Quite embarrassing that this was also in Pakistan, somewhere I'm sure the president would like the country to forget we are actively striking with drones in violation of international law.

Perhaps we can find a way to incentivize Bitpay into selling more of that Bitcoin to projects that will hold it for longer periods of time? There have to be business models that have difficulty obtaining btc on a regular basis. They might even be able to get a premium for a guarantee of delivery with a small overhead risk. I would assume this would be in their best interest to see Bitcoin appreciate in value as well.

Not necessarily. Selfishness and symbiosis are not the same at all. At best selfishness is a part of symbiosis, but symbiosis is not purely selfishness. Selfishness usually takes the form of immediate thoughtless gratification at the expense of others and often themselves, resulting in net destruction of resources and overall quality of life for everyone involved long term. Symbiosis is an exchange of one cost which you can easily bear for a benefit which you can not easily produce.

It is closer to an exchange than being purely selfish. I believe this is where the idea of Karma came from, because the people who came up with the concept understood that selfishness creates a net loss that ripples though society and spreads out adding to a negative ambient sociological state that eventually reaches back to the perpetrator of that selfishness. Symbiosis requires some kind of awareness if not intelligence. Every living thing is capable of being selfish and consuming, often even self destructively. Even bacteria eventually had to learn eventually that they can't keep living if they destroy their host.

In the future, will the new standard for police be that if they hit you with their cars at under 50mph, they aren't such bad guys?

At best, if it doesn't effect people personally or one of their pals, no one gives a shit about trust abuse complaints and ignore them 90% of the time. At worse it just becomes a form of entertainment for compulsive emotionally stunted adults. Then you become the target for protesting the situation. If you are new, you are just a scammer. If you have built a reputation, then that is something they can extort you with and it is just a matter of how big of a mob they need to rally. Justice at its best.

I love how people's own standards suddenly morph into some thing else when they can be demonstrated to be in violation of their own values, instead of simply examining ones self and modifying their beliefs/behavior. It shows how much people demand what they are familiar with, right or wrong.

The trust system is designed to be about your trading history regardless of whatever little addendum people want to put into it to pretend it is ok. The fact that he modified his trust only shows he was pressured by the general public to reign in his abuse. He removes it for a while or turns it to a neutral, then next time he is offended he does it again knowing that everyone has already read about it the first time and no one will bother to look a second. That is not self moderation, that is a strategy to wear down the attention of the public of the forum.

Leaving a negative rating for "lying" has never been an acceptable standard for leaving a negative trust rating from some one on the default trust.  In fact Beastlymac was removed from the default trust for doing this ONE TIME because a user was attempting to extort him by slandering him with lies, and he was removed.

There are no official rules about how to use the trust system posted anywhere on the forum. It is purposely left this way so that an environment of selective enforcement can be maintained, so that a small group of individuals can dictate what can and can not be said on this forum whilst maintaining an illusion of openness and decentralization.

After I found out he left me retaliatory negative trust, I pmed a few people who have left him positive ratings in the past, now him being green is no longer a problem. I just want you to know you could have avoided all of this with a little honesty an humility. Good luck with your new name.

The moral of the story:

STOP USING FUCKING PAYPAL!

You know what is especially retarded about this situation? He could have probably sold his account for more than he stole from you. LOL!
Kashish likes to think he can outsmart everyone, but all he really does is fuck himself.

P.S. Kashish has now left me negative retaliatory feedback for callng him out. If anyone thinks this guy is a scammer kicking and screaming because he got caught, please flood his trust with negative ratings for me so he understands it works both ways

Lets build a list of negative ratings Vod left for people that are unrelated to scamming. I am going to skip over the ratings he left based on his mere suspicion because it would probably max out my posting limit:

evershawn -8: -2 / +0(0)   2014-07-25   0.00000000   Reference 
"Lies constantly, twists words, deletes information, hijacks threads, posts I bought my trust, posts I have multiple accounts. The list just goes on with this guy. In the one week I have know him, he has proven himself to be very dishonest. I recommend not doing any business with this person, as I do not trust him at all."


milkyway -4: -1 / +0(0)   2014-08-25   0.00000000   Reference   Spamming


BADecker -8: -2 / +0(0)   2014-10-21   0.00000000   Reference 
"Mentally unstable - changes stories and views on a whim. Posts that I have the devil inside me (and should not be trusted). For this and his lack or morals makes me believe he would not honour any agreement. I do not trust this person."


jers -4: -1 / +0(0)   2014-10-27   0.00000000     
"Threatened me via PM to have my account deleted if I didn't remove negative trust from his scam pump and dump coin."


hilariousandco-rapped -6: -1 / +0(0)   2014-11-05   0.00000000   Reference 
"Making up stories to get attention. ;("


Decksperiment -4: -1 / +0(0)   2015-03-20  0.00000000   Reference   Severe mental issues. Read his past posts and his feedback (sent and received) and be VERY careful.


TECSHARE 92: -0 / +41(41)   2015-03-26  0.00000000   Reference   Constantly posts lies about me in an effort to have me removed from the default trust list. I am not protected by forum staff. Honest discussion is one thing, but he just posts BS with absolutely no basis.

Not trustworthy.


There are also a plethora of other instances where he attempted to silence others for speaking out against him by leaving negative ratings that he was later forced to remove under public pressure such as iCEBREAKER and Takagari, each time claiming to have learned his lesson and seeing the error in his ways only to do it again about a month later to some one else.

In addition to this, he has now unilaterally decided he has to power to negative rate anyone selling microsoft keys because he claims they are all illegal and stolen (some how he knows this for every user as if by magic) . The forum rules state that if a transaction is legal in the country of origin as well as the trading partner's country IT IS ALLOWED ON THE FORUM. If it was illegal THE ADMINS/MOD WOULD HAVE REMOVED THEM THEMSELVES.

This is just another power grab by Vod, giving himself more self proclaimed authority to dictate to this entire forum to do things his way OR ELSE. Vod is the kind of obsessive compulsive, control hungry, vindictive, egotistical, sociopath that should NEVER be in any position of power, because no matter what authority he has he will abuse it to feed his deficient feelings of self worth, and will lash out at anyone who hurts his feelies.

Yes, I can.

1) I was never suspected of scamming.
2) My over 3 years of honestly trading here demonstrates I am legit. I was accused of "lying" on the basis of a topic which is under debate and neither party can prove the validity of the accusation. (additionally "lying" has never been an acceptable use of giving negatives from someone on the default trust.)
3) The negative feedback did not get removed.
4) The person who left the feedback is still on the default trust list.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=915823.0;all

You can argue about other issues all day. All anyone cares about is that you refund your trading partner with the difference of the disputed amount.

Just in case you don't understand WHY you received negatives, it was not just for the delays, lots of sites have delays. IMO most people were livid about the fact that you required the removal of trust ratings in order to release the funds. This demonstrates very clearly you are willing to extort YOUR OWN CUSTOMERS by breaking your agreement with them to get what you are after. This is in my opinion why you have negatives (and I think you should), just like anyone else who tries to change the terms of an agreement after the fact.

The #1 problem with this forum is THERE ARE NO OFFICIAL RULES OR GUIDELINES POSTED ANYWHERE ON IT!!!!!!!!

When I was on the default trust, no one even told me I was added. No rules were explained to me, and none were posted anywhere to be read on my own initiative. This left me to look to what other users do to extrapolate the acceptable standards of acceptable use for the default trust list. Looking at how people such as Vod use their trust ratings, one could easily get the impression his behavior is acceptable, as nothing is ever done when certain users use the trust to air their grievances, therefore it appears to be acceptable use of the system.

I used my position on the default trust ONCE to point out a user harassing me in my sales threads and I was removed within a week. The disparity in enforcement is glaring.  The rules are kept unwritten, unspoken, and ambiguous so that those in control don't have any rules for themselves, they can simply pick and choose who they want to selectively enforce against. If you are one of their bros, well then hey, abuse away, no one will do shit about it.

The complete lack of rules, directions, and guidelines for the trust system is the LEADING FACTOR causing all of these disputes, complaints, and abuses. Why would Theymos post rules though when he already can do whatever he wants. If he made rules, then people might expect HIM to follow them too.

Quickseller, IMO changing his rating to a neutral is in your own best interest. You know why?  Because now anyone considering trading with you in the future will see that this may happen to them if they change their minds or don't like your terms of a deal and simply not trade with you to begin with.

I offered this user about $1 over spot just to help out, but he is in a haze of fear over not having enough for rent. As a result, he is just kind of hoping some miracle idiot will show up and pay him 150% of what this is worth so he can make his rent instead of taking a favorable offer. Trying to help you pay your rent buddy, I know its not enough by itself, but that doesn't mean some one is dumb enough to pay what you need for this.

I believe I deleted the original thread I referred to, but here are another couple examples of Kashish948 engaging in scummy behavior.

In this thread he tries to set up an address to personally collect donations for IFC bounties using an address suspiciously similar to the official donation address (which you can see in my signature there), and does not disclose he is in control of the funds, hoping people will assume it is the official donation thread. I have to warn him about it twice.

http://infinitecointalk.org/index.php/topic,649.msg4319.html#msg4319

In this thread we have a tshirt bounty, and his submission is putting the logotypes that other users made onto photos of people wearing tshirts, then gets upset that I don't pay him a bounty for them.

http://infinitecointalk.org/index.php/topic,1687.msg9970.html#msg9970

Of course each time this happens he throws a big shit fit and pretends he did nothing wrong. Return the funds or make a new username and start over. You don't have any other options. Try being a decent human being for once instead of just running around trying to figure out what you can take from everyone around you with the least amount of work.

Hahaha now I am on trial. Thats funny. I see you aren't going to learn. Enjoy losing your reputation.

Same here. No one cares how right you think you are. Everyone knows what you did. Make reparations or be labeled a scammer. Simple as that. Is the $150 or whatever extra you got worth losing your reputation?