces, using local materials. Mars One is working on concepts, such as the inclusion of tunnels and domes made from compressed Martian soil, which may be able to hold a breathable atmosphere for the astronauts to live in.

There will be a great deal of research conducted on Mars. The astronauts will research how their bodies respond and change when living in a 38% gravitational field, and how food crops and other plants grow in hydroponic plant production units. Research will include extra-settlement exploration to learn about the ancient and current geology on Mars. Of course, much research will be dedicated to the determination if life was once present or now exists on Mars.

Reports from Mars

The astronauts will not only submit routine reports, but will also share all that they enjoy and find challenging. It will give the people on Earth a unique and personal insight view of life on Mars. They could answer intriguing questions like:What is it like to walk on Mars? How do you feel about your fellow astronauts after a year? What is it like living in the reduced Mars’ gravity? What is your favorite food? Do you enjoy the sunsets on Mars?

Future Expansion

A new group of four astronauts will land on Mars every two years, steadily increasing the settlement’s size. Eventually, a living unit will be built from local materials, large enough to grow trees. As more astronauts arrive, the creativity applied to settlement expansion will certainly give way to ideas and innovation that we cannot conceive now. But we can expect the human spirit to continue to persevere, to even thrive in this challenging environment.

http://mars-one.com/en/mission/mankind-on-mars
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