Naja möchte dann sofort BTCs kaufen und diese in meine Wallet übertragen.

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I'm not anonymous, really.  No one is really anonymous on the internet.  And yes I've sent the wrong amount of BTC before but I've had the fortune to be trading with honest traders who've returned the difference.

Beides. Am besten so eine Seite wie Bitcoin-24 mit Sofortüberweisung aber ohne Einzahlungslimit.

Wenn ich 2.000 Euro einzahlen will, dann kann denen das doch egal sein. Was soll dieses blöde Tageslimit?

Hello
Took me a while to find the forum I can post in lol.

Anyways, I've spent a lot of time researching bitcoins, and I still have a hard time wrapping my head around how it works.

Anyways, I'm doing a bit of work with someone overseas. We're kinda on an anonymous level. ANd he's going to be paying me
Western Union. He will probably pay me either weekly or biweekly.

Is there a way he can anonymously buy bitcoins, and send them to me, so the relationship still stays anonymous?

2) I was reading a post about someone getting hacked and losing their coins. Excuse my terms, but is this because everything
is open source, you can see which accounts are the most active thus containing the most currency?

Thanks for the help!

Hallo Gemeinde,

gibt es eine Börse in der es kein Einzahlungslimit gibt?

Bei bitcoin-24 sind es ja z.B. am Anfang 50€ und danach 500€.

Danke

Gruß

dworld

1 year after the MF GLOBAL meltdown 1.6 BILLION! dollars is still unaccounted for and it is high unlikely John Corzine who the US Congress recently found at fault will server a day in jail.

There is not enough capitalization for bitcoin to be used as a reserve currency now.

Oh wow, you are correct. I guess I was looking at the result of the streaming construction of the chart on a tab that has been open for ~14 hours. So this means that the streaming chart was correct in this case.

So the problem might lie in the server implementation of bar generation. The trade shows up once in the database, but the way that trades are turned into bars might have been corrupted.

Thanks so much for the details!

Here is a screenshot from the site as it stands currently:



It looks as if the historic chart data that loads from the server is correct at least. That means the problem is happening with the real time feed. I have confirmed that my server-side database contains just one trade at that time (I also show 5 trades total with that volume - 1700BTC. Just a bit of trivia.)

Also note that the candles shown in my screenshot differ from those created in real time by the streaming feed.

I think bitcoincharts creates its graphics using polled historic data only, so it will not experience this problem. I'm not sure about bitcoin-analytics and whether the charts are created from streaming or polled data.

The discrepancy in candle shapes could be chalked up to timing differences / lag in the streaming feed over the stored MtGox database information. The double-volume bug, however, is more elusive. It would be nice to have a screenshot of the Time & Sales from that moment, so see if the trade showed up twice in that feed. If it so happened that the platform somehow had two connections to the streaming data (through the disconnect/reconnect behavior of the MtGox feed resetting every hour), then it would get double the data, and the chart would add trades twice.

As for a solution to this problem, it seems like it's probably going to be complicated. Since we're using socket.io to get the streaming data, we have to deal with black-box software. I'm not convinced that we don't have multiple connections to the streaming data sometimes. Diagnosing bugs like this usually involve waiting for something to happen in the real time feed again, which could take time.

I could put together a hack that reloads the chart data every so often, but that would ramp my server bandwidth usage and simply patch over this problem. I could instruct socket.io to NOT reconnect upon failures, requiring a site refresh, but our current reconnect solution is the result of complaints over having to refresh the page.

Maybe we could all keep looking more closely at the feed to notice if the Time & Sales starts showing double trades. I will look over the code again to see if there's any fix to be had there. Thanks for pointing this out to me.

By that time I hope to have an accommodation in Vienna. Is one of you driving to Graz an can take me with them?

thank you, molecular

Hi, Clark,

as it was me who made initial statement I post here just to clear the question.

In any case please do  not consider this as unfriendly. We really appriciate your greate service.



As I already reported to you similar issues it is also interesting for me what is the thechnical problem and solution for this.
Please tell your opinion.

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2012/11/24-04:38:38: {'origin': 'broadcast', 'trade': {'price_currency': 'USD', 'trade_type': 'ask', 'price_int': '1235000', 'item': 'BTC', 'price': Decimal('12.35'), 'primary': 'Y', 'tid': '1353728316444418', 'amount': Decimal('199.999'), 'amount_int': '19999900000', 'date': 1353728316, 'type': 'trade', 'properties': 'limit'}, 'private': 'trade', 'channel': 'dbf1dee9-4f2e-4a08-8cb7-748919a71b21', 'op': 'private'}
2012/11/24-04:38:58: {'origin': 'broadcast', 'trade': {'price_currency': 'USD', 'trade_type': 'bid', 'price_int': '1235979', 'item': 'BTC', 'price': Decimal('12.35979'), 'primary': 'Y', 'tid': '1353728337722592', 'amount': Decimal('0.3997868'), 'amount_int': '39978680', 'date': 1353728337, 'type': 'trade', 'properties': 'limit'}, 'private': 'trade', 'channel': 'dbf1dee9-4f2e-4a08-8cb7-748919a71b21', 'op': 'private'}
2012/11/24-04:39:34: {'origin': 'broadcast', 'trade': {'price_currency': 'USD', 'trade_type': 'ask', 'price_int': '1235000', 'item': 'BTC', 'price': Decimal('12.35'), 'primary': 'Y', 'tid': '1353728373761573', 'amount': 1700, 'amount_int': '170000000000', 'date': 1353728373, 'type': 'trade', 'properties': 'limit'}, 'private': 'trade', 'channel': 'dbf1dee9-4f2e-4a08-8cb7-748919a71b21', 'op': 'private'}
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2012/11/24-04:43:10: {'origin': 'broadcast', 'trade': {'price_currency': 'USD', 'trade_type': 'bid', 'price_int': '1236000', 'item': 'BTC', 'price': Decimal('12.36'), 'primary': 'Y', 'tid': '1353728586838886', 'amount': Decimal('0.3295101'), 'amount_int': '32951010', 'date': 1353728586, 'type': 'trade', 'properties': 'limit'}, 'private': 'trade', 'channel': 'dbf1dee9-4f2e-4a08-8cb7-748919a71b21', 'op': 'private'}
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2012/11/24-04:43:10: {'origin': 'broadcast', 'trade': {'price_currency': 'USD', 'trade_type': 'bid', 'price_int': '1238520', 'item': 'BTC', 'price': Decimal('12.3852'), 'primary': 'Y', 'tid': '1353728586934047', 'amount': Decimal('8.05767555'), 'amount_int': '805767555', 'date': 1353728586, 'type': 'trade', 'properties': 'limit'}, 'private': 'trade', 'channel': 'dbf1dee9-4f2e-4a08-8cb7-748919a71b21', 'op': 'private'}
2012/11/24-04:43:10: {'origin': 'broadcast', 'trade': {'price_currency': 'USD', 'trade_type': 'bid', 'price_int': '1238600', 'item': 'BTC', 'price': Decimal('12.386'), 'primary': 'Y', 'tid': '1353728586978244', 'amount': Decimal('0.0239058'), 'amount_int': '2390580', 'date': 1353728586, 'type': 'trade', 'properties': 'limit'}, 'private': 'trade', 'channel': 'dbf1dee9-4f2e-4a08-8cb7-748919a71b21', 'op': 'private'}

Aww you need some attention? ...seeing that you have a molecular penis? Lol

Correct - also, mining isn't marginal - it's the core design... without miners there isn't a bitcoin network.

That being said - Everyone needs to just stop freaking out about ASICs. a single will make what a single makes, and a rig will make what a rig makes... You'll still be struggling for some percentage of the entire network. We need to start focusing on growing bitcoin as a network, instead of just profit taking.

Lets get those transactions fees high enough to replace the block reward entirely. Yes? Great...

That's a very good point that I had overlooked (as I'm generally not an online gambling player, ... primarily for the reason you cited ... I try to avoid negative EV   ).

This was illustrated in another thread where bitcoin gaming is sometimes used as a way to get a "bridge loan".  The example given was where someone wants to make a purchase but is just a little short of funds.  It will take a few days either to get more funds or for an existing funds transfer to complete in order to buy more coins.  So using one of the bitcoin gaming services a person can make a wager (or two) and likely win the amount that was needed.

In the worst case scenario the person loses and has to wait a few days for a funds transfer to complete, just like they would have been had they not placed the bets.

Of course for a person in financial distress, this can accelerate a downward spiral but for those simply wanting a few more coins quickly, the immediate access to winnings is something Bitcoin gaming offers that is not found anywhere else online.

It depends.  If Bitcoin never gets any bigger essentially no bitcoin buisiness is worth it.   None.  Not even MtGox.  However nobody putting money and labor into a bitcoin enterprise is doing it for the small sums they will net today.  They are doing it because what "if" bitcoin is bigger.  Not a little bigger but much much much bigger.  What if someday there are tens of millions of Bitcoin users.  Then being an established and trusted [casino|exchange|retailer|auction house|marketplace|etc] is suddenly very much worth it.

IMHO Bitcoin will either be much bigger or a footnote in history in 3-5 years.  It won't remain the status quo.