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8881  Other / Off-topic / Re: When is it useful to borrow bitcoin? on: August 26, 2016, 02:05:25 PM
Better buy bitcoin while the price is lower. Maybe you will never its price like this. Borrowing bitcoin is better when the interest is low. Check or visit the lending section. Check if the interest are low. Ofcourse you need something to stake. I suggest do not borrow, better earn some money and buy bitcoins. If you are too needy then you have no choice but to borrow.
although the interest is low but maybe that is will become burdens for your self you can't think with freedom in your minds and always thinking about the date of pay off and paying the interest. you will never feel comfortable with using borrowed way.

Businessman very closely with freedom in every case and it is indeed a very heavy burden to give something if business people. If you want to get something big and the maximum is indeed we should avoid loans. Because in the loan we have to pay the loan principal and interest is huge

yes as much as possible we should avoid loans, especially if you borrow from a bank or money lenders who have high interest rates.


That's my personally reason for avoiding the loans from everyone because I think the interest is always high, and you don't predict what will happen in the future, whether you will pay back you loans or nothing. just take a decision with low risk in the future.

Interest rates are the thing are holding me to borrow  or having a loan to someone because you might not able to pay if they  pile up big interest on your loaned amount.  Like as other said you wont know what would happen tommorow  it might be good  or bad and it may affect   that you may not pay those loans and  they continue to grow overtime which is a really bad situation.
8882  Other / Off-topic / Re: Will you quit your day job to go full time on bitcoin? on: August 26, 2016, 02:01:32 PM
I think I won't do that, I don't even have a job now because I'm still a student. But I think if in the future, I do have job I still won't do this, except if my job is a Bitcoin related job.

can you sharehow much bitcoin your earning during 6month ? higher than realjob or not ? im very interesting to know more, because i have plab to go full time on bitcoin too.

What do you mean? I never even do any "real" job in my life. And especially since I am a student so I don't have time to earn Bitcoin all day.
So I can probably earn $408 in 6 months.

No need to go full time in bitcoin specially if you are a fresh graduate, it's good to practice your profession first, but if time comes that it seems like you are not comfortable with you profession, you could  try doing it part time and part time on bitcoin too or incorporate the two, fiat and bitcoin, accept both in all your services..

Yeah bitcoin can be earned in part time and I don't see there is any need of getting full time into it as full time job gives stable income and bitcoin is really good as an passive income.

exactly, having a steady job would be better rather than you go fulltime on bitcoin but you could still join those two   as source of income  as long  you do proper time management and   for sure  it would be a good thing  because you are both earning in bitcoin and in fiat.
8883  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are you Rich from Gambling? on: August 26, 2016, 01:57:05 PM
Actually i never saw a man, who has rich from Gambling?
I m not playing gambling because i saw a lot of people who has lost everything in gambling.
So i want to ask if anyone is here how has rich from GAMBLING ??
First Of All Gambling Is Not A Way to Become Rich, The Only Way to Become Rich is Our Master Mind and Money If We Use Them Wisely.....
And Gambling Is always Depends Upon your Luck And  I Also Never Seen a Single Person Who Becomes Rich By Gambling.....

You know many peoples play gambling only for earn money in a hurry time, also you and me whenever play gambling so only for money. Instead we are saying gambling is a fun and enjoyment but main thing is that less time and earn a lot of money.
But your second point is absolutely right.   
The fact is we cannot dictate people to stop in gambling as that is their decision, regardless of their method that is for them and they are not kids anymore that we need to teach on what to do, once you enter into gambling you are already a matured person and you know your chances so it is fine to think that you can be rich in gambling as long as you know how to accept when you cannot achieve that.

You have a point and maybe some of the gamblers have have same aim in playing gambling which is to become rich with it. You are right we can't stop anybody on their decision on life because he's already aware on that certain thing when he decide to enter at hes also aware on the circumstances.
The reality is more gamblers are poor so aiming money is the goal for them. Gambling sites are earning money from the loses of the poor people as they are the type of gamblers who rely on luck in gambling and since luck cannot beat the advantage in the long run they lose.

Gambling is an industry and also an investment for  the  website owners for sure they would like to profit rather than bankruptcy  thats why they build this business , they for sure  to  make an advantage  on their players . Most of the websites claimed that they are provably fair  but i still have  suspicion that they have the advantage always thats why most of the player lose  on the long run.
8884  Economy / Economics / Re: If bitcoin price is $10.000, will fiat be worthless? on: August 26, 2016, 01:52:23 PM
Fiat will stay exactly the same, no matter what the price of Bitcoin is. Nothing can change fiat beside the governments themself. The only chance for Bitcoin to make fiat less usable/interesting, is when people world wide start to use Bitcoin more than their fiat currency.

Thats not possible though because  even how many people who used bitcoin but still they are exchanging it to fiat and  bitcoin could not  make paper currency disappear since  they only rely to the value of fiat   equally to their   value in the market which is really impossible to happen that bitcoin could make fiat  money useless.
8885  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: ARE NEWBIES CONSIDERED AS FOOLS? on: August 26, 2016, 01:49:56 PM
I think not. There are also smart newbies.

What means smart newbies? In my opinion smart newbies just read and learn. This all thread is against "Newbies" that playing with experienced users just to troll, cheat, or just do pist offsomeone.

In real talk there are newbie rank or new accounts made by another veteran member which used just to troll someone in the forum or just used for arguing wit someone. They would create new account instead on using their mai account to hide their identities and avoiding negative trust. Well just saying real talk here.

Why it's allowed to sell high rank accounts in this forum? I noticed that a lot of people selling accounts with ranks. According to this scammer can buy high rank account and beginners "maybe" will trust him and get scammed? To be honest in a lot of forums it's against rules to sell accounts, but on this one - it's allowed.


Its not really allowed in what we usually think but this forum does not  prohibit to sell account to others but im not really fan of  these kinds of transaction because  account would be  used on bad purposes same as you said. Forum does not have rules that  selling accounts is illegal  for sure they would really like to impose these rules  but  i think they have  a hard time  on stopping  this transactions.
8886  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is stealing Bitcoin illegal? on: August 26, 2016, 12:43:14 PM
Stealing is punishable by law and in some countries they even cut your arm for doing such thing. So stealing bitcoin is the same as you take someone else money without their permission. In the best case if you get caught you will end up in jail. Of course I don't know yet a single person from the hackers of bitcoin exchanges who have been caught so chances of you getting caught are really slim. But yes its illegal and you should stay away from it and be a good person with good behavior in general.

I don't think that you get OP's point... He said that he didn't mean to get those coins and it just so happen that when he generate an address it already have an amount stored in there and owned by someone else which OP also said that he is aware that it is very rare to happen... Though it was not his property, I think it is not stealing since he didn't do anything to get it except for generating an address.

He might not read the  Ops queries first and   he replied directly  Grin . Well ,  op generated an address which is already owned by someone thats why he ask  if bitcoin sealing is illegal, for sure  he would intend or try to get those bitcoin  because   he already have an access to it therefore if  he got those bitcoin then its stealing  and  its a crime.
8887  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How to earn bitcoin by sig campaign? on: August 26, 2016, 12:39:55 PM
When you will be ranked to member or at least Junior member, you can try to enrol into sigmature campaign that you like, and then they might accept you

Now a days the most important thing for getting accepted in a campaign is the post quality... you might have a sr. member account but if your post quality is poor then it would be hard for you to get accepted in a good campaign.

Correct, Even if you have  high rank account   with  poor post quality  then it would be still useless since you cant easily join signature campaigns because sig camp managers are strict to select to their participants especially on quality of post because they dont want to accept those spammer because  it would only  bring  trouble  or stain  to a signature campaigns.
8888  Other / Off-topic / Re: How do I make money with $100 USD BTC on: August 26, 2016, 12:37:38 PM
For fast way I recommed for you to try to trade $100 USD buy bitcoins for now and set it to high price and wait to someone to buy your price for you Bitcoins.. This is the safe I think buy cheap and sell high.. dont buy Altcoin because most of them are not stable, and make you money loss in just some hours.

I also like me you,buy bitcoin at low prices and sell at high prices or must double, but have to wait long to be sold at high prices
if it is very profitable to buy ALT coin,because ALTcoin is pretty much on the market,You can buy coins that are crowded or more people are buying
so loss if you just trade bitcoin not try altcoin

trading with btc/usd would  be  really time consuming if  you have a small investment , you would feel your profit  if you have  huge  capital especially on short tradings iin btc/usd pair. Altcoin would be still profitable if you are smart enough  on  choosing the right coins  that would surely pump up and developed in the long run because there are lots of alts now  just  pump and dump forever.
8889  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can Bitcoin make Banks disappear? on: August 26, 2016, 12:33:10 PM
People lose more money every year stored in their bank accounts and atms as compared to Bitcoins, the only bitcoins that get stolen are because of either carelessness in handing private keys or investing in scams.

i think no people lost his money in bank, it's just lower interest if we compared with bitcoin interest (rising price).
but i think not all people who stored his money at bitcoin get interest, growing his money, some people who buying bitcoin in $700 and hold it, now lose arround 20% of his money.
yeah but things can be changed in future. even I am pretty much sure things will get changed in future 100%..
bitcoin price dropped little bit but it will raise again and everyone who invested when the price was 700$ they will also get profit. this is the game of patience. anyone one who have strongest well power well be in more benefit..

and banks won't give this amazing feature, but there is no chance that bitcoin can disappear banks. banks will remain.

Yeah bank is going to remain because the people really needs bank for the security of their money. And mostly, people who have millions of bucks are going to lend their money to the bank for the bank is able to use that money for investment and the bank is going to do the bank so that your money is going to grow easily.
banks are just  definitely as a storage on our money and it doesnt connected  wit bitcoin and  it wont be possible tha bitcoin could make bank disappear since  they dont really have connection at all. Yes, banks  is  more secure on your fiat money it would  still grow your money there but  it not as big  as you expected  in per annum basis.
8890  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How can I earn money in this forum? on: August 26, 2016, 12:22:03 PM
Hi everyone. I'm a newbie here. I was just curious how my friend gets income in this forum. I wanted to ask how can I earn money here? thank you Smiley

Signature campaign (probably the best way)
Offer your skills Services

Agree, signature campaigns would be easiest way to earn Bitcoin here in the forum and it's far better than those faucets which is a really waste of time. As other said you could also sell your goods and if you have skill then it's a plus because for sure you would earn decent amounts with that goodluck.
8891  Economy / Economics / Re: Soo, I'm planning on buying €1000 in bitcoins. Yes or no? on: August 26, 2016, 12:14:02 PM
If it is a planned investment, which will not compromise your financial life, I don't see big problem. The important thing is to be aware of the instability in the market, the risks involved and invest considering these factors.
There is no problem as long as you are aware of the possible outcome, you only not focus on the positive outcome and you also need to know the negative outcome so you can weigh things better and you are confident with your decision to invest.

Well, we should know the things and consider on the possible circumstances on the future and as an investor then you should expect the unexpected delima that you would encounter along the way. They are right If the money you would plan to invest does not compromises anything then there's nothing to worry but just remember the risk involved.
8892  Other / Off-topic / Re: When is Bitcoins going to die? on: August 26, 2016, 12:09:10 PM
someone said bitcoin will die in 2035,then I searched in google what really bitcoin will die in 2035,and I also ask users bitcoin What really bitcoin in 2035 will be lost

bitcoin could die anytime,but what if bitcoin really dead,what happened to this forum if bitcoin really dead and worthless
I believe bitcoin will remain there until whenever,and the price of bitcoin getting up


believe bitcoin until doomsday  Grin



maybe you can give link or anything that say bitcoin will die in 2035. i am doubt enough with that. i mean the biggest factor to bitcoin die is the user of bitcoin it self and also the developer of bitcoin. but as far as i know when bitcoin still have a fans (user) bitcoin still not have potential to die.

I also would like a link to support your theory, it is impossible to predict things in the next 19 years, and i think now bitcoin is showing a great development, so if this keep continue i believe bitcoin will last long, but all of that also depend on all of us to support bitcoin

That's right Bitcoins existence would really depends on us people who uses it, because if no one buying Bitcoins or used it then we can really say that Bitcoin would be dead anytime soon. As we can see Bitcoin is becoming popular as the years goes by and there are already lots of investors on it and also being adopted already by some countries. Bitcoin won't easily die in my own view but no one knows what on the future.
8893  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why is gambling so addicting? on: August 26, 2016, 10:58:54 AM
Gambling is addictive because it gives you a potential chance of earning money without doing anything. All you have to do is to win your bets. It is unlike a job where you have to work hard before getting paid.

In terms of getting money instantly I could really say that in gambling games you could really get cash fast compare on salary on your day job but remember isn't stable at all and you don't win all the way in fact you may even lose than gaining money itself. It's really nice to get money with your hard work. Gambling is addictive because it gives you the chills in playing and the aim of gaining profit was also there.
8894  Other / Off-topic / Re: Will you quit your day job to go full time on bitcoin? on: August 26, 2016, 10:50:29 AM
It's an interesting idea to have internet business and BTC as a daily job.

Yeah, but you need compare your day job with full time on bitcoin. Which one is more worth than that two and you need think about the future if you go full time on bitcoin.

You should think first carefully if you made such final decisions before. You switched and think on the things that could possibly happen on the long run. Well,we can't stop anyone In their decisions as long as he know that his doing right and don't compromise anything on making such decision. Just like on switching to Bitcoin and leaving your day job as an example.
You will not know the result unless you tried, nothing is safe in this world and any venture that promises a good reward involves great risk. So if you know how to manage the risk and you have calculated it and the result is in your favor you should go for it.


Correct, you must try things first so that you would get results and if you think that it has advantage for you then proceed. I agree there's nothing safe in this world, the most important thing is how you handle the risk and sustain your journey in your life.
8895  Other / Off-topic / Re: Will you accept bitcoin as your salary? on: August 26, 2016, 10:32:29 AM
i will accept my salary in bitcoin, in fact now im join signature campaign and i get salary each week in bitcoin.
i think accept salary in bitcoin is best idea to hide from tax.

Unless you're from a third world country and the signature campaign payout levels with your weekly or monthly wage, you can somewhat make that comparison. But when you're not, then the only way to look at signature campaign payouts is to see it as a bonus. And nothing more.



You have a point, signature campaigns earning would be decent enough to compare the salary rate in 3rd world countries which is very useful because you won't do hardwork already because you are already earning decent in Bitcoin and it really depends on what country do you live but still remember the risk on Bitcoin because it's not stable as of now to fully rely on.








8896  Other / Off-topic / Re: Have you ever lost Bitcoin? on: August 25, 2016, 01:51:59 PM
I didn't lose any bitcoins, because i am very careful with them, but once i lost altcoins, because i forgot my exchange account log in info so i couldn't log in to it anymore

I don't understand how can people forget their log in details, I mean its such an important and critical factor and people simply forgets it, bitcoin is a money and you cannot afford to be so careless with that.

maybe he has  lots  of account and not able to remember those  accounts he owned or  he just to busy to forget those thing or maybe hes a kind which  could easily forget something easily. There are lots  of things   when people  do forget things but  bitcoin is a money we should not  forget those important things.
8897  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is it a sin to gamble? on: August 25, 2016, 01:50:03 PM
Gambling are forbidden by Muslims and they think it is sinful. But I saw one Muslim(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1571457.0) is also a high roller who bet 1000 ETH per bet, maybe he is happy about the profit, but I think his Allah is angry. LOL.



No matter   what religion do you belong its normal for us to commit mistakes because we are just humans by the way but its up on their decision if they obey your  commit such mistake. For me its not a sin if you treat it as an entertainment but if you already risking  all your money and  it compromises your  life and your family then it would  be a very big mistake.
Talking about sin back to the religious rules, but of course everyone has their own opinion but in religion rules it's clearest.
Nobody is perfect, every person makes mistakes, so if you consider whether gambling is a sin or not people still do it. I do gambling, but just for fun not to earning money for life, mostly people do the same. When you get addicted to it and ruin your life, that's why gambling consider as a sin.

You are totally correct, I fully agree with you dude.  Grin  If people gambling for fun, no religion would defines this is a sin, because it is not for money. If they hunter for money, they may lose the family, house, car and so on. Which is a sin, even for non-religion people.

Correct if you treat it as a hobby or entertainment only then  its not a sin, but when you become greedy on playing gambling then its already a sin since greed  is  one of the original sin in the bible and you couldnt deny that thing which is really true that greed  wouldnt do any good  to you.
8898  Economy / Economics / Re: How to save money. on: August 25, 2016, 12:48:04 PM
Always save 10% of your money everytime you receive money from a service or your job. It's the easiest one to save money for me and remember to not buy something useless with your money.

We have the same  plan on  partitioning on my money  then save it  for  future purposes its either for investment or in terms of emergencies. Saving could be really helpful when at times of  trouble especially on financial problems. You must obliged yourself to save.
8899  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to Grow my Bitcoins. on: August 25, 2016, 12:45:06 PM
I know a new method where you can earn ~30% of your bitcoins in one week. You just need to have bitcoins on your wallet, you don't need to send it, and don't need to invest. I can help you everyone if needed. I will make you profit and then you will pay me 10% of this Smiley

Feel free to ask me, Im helping newbie too!
I can be defined you're promoting a Ponzi via your PM and for you know from your sentences i know if that is just a fakin Ponzi, and you're just wanna for plunges the newbies into your hole.

For sure, he wanted to be pm'ed by someone who got interested, but same as you said it's a ponzi for sure because there's no such investment promises 30% return in 1week which is really huge and only ponzi sites could definitely proposes that such high returns offer.

im really sure too that is a ponzi scam site because they have usually those payment rates which is really good to be tru in  long term investment but  sadly these sites gone scam easily in a matter of days and weeks because they cant sustain the  payouts of the investors of their site.
8900  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How much have you gambled? on: August 25, 2016, 12:42:26 PM
I have gambled mostly fiat money in real casinos playing poker or craps, but how much? That depends on your definition. For example in craps you can make a bet throw the dice 10 times without winning or losing, did I make 1 bet? Or Did I make 10 bets?

Unlike most people, I keep tight records so in absolute terms I have gambled about 5k.


Good for you. It's pretty hard not to go for high bets on Casinos.. The biggest mistake might be having too much money at you though. When you loose, you panic and you don't even take the right decisions anymore.
Thats the main disadvantages  when you have lots of money to gamble because  you could do whatever you want  on betting set-up you could adjust anytime   you want as same as you said when you suffer  big losses in your bank roll then you would surely panic and  cant decide anymore on what you gonna do.
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