Quickseller feeds information to Badbear about who is buying and selling accounts, which usually ends up in them being banned, and the users buying even more accounts from him. Works out great for him, and just like that one coke dealer the cops let operate so he can be an informant, Badbear lets this regular and flagrant violation of the rules by Quickseller go ignored for similar reasons.

If he was willing to work anything out with me he would start by removing his negative rating for me accusing me of lying about him. Even if he could prove that was true, which he can't, it is not a justifiable reason for some one on the default trust to leave a negative rating. Others have been removed for doing this just once, and for far more justifiable reasons.

What do scammers have to do with Vod damaging my reputation in an attempt to silence me speaking about his abusive behavior? It is cute how you are trying to make this sound like this is about me wanting to be on the shitty corrupt default trust list, and not about Vod repeatedly breaking rules which are enforced upon others but not him. You decide what is best for the forum now? That is interesting.

Vod doesn't want to fix the trust system, he gains control from it being broken and corrupt so he can use his "scambusting" just like another method of trust farming. In reality his standard of evidence is nonexistent, so the truth is no one really knows how many innocent people he has made to look like scammers just to make himself appear useful and collect positive trust. He is averaging about 5 negative ratings a day now. Speaking of what is best for the forum, how many honest users do you think he has driven away in his "preventive policing" inquisition to rid the forum of scammers?

Reach across the isle? What fucking isle? This is not congress and I am not running for office. I made this thread so that THE RULES WOULD BE ENFORCED, not just upon me, but also to protect me when those same rules are broken. If the rules are only for certain people, then it is just a matter of time before everything goes to shit (as we have been witnessing). If those with authority do not respect the rules, eventually no one will respect any rules. History has demonstrated this over and over again.


Uhh, I never left Vod a negative rating... my crime was simply speaking about him in threads, and he decided this was worthy of a negative rating. Once again, it is easy for him to just say lets forget this and be pals when I have been harmed, and continue to have my reputation marked, and he has had to GASP deal with being publicly criticized. Yet still some how you have the audacity to talk to me like we are both share equal fault in this. Grow a brain and stop toadying for this loser.

Trust is unmoderated, unless you are on the default trust list, in which case it is, unless you are one of the special few who do not have any consequences to their actions, like everyone else does for exhibiting the very same behavior, only less often.

Considering he is the one that has damaged my trust rating and I have done nothing more than talk about him, it is easy for him to pretend to be reconciliatory when he loses nothing. Basically this is just a strategy to make him appear to be taking the moral high ground when he was the one that perpetrated the abuse to begin with. It would be like me defacing your storefront and being like "Hey why all the hostility? Lets be pals and just forget all this!" Only people with the intellect of a child would fall for this divisive bullshit.



Poor poor Vod, having to defend himself from criticism because of his out of control behavior. Vod is in his own little bubble of OCD control freak drama addiction, he couldn't be convinced with a brick to the head. He is on the default trust list, and others on the default trust list have been removed for SINGLE INCIDENTS whereas Vod has systematically repeated the same abusive behavior that others were removed for.

He claims that it is a lie that staff don't protect him, but observing his behavior and the complete lack of consequences I have far more evidence it is the truth than he does that it is a lie. Furthermore people have been removed from the default trust for leaving negative ratings for people over "lies" before multiple times, so that is not even an acceptable standard to leave a rating from someone on the default trust. Of course the rules are not for people like Vod, but only for every one else.


Just because I didn't agree with you and Nubbin's little mob action doesn't mean I was shilling for Woodcollector. Are you here shilling for Vod? No one really cares about your opinion, because hundreds of users on this forum know I am a trustworthy and fair person, and one shitslinging baboon like you wont change that. As far as the default trust keeping scammers out, there isn't a bigger joke on the forum. If anything it gives new users a false sense of security and makes them more liable to be ripped off. Instead of getting to know their trading partners personally like people used to, they are now just reading red and green numbers which are bought and sold daily.

We aren't going around in circles, YOU are. Just another one of your childish fallacies that you think makes you look clever. It is very easy to pretend to be reconciliatory while you are the only one who has caused harm. EVEN IF I WAS LYING, which I am not, that is not harm, and you can not demonstrate any harm done. People lie about each other all day on these forums. That is not grounds for leaving negative ratings from some one in the position of being on the default trust.

Whatever you need to tell yourself...

I never asked to be on the default trust list, not once. I harp on the subject because the rules are unwritten and selectively enforced. It is a corrupt system. I don't want to be on it, I want it to end. I left my negative rating because I was told over and over again that trust ratings are not moderated, yet Theymos and other staff members had no problem coercing me into changing my rating by personally seeing to it that I was not only removed from the default trust, but then a new feature was added, so that I could be excluded from it 2x so that others on the default trust list could not re-add me.

That does not sound like an unmoderated trust system, this is a trust dictatorship where Theymos and only Theymos chose who stays and who goes. Furthermore they can't be bothered to post rules, or even uniformly enforce their unwritten rules. Armis was the perpetrator, and Theymos was happy to have an excuse to get personally involved and make sure I was removed and then excluded for the unforgivable crime of not following his orders to change my rating.

Proof of what? Proof that he is another user? How exactly does one prove that? Oh that's right by Badbear claiming he has some magic formula that says 2 usernames are the same person, but he can't share the information because it is a matter of forum national security.  That seems like a worthwhile request.  

P.S. Quickseller the fact that you are here arguing for yourself using your alt says volumes about you.

I "didn't" say the "quote" function, I said "quotes", because "you" use "quotes" entirely too "often", and in "grammatically" incorrect ways.

The difference is you have no PROOF it is a lie, you just apply a label to it and call it one because it serves your purpose as a minimal justification for your default trust abuse. The statement can not be proven one way or the other, so by definition you have no ability to define it as a lie BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO PROOF IT IS NOT TRUE.

I on the other hand DO have proof it is true. You repeatedly abuse the default trust system, and there you are, still on the default trust, when many many others were removed for singe instances of acts you do once a week.

Vod, you do a damned fine job of getting yourself into drama constantly, I don't need to lie to expose that. I love how you are able to do the mental gymnastics that make you think that the nepotism that allows you to stay on the default trust list is some how proof it is my fault and not proof that you are in fact protected by the staff and other high ranking trust members. You are quite good at lying to yourself.

Give the pretender act a rest Dr. Phil. You are the perpetrator here, just like Armis was, and I will do my best to make sure everyone knows you are a perpetrator and not a protector like you would love everyone to believe. The only way this will ever be resolved is with you removing your abusive rating on my trust completely or with you removed from the default trust.

Redsnow, you are using quotes far too often and in grammatically incorrect ways. Please stop before I gouge my eyes out.

 My customer base was almost ENTIRELY newbies, because I often make contacts outside the forum and direct them here to my reputation. There was a clear drop off of people wanting to trade immediately. I really don't care if you believe it or if you experience the same thing because frankly it doesn't effect you, so why would you give a shit. No one cares until it happens to them. If you use the default trust at level 2 I am rated +19/-1/9, you clearly are using a different list. Additionally, tell me exactly when I shamed anyone for using the trust system, now you are just making shit up. If I am shaming anyone it is for their behavior, not because they use the trust system.

 As far as the default trust, it is broken and corrupted and DESERVES to be destroyed because it causes more harm than good. What you would do is great for you, maybe you should do that. I am not you, and I didn't request advice, and I really don't care if people don't like what I say, or even understand why I do what I do. Before we can improve this forum we need to get the people who are actively destroying it out of positions of authority, or at the very least reform their behavior, otherwise it is just a treadmill and we go nowhere.

IMO the only reason they removed him in the first place is because they had just removed me from the default trust list for basically the same situation and they didn't want to look like even bigger hypocrites. This is why they are letting him back on because it was just a show to make it look like that actually enforce the rules for everyone.

IMO your safest bet would be to host the results of your data requests on your own host and simply link it here. IMO this would be within the forum rules. Of course they aren't written down anywhere so who knows what rules they will or will not enforce at any given time.

Yes. New users almost always use the default trust. Often they don't even bother clicking it to see why the rating was left or from whom, they just move on because there are so many scams they are hyper-paranoid and unwilling to take any risk. Furthermore new users are trying to seek to build a reputation, therefore they seek the highest rated users to trade with.

I have been entrusted with thousands of dollars of other people's money and met all of my agreements every time, but because of negative ratings on my account I still get newbs asking me to use escrow over $10 transactions now. It most definitely DOES effect trading, and every user demanding escrow is no small thing, it is a pain in the ass and takes up lots of time, creates additional legal liabilities, and in addition it is a risk to the seller trusting a 3rd party that was a completely unnecessary step previously.

Frankly if you don't trade here regularly, you wouldn't have the slightest clue about any of this. I have been trading here for over 3 years, have been trusted with thousands of dollars, met all of my agreements, and have received over 100 positive trust ratings, yet according to the default trust rating at level 2, I am +19/-1/+9. Does that sound like it has an effect to you? The difference is quite distinct when from a user on the default trust.

Because you disagree with my opinions does not make them lies. Just because other people disagree with me does not make me a liar. You do not have a right to tell me what I can and can not say on this forum and use your position on the default trust as a method of extorting compliance with your demands, and I will NOT submit to your coercion, ever. Furthermore, you can not prove that my statements are false, therefore your claims of lies are only based on hearsay or opinions. Why is it you get to have opinions, but when I have opinions, suddenly they aren't opinions, but lies, and must be punished with disproportionate amounts of authority being abused? Differing opinions is not a lie, no matter how offensive it is to your ego. Furthermore no damage has been done to you regardless of how much you want to pretend you are a victim here and not the perpetrator. I look forward to you denying reality and me continuing to expose your abusive behavior at any opportunity.

Or it could just mean that there are too many mongoloids like you running around negative rating people because they don't agree with statements made in threads, and people do not want to risk years of hard work building up their reputation to point out the systematic abusive behavior exhibited from those occupying the default trust.

He left you a neutral rating. What are you crying about?

Cool story bro.

Well said. It is not like the default trust list is that big to begin with, "A few" could easily mean half of the default trust list because they treat it so exclusively. Then when they get tired of denying that the system is corrupt they turn on you and claim it is just an overreaction over having your reputation damaged, not because you feel the system is corrupt, and you should stop talking about it because no one cares. The no one cares part is true, unfortunately no one cares... until it happens to them, then suddenly they care, and then if they speak up about it, they end up being marginalized like the rest. People often ask me why I suddenly cared only AFTER I was removed from the default trust, but considering there are no rules posted anywhere, observing how others used it, and the fact that I didn't bother reading every meta thread regarding default trust, I am not sure how exactly I could have known about this issue until it happened to me personally. A lot of people here have no idea how big of a problem this issue is until individuals such as you and I speak up about it. Unfortunately speaking up about it puts us under further risk of harassment and retribution from those that have interest in the current state of affairs staying the way they are.