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8961  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin 2013: The Future of Payments - San Jose, CA - May 17-19, 2013 on: May 21, 2013, 07:14:55 PM
0.8 is ultraprune. Synchronization is a lot faster with 0.8 than before, but there are still a lot of other fixes that need to be implemented to really solve the block chain bloat 'problem'.

So you can't really say the problem is solved but it's very close.
8962  Other / Off-topic / Re: Religious beliefs on bitcoin on: May 21, 2013, 07:03:47 PM
That said, I think that all of the BTC investors should be interested in what the Bible does say.

"I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. She must be quiet." (1 Timothy 2:12)

Yeah, that belief is gonna get you laid.
Do you know what the term is for somebody who has studied the Bible from cover to cover?







An atheist.
lol - you only closely study what you don't believe. That's likely why most people are on this forum. Too good to be true so let's take a closer look. Smiley
8963  Other / Off-topic / Re: Religious beliefs on bitcoin on: May 21, 2013, 06:57:57 PM
That said, I think that all of the BTC investors should be interested in what the Bible does say.

"I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. She must be quiet." (1 Timothy 2:12)

Yeah, that belief is gonna get you laid.
8964  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin 2013: The Future of Payments - San Jose, CA - May 17-19, 2013 on: May 21, 2013, 06:52:46 PM
SD has always had transaction fees.

When Mike Hearn and others are cavalier about block chain bloat, it's because there are existing solutions being worked on. The process started with the 'ultraprune' branch that became 0.8, and will continue to improve. If all of the proposed optimizations are implemented, bitcoin can and will scale to VISA-level transaction processing, while being runnable on a commodity PC. It doesn't make sense then to devote valuable conference time to rehashing issues where we already know the work we need to do.

I didn't know that. I'm not a gambler so I didn't really follow it that closely. Didn't Pieter develop ultraprune a long time ago? Why is it taking so long to implement?
8965  Economy / Services / Re: Bitcoin 100: Developed Specifically for Non-Profits on: May 21, 2013, 06:46:23 PM
That's not true Bruno, you do deserve thanks. It's your brainchild and energy that drove it. I do trust Rassah but was disappointed to hear about you stepping down. It's nice to know you will stay in the loop though.
8966  Other / Off-topic / Re: Trendon Shavers taunts those he stole from on: May 21, 2013, 06:38:51 PM
Laughing all the way from the tumbler to the bank. Did you see the truck photo? Sweet truck worth about $60k fully loaded.

I did see that. Amazing how he just got away with it all.

No, he was a true entrepreneur. He saw a window of opportunity and took it. How many people do you suppose Gates stepped over and stole from to get to the top (remember Netscape Navigator).

Many people were pissed because they fell for the bullshit. I spotted what he was and who he was long ago. I wrote a post against Clipse, Pirate and Goat (as CornedBeefHash) calling them out and debated with all of them. In my view they proved themselves to be disreputable in that thread so I never trusted them and never lost a dime to any of them. I can't feel sorry for anyone that can't make good decisions, disregards advice and loses money because of it. gmaxwell also spoke out against them constantly on irc (in that thread too) and no one listened. You reap what you sew. Trying to get rich too quick might just make you poor quick instead.
8967  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin 2013: The Future of Payments - San Jose, CA - May 17-19, 2013 on: May 21, 2013, 06:07:46 PM
Finally, someone I respect discussing the subject. Isn't this the same complaint I've read about SatoshiDice? The devs don't seem concerned about SDice why worry about it in this case?

Thanks for the comic relief afforded by your sarcasm.

Actually, I imagine that the core dev members, or at least certain of them, see the same value in SD that I do.  Namely, as a load generation tool capable of facilitating edge case analysis earlier than otherwise likely.

SD was almost single handedly responsible for helping discover the BerkeleyDB mis-configuration long before it otherwise may have been...and by an operator who was willing to work pro-actively to resolve the situation at expense to himself.

SD will also be responsible for understanding the impact of transaction fees on the economy and thus allow a better decisions to be made about how a design might best leverage that resource.



LOL - I'm pleased, most people can't tell when I'm being sarcastic.

SDice is going to start charging transaction fees?
8968  Economy / Services / Re: Bitcoin 100: Developed Specifically for Non-Profits on: May 21, 2013, 05:46:49 PM
One of the booths at the conference was with three nonprofits, who have organized to try to get other nonprofits to accept bitcoins as well. They have never heard of us, and were very glad to hear that we exist, do the same thing they do (or try to), and have the perk that we provide (sending money). They were very interested in working together with us. Stephanie is the contact for fr33aid.com that I talked to, who interviewed me for their podcast. I sent this to her just now.

Quote from: Rassah
Hi Stephanie!
It was nice meeting you guys at the conference. I hope our two organizations can work well together, since we have the same goals.
Our site http://Bitcoin100.org was fixed, so you can point people to it. I believe I have someone who is willing to help fix it up for us, too. Do you know when your podcast will be available? I'd like to listen to it (hope I sounded OK).
 Also, the previous person in charge stepped down, so now I'm the CEO in charge, as well as the treasurer. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=52543.msg2223880#msg2223880
Feel free to refer any questions to me.

Hope to hear from you soon.

-- Rassah

Ok, that had some new info in it for me. Bruno stepped down and you inherited Bitcoin100? You are now in charge of the company direction and funds? Not that it's a bad thing - just wondering.
8969  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How many btc needed to retire? on: May 21, 2013, 05:39:49 PM
Start mining in 2010 - 2011, mine until all your 5990's burn up, put all btc away in cold storage, wait 20 years and retire.
8970  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin 2013: The Future of Payments - San Jose, CA - May 17-19, 2013 on: May 21, 2013, 05:29:02 PM
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* The colored coin concept is HUGELY powerful - I had thought it an interesting diversion before I came but, after it was explained a few times, it made me realise just how versatile the core "distributed ledger" metaphor really it.  

Of course.  Everyone likes a free lunch and sees a way to get rich by sponging off the work of others.

Not sure I understand.  What are you objecting to?  The repupurposing of the bitcoin network for the tracking of real-world assets? something else?


Essentially that, yes.  I'm bummed out that it takes so much overhead already that users (including my friends) are discouraged from running a full node.  In other words, are no longer reasonably capable of being 'peers' the the supposedly 'peer2peer' solution.  That lie is finally starting to be deprecated it seems...years after I suggested that it might be intellectually honest to start doing so...  Anyway, the issue will only get worse when they need to process data for everyone who wants to use Bitcoin as a reliable messaging and storage solution.

It does seem that there is a significant overlap in the groups of people who bitch most loudly about the fees/block size are they who are all ga-ga about colored-ish utilization.
The idea that end users will not hold the entire blockchain, but rather use SPV clients, dates back to Satoshi's original whitepaper.

In a communist society you are limited in how you can use the shared resources. In a capitalist society you pay for the resources and use them however you see fit. It does not make sense to limit what you can use the blockchain for as long as a fee is paid to compensate.


Essentially that, yes.  I'm bummed out that it takes so much overhead already that users (including my friends) are discouraged from running a full node.  In other words, are no longer reasonably capable of being 'peers' the the supposedly 'peer2peer' solution.  That lie is finally starting to be deprecated it seems...years after I suggested that it might be intellectually honest to start doing so...  Anyway, the issue will only get worse when they need to process data for everyone who wants to use Bitcoin as a reliable messaging and storage solution.

It does seem that there is a significant overlap in the groups of people who bitch most loudly about the fees/block size are they who are all ga-ga about colored-ish utilization.
Iw under the impression that colored coin making and tracking was done entirely from the client, not touching the Bitcoin network other than to send Satoshis back and forth?
This is correct, the argument is that sending satoshis back and forth allegedly bloats the blockchain.

Finally, someone I respect discussing the subject. Isn't this the same complaint I've read about SatoshiDice? The devs don't seem concerned about SDice why worry about it in this case?
8971  Other / Off-topic / Re: Religious beliefs on bitcoin on: May 21, 2013, 03:09:36 PM
I introduced bitcoin to a friend and they started talking about how the bible predicts a currency take over and its the start of the Revelation.

Has anyone else run into this problem?

was he referring to verses as "and the beast will impose its mark on them, and no one will be allowed to trade without the mark" in the apocalypse? Or what else?

Please post the exact reference, it must be funny!

This is a pretty good explanation. At least the best I can find. As with all things religion it's a massive leap to the conclusions the religious community draw from it.

"And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear. He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed." (Revelation 13:1-15)

The Antichrist would not be able to make anyone do anything in these verses if he didn't have control of at least most of the planet. This requires a one-world beuracracy to run everything.


"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." (Revelation 13:16-17)

Now, while it doesn't exactly say that there will be one currency, it is inferred from scripture that in order to enact this, the Antichrist will need to have control of the world's financial system. And it wouldn't make much sense to have about 140 or so different currencies that can all fluctuate relative to one another, like they do now.
8972  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin 2013: The Future of Payments - San Jose, CA - May 17-19, 2013 on: May 21, 2013, 02:41:02 PM
I flew in from London to attend the conference and thought it was great.  My main observations and reflections were:

* The quality of the dialogue was extremely high.  A core understanding of Bitcoin and how it works was assumed - which enabled the discussions (lunch, panels, presentations, etc) to focus on more advanced topics.   Examples: the frequent references to coloured (sorry, "colored") coins, the altcoin panel and the various speakers on payments system (e.g. BitPay and Paymium)  --- they all assumed an intelligent *and* knowledgeable audience, which allowed them to go far further than a typical conference session.

If I have to sit through one more presentation which starts out with a history lesson about 'first, humans used barter, then blah, blah, blah' I swear I'm going to puke.  I walked out of at least one presentation at the start for this reason.

About the only thing which is more annoying is when a person asking a question takes 5 minutes of everyone else's time to describe how much they want to suck the presenter's dick or whatever.  Sometimes they don't even get to the question at all.

...
* The colored coin concept is HUGELY powerful - I had thought it an interesting diversion before I came but, after it was explained a few times, it made me realise just how versatile the core "distributed ledger" metaphor really it.   

Of course.  Everyone likes a free lunch and sees a way to get rich by sponging off the work of others.

* The Paytunia/Paymium presenter included a *really* powerful slide that I think could be used to explain Bitcoin in more contexts.  It had three diagrams.  1) four boxes representing the Visa/Mastercard payment system (merchant/merchant acquirer/issuer/customer), 2) three boxes representing Amex/Paypal and 3) two boxes representing cash and Bitcoin - i.e. direct payment from payer to seller with no intermediaries, etc.   In one chart, it explained why Bitcoin was different to everything that has gone before and justified the claim of others that Bitcoin is "cash with wings".   I presented on the conference to some colleagues yesterday evening and used this slide --- it helped their understanding immensely.

I missed Boussac's presentations being more interested in the tech end of things, but got a chance to catch up with him in person.  Paymium either bought or was given coins that I entrusted with ~jav, then either lost or stole them.  This gave me a good reason to wish to meet him.  Pleasant conversation in spite of the misfortune though.

* I was hugely impressed by Gavin.  Beforehand, I wasn't sure what to expect from his "state of the coin" keynote but I thought the tone was just right.  It was essentially a list of: "here are the things I worry about" --- *exactly* what I would expect from a chief architect/lead developer on a complex project.  I thought he got the tone just right

I didn't meet up with him this time, but I've met him in the past.  I'm still waiting for an answer to my question about what he would do if the government 'just said no' to Bitcoin.  No danger of figuring that out at something like the conference though so I was not to surprised.

...

* I caught the end of Erik Voorhee's talk and all of his panel discussion.  Both were excellent. He is extremely eloquent, articulate and thoughtful in how he presents the topic.

Didn't get a chance to say 'Hi' to Erik either, and kind of wanted to since we worked on a minor project in the distant past.  As for being 'thoughtful', if he had done anything more than regurgitate Austrian school hokum and bunkum I'd be shocked.  Again, I found more interesting things to see so I missed his stuff.

---

My favorite presentation was Eli Ben-Sasson's thing.  I can see a large number of places where the work could be applicable to distributed-crypto-currency-like systems and tangential tasks.  I'll be looking forward with great interests to developments in his team's work.



I was wondering if someone was ever going to give a real review of the conference. It's not very informative to constantly hear praise. That just lacks truth. Every time I have watched one of the "key players" questioned they usually appear inexperienced and never are asked the hard questions or put on the spot at all because of your "sucking the presenter" phenomena.
8973  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: U.S. residents no more Dwolla + MtGox now what? on: May 21, 2013, 02:16:35 PM
I've never liked using Gox because of all their send me your birth records BS. Just do a Bank Wire direct to your BTC-e account and then buy btc. You could also use Liberty Reserve.

BTC-e is in the Republic of Bulgaria so I'm pretty sure they don't give a shit what the US gov does. LOL
I didn't know you can bank wire directly to btc-e

You can't.

You could some time ago to their Cyprus bank account, but that was shut down a few months ago.

That's a real disappointment to me. It seems every good service is cut off while shit ones are around forever. Gox is complete shit so they will be around forever with no replacement.
8974  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Where do you store most of your coins for long term storage? on: May 21, 2013, 06:54:28 AM

I think it's probably a good idea to encrypt everything.

This is for the most part very true but there is one senario where it is not namely estate planning.  The idea is to make your Bitcoins available to the executor of your estate after one death but not make them avalible to anyone while one is still alive. I have given this some thought to this and came with the following concept. Store the decyption keys on one or more 5.25in floppy disk(s) and place the floppy disks in one or more bank safety deposit boxes. Advise one's executor and family members where the floppies are stored.

Now after ones death the bank safety deposit box(s) are opened and the executor of the estate gets access to the floppy disks.  A yes it will take some effort and time for the executor put together the hardware and software in order to read the old 5.25in floppy disks quite likely a few weeks; however in this senario this is not a real problem since it can take months to probate an estate in any case.

One the other hand if the bank safety deposit box is compromised while one is still alive, then the obsolete 5.25in floppy disks will slow down an attacker long enough to allow the owner of the Bitcoins to empty the wallet before the attacker can read the old floppy disks even though the attacker has the floppy in their possession.  

I think that's a really good idea and in a way exactly what I used to do before I started using a paper wallet. I had a 4gb Hitachi Microdrive CF that I used in my HP hx4700 pda. The Microdrive was perfect for the pda but will not fit in a standard CF reader because its too wide. I used cheap IDE-CF adapter plugged into the motherboard to load the wallet and stored the Microdrive offsite. My thinking was even if they stole the Microdrive they would have to figure out something to read it with and the only thing it fits in are out of date pda's and cameras which won't read the wallet. That would give me time to discover it missing and transfer funds.
8975  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Where do you store most of your coins for long term storage? on: May 21, 2013, 05:23:33 AM
Here are some places I use as part of a highly redundant Bitcoin backup strategy.

1) 3.5in floppy disks
2) 5.25in floppy disks
3) The hard drives of multiple computers from the most recent to some very old computers including a 30 year old 286, and an old Pentium 1 computer running Windows 3.1. The latter is the only computer running a version of Microsoft Windows that I use for anything related to Bitcoin.
4) Removable USB 3 hard drives
5) 1) + 4) stored in a bank safety deposit box
6) Encrypt the file and store it on multiple email and cloud services in different jurisdictions worldwide.

The idea is to be able to recover the Bticoins under many different scenarious from the mundane hard drive failure to a disaster affecting one's local community or country where not only is one's home wiped out but also one's bank safety deposit box etc.

2) is one of my favorites and is particularly suitable for storing unencrypted private keys. The idea is that if the floppy is stolen one has time to empty the wallet while an attacker is still figuring out how to read the 5.25in floppy disk. To further slow down an attacker  one can hide the floppy containing the Bitcoin keys among many old 5.25in floppy disks forcing an attacker to have to read multiple old floppy disks in order to find the golden needle in the obsolete digital haystack.

Now I know your age because of the 5.25in floppy disks and the old 286. You're somewhere between 50 and 200 years old.  Grin
8976  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Where do you store most of your coins for long term storage? on: May 21, 2013, 04:30:50 AM
Paper wallet for cold storage

There is another option missing: Casascius Coins ^^

Both are bad ideas imho: totally vulnerable to theft, burglary, fire or otherwise loss of coins. And in case of Casascius Coins: can't back them up.

Every btc I mined or purchased through 2011 and 2012 (with the exception of the few I keep on my keychain - about $2000 worth) is in cold storage. Now you might guess that I have more than just a few in a paper wallet. You don't really think I wrote it once on a cocktail napkin and threw it in the kitchen junk drawer do you? LOL

Now, if etotheipi dies, they discontinue Armory, it is no longer available anywhere on the web and I lose my copy I'm probably screwed but I can't really see that happening.
8977  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Why Ripple™ is against everything Bitcoin on: May 20, 2013, 04:34:21 PM
Time and time again, you refuse to come up with actual rational arguments. You can call me a wall as often as you like, but the fact remains that you're not presenting factual arguments. You are arguing against Ripple, the onus is on you to come up with arguments to back up your assertions. That is something you can do unilaterally, so don't blame me if you can't or won't.

This is what they're telling you. You can't argue against ripple because you can't see it. Bitcoin can be seen. The code can be discussed and critiqued. Even if you don't code you can look at the collective discussions of developers and determine its value. You can't do that with Ripple!
8978  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Why Ripple™ is against everything Bitcoin on: May 20, 2013, 04:20:39 PM
Ripple = PointCast Network, here today gone tomorrow.

PointCast was the first company to successfully use push technologies on the Internet. In 1999 EntryPoint acquired PointCast, and in late 2000 EntryPoint merged with Internet Financial Network Inc. to form InfoGate.
8979  Other / Off-topic / Re: Post your local weather girl on: May 20, 2013, 04:08:06 PM
Nothing goes together like weather n bitches! WTF is with Norway?

Note to self: No vacations to Norway!
8980  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Where do you store most of your coins for long term storage? on: May 20, 2013, 03:13:37 PM
Paper wallet for cold storage and 20 btc on a bootable USB stick that I use to buy things that I need/want (like petty cash account).
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