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8981  Other / Off-topic / Re: Post your local weather girl on: May 20, 2013, 05:54:18 AM
8982  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Devil worshipers cult Illuminati (Bilderberg Group) trying to ban Bitcoin on: May 20, 2013, 05:07:05 AM
Devil worshipers cult Illuminati (Bilderberg Group) trying to ban Bitcoin.
They are moving in hard now.

video source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBOLhvuGcPE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Everyone must rise up to take down the Devil worshipers cult Illuminati also known as the (Bilderberg Group) asap!

I have an idea for how to do this... Make a coin that they HAVE to embrace.
The DEVILcoin.
A coin where the symbol is an upside down star/goat, then the word "Coin".

And I nominate Devcoin.
The Illuminati might like a coin with devil imagery and plans for developing mankind.
We already have that but it's called SolidCoin.
8983  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Foundation is TOXIC and must dissolve, plus a call to action on: May 20, 2013, 12:38:43 AM
Markets are self correcting. Consumer desire drives innovation. Someone will step in an hire a developer to continue to advance the software. If you wanted to argue anything you might be able to make a case for continued open source software but I don't even think there is a danger of closing development with TBF.
So you're proposing to make Bitcoin closed source software and sell it? Or package it with ads?
We could just as well retire it completely in that case. It just won't work (no one trusts a closed client). Consumer desire works for easily marketable products, not an experimental cryptocurrency.
And if you don't see value in open source that's fine, but I'm sure there are people here who do.
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FWIW; I donated personally to Gavin late 2012 and was extremely surprise that I appeared to be the FIRST person to do so ever. He doesn't ask for donations, but neither does he refuse them. If bitcoiners weren't such miserly bunch of skinflints then we maybe wouldn't need a 'foundation' to pay him ...
Yep, that's how it goes...


Read the bold part again....
8984  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Foundation is TOXIC and must dissolve, plus a call to action on: May 19, 2013, 10:05:22 PM
I don't know that I agree with that. Private citizens don't generally hire their own developers and compete in the open market. Take Microsoft for example: closed system working for pure profit. When they develop a loser like Microsoft "BOB" no one buys it and they lose money. It's in their best interest to ensure they are catering to consumers. Bitcoin businesses are no different. If they pay a developer to produce something that the user-base dislikes it will fail. Free market economies are pretty self correcting.
The elephant in the room is that many people are setting up successful businesses on top of Bitcoin, but no one is paying the developers of the infrastructure itself. At least not the user-facing parts. The network will be fine, for example Jeff Garzik was just hired by Bitpay.

This may mean that, for example, Bitcoin-Qt will no longer be maintained at a certain point and only the bitcoind will remain. It's not the case now, but I can see myself moving on to something else if I don't find a way to fund its development (through the Bitcoin Foundation or otherwise).

Markets are self correcting. Consumer desire drives innovation. Someone will step in an hire a developer to continue to advance the software. If you wanted to argue anything you might be able to make a case for continued open source software but I don't even think there is a danger of closing development with TBF.
8985  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Foundation is TOXIC and must dissolve, plus a call to action on: May 19, 2013, 08:27:56 PM
Wouldn't hurt my feelings to have a user group.

Great.

I watch the forums very carefully because I have money in the game.

I just started (account at MtGox funded a few days ago after three weeks waiting to be verified). And after I funded my account I read a thread started by retep (a developer) and got really frightened. He was advocating regulation.

Even a user entity that does nothing but track political and economic happenings and sends out daily emails would have value to me.

This user entity should go further and ''buy out'' developers from BTF (this will be easy as they already have worked for free).

I don't know that I agree with that. Private citizens don't generally hire their own developers and compete in the open market. Take Microsoft for example: closed system working for pure profit. When they develop a loser like Microsoft "BOB" no one buys it and they lose money. It's in their best interest to ensure they are catering to consumers. Bitcoin businesses are no different. If they pay a developer to produce something that the user-base dislikes it will fail. Free market economies are pretty self correcting.
8986  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Foundation is TOXIC and must dissolve, plus a call to action on: May 19, 2013, 08:09:44 PM
Bitcoin can succeed without lobbyists.

With lobbyists Bitcoin will fail. In fact Bitcoin has been doing very well without them.

Bitcoin can succeed without TBF. They are just an action group focusing on the needs of Bitcoin businesses.

Maybe an organization is needed to do a job of an action group for retail users of Bitcoin, not business users?

but what other funded group is there right now? Mind you, i'm not trying to argue for or against BTF here, just trying to be practical about the alternatives.  

Let's fund one.

They don't represent me but I don't have a business so I don't have a voice and I didn't join the club.

If a new ''organization'' gets set up, you certainly could have a voice, with your money. You and other retail users of Bitcoin could crowd-finance features of their interest.

With this new money, we could convince developers to work for the new organization for money rather than (i) for BTF for free or (ii) businesses for money and political whoring.

Wouldn't hurt my feelings to have a user group. I watch the forums very carefully because I have money in the game. Close monitoring has already allowed me to watch a crash happening once and profit by selling on the down trend and buying at the bottom. Even a user entity that does nothing but track political and economic happenings and sends out daily emails would have value to me.
8987  Other / Off-topic / Re: Trendon Shavers taunts those he stole from on: May 19, 2013, 08:00:26 PM
Laughing all the way from the tumbler to the bank. Did you see the truck photo? Sweet truck worth about $60k fully loaded.
8988  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Foundation is TOXIC and must dissolve, plus a call to action on: May 19, 2013, 07:43:21 PM
for the whole lobbying government to help free market and entrepeuners, i would prefer to use the people in new hampshire as oppose to the bitcoin foundation as they seem to have a community philospohy, where as the bitcoin foundation as a more commercial philosophy.

the only way to change that is not by arguing against them, but to change them from within.. that goes for the foundation and government departments

The issue, of course, is who is going to fund the lobbying effort. The commercial groups fund it because it helps them make money. Since they are setting up to make lots of money, they have investors who will fund lobbying as another business cost.

A "community philosophy" on the other hand is not commercial. It takes visionary altruists to be willing to fund this on a large scale. I'm sure, given the right approach, that they can be found. But someone has to be willing to invest the time, energy, and brain power, to work out the mechanics. I don't want to be pessimistic here, but I'm not seeing the coordination that can lead to this outcome thus far.

Bitcoin can succeed without lobbyists.

Bitcoin can succeed without TBF. They are just an action group focusing on the needs of Bitcoin businesses.

FWIW, I should be clear that I'm not talking about Bitcoin here as much as the interface between Bitcoin and Fiat. They really are two different things to my mind.  Bitcoin doesn't have to have a lobby -- but loses the chance to have influence in the discussion if it doesn't. The BTF doesn't have to be the representative organization, but what other funded group is there right now? Mind you, i'm not trying to argue for or against BTF here, just trying to be practical about the alternatives. 

I'm not arguing for or against them either. There is nothing wrong with a group of professional business people having a representative org. They don't represent me but I don't have a business so I don't have a voice and I didn't join the club. Because many here are not members or business owners I think this whole discussion should be on the TBF forum where members do rightfully have a voice.
8989  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Foundation is TOXIC and must dissolve, plus a call to action on: May 19, 2013, 07:29:50 PM
for the whole lobbying government to help free market and entrepeuners, i would prefer to use the people in new hampshire as oppose to the bitcoin foundation as they seem to have a community philospohy, where as the bitcoin foundation as a more commercial philosophy.

the only way to change that is not by arguing against them, but to change them from within.. that goes for the foundation and government departments

The issue, of course, is who is going to fund the lobbying effort. The commercial groups fund it because it helps them make money. Since they are setting up to make lots of money, they have investors who will fund lobbying as another business cost.

A "community philosophy" on the other hand is not commercial. It takes visionary altruists to be willing to fund this on a large scale. I'm sure, given the right approach, that they can be found. But someone has to be willing to invest the time, energy, and brain power, to work out the mechanics. I don't want to be pessimistic here, but I'm not seeing the coordination that can lead to this outcome thus far.

Bitcoin can succeed without lobbyists.

Bitcoin can succeed without TBF. They are just an action group focusing on the needs of Bitcoin businesses.
8990  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Foundation is TOXIC and must dissolve, plus a call to action on: May 19, 2013, 07:25:41 PM
I need someone to clarify something for me: what power does the bitcoin foundation actually have? 

Political none - monetary some - consensus some but not enough to have a mandate to do anything.
8991  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Foundation is TOXIC and must dissolve, plus a call to action on: May 19, 2013, 04:10:12 PM
Isn't this a Foundation issue better discussed among the membership than in open forum? TBF represents TBF interests. They do not represent the interests of all users. TBF represents a subset of American users that have donated to be a part of that group. TBF has its own forum where members can discuss Foundation interests which obviously don't coincide with the interests of all users or everyone would be a member. Soliciting involvement from non members is pointless because they already don't believe TBF represents them or they would have joined.
8992  Other / Off-topic / Re: The Story Game on: May 19, 2013, 02:44:19 PM

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Once upon a time, there was a Jesus. She walked out unadorned. Then, as bagpipes blared and didgeridoos fell, the star exploded.

Enter the vassals, creating comically obscene gestures with cryptocurrencies. Jesus cried!

Andy B. Casagrande immortalized the scene with photography. Space robots had been shoving corn vicariously into other crevices, hoping that Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis... perhaps silicosis, or QueerOsis, or trees could accomplish impossible synchronizations.

Fifteen wishes weren't exceptionally productive. She touched herself vigorously with tremendous pillows; creaming out butter flavored LiteCoins. Ironically, Bitcoins never lowered the dust limit so that Luke-Jr would be anally probed by martians invading us to steal our fish for little did we know, Fish is the solution to all our global problems! Seamen relentlessly fapped out the next generation of ASICS which actually works without any electricity at all. Powered by shipwrecks, signals meant that mermaids knew cryptographic encryption algorithms' weaknesses in theory but, in reality, Rpietila gave all.

Thursday passed without BFL taking the biggest shit, which when combined with their largest fanboy, Atlas, every miner stabbed Satoshi irregardless. Meanwhile, trolls eating crow poop, crow testicles, and God's vagina laughed.

Artichokes roasted sweetly over flaming gays, joyfully prepared numerously spiced blockchains sacrificing virgins disregarding matter. Therefore Jesus announced peasantry raping holidays. Upon reflection, Jesus quixotically decided retroactively somewhere in Reptilia's bosom to fuck an ant hill and myrkul touched himself feverishly ravishing all pillows! Lophie touched electrically his "contacts", pondering why her earlobes looked so tasty dipped in mustard sauce from Meze's toilet. Meanwhile, under scrutiny from DHS, MTGox got DDOS'ed by CIA bots, Chinese pygmies licked thousands, drooling custard from cracks forgone.

Alas, we combusted gloriously into eternity with malevolent douchenozzles. Faunlets screamed condescendingly into their rapists' buttholes. Nymphet's carefully propositioned orgies began fondling Eminem's mobile phone until climax commenced. Jailbaits serendipitously surrounded Clinton's ASICS with their pussy cats. "STOP!" The sign clearly said across a dark alley. Cheese fell curiously from long faces, inedible, moldy, green, and cheesy testicles blossomed into uncanny tsundoku associations. Yanderes' throbbing cunts glistened
8993  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin will be made illegal under gambling law on: May 19, 2013, 08:21:30 AM
Hey, I've got a good idea. I want to run into a Hells Angels bar and yell, "all you pussy bikers suck." Yeah, that's what I want to do.
8994  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin 2013: The Future of Payments - San Jose, CA - May 17-19, 2013 on: May 19, 2013, 08:10:13 AM
Thanks for the photos. I should claim that I look like a young Brad Pitt but honestly i look a little like Tuxavant. He's a handsome fellow, isn't he? lol

Rassah, you look exactly like I thought you would. Very professional. Love the power tie.

I'm so disappointed that I couldn't make it. I knew early in 2011 that I found something great when I found Bitcoin. I started buying and mining them as fast as I could. Congratulations to all involved. It looks like Bitcoin has made it big time.
8995  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin 2013: The Future of Payments - San Jose, CA - May 17-19, 2013 on: May 19, 2013, 06:21:22 AM
I enjoy meeting people from the forum in person to finally put a face to a name. So far the forum members I've talked to include:

cypherdoc
mindtomatter
aantonop
etotheipi
maaku
JoelKatz
CoinHoarder
Gavin Andresen
misterbigg
gmaxwell
Luke-Jr

...and several others whose handles I can not remember.

OMG - Luke-Jr is there! Does he really look like his photos? That's the one person I would really like to meet. LOL
8996  Other / Off-topic / Re: What is your favorite movie to code to? on: May 19, 2013, 05:54:41 AM
If you would all get off this forum and start coding you'd be finished by now.

I like Hair the Musical or A Clockwork Orange. Rocky Horror Picture Show if I'm really stuck on one Java line and I can't invoke class.
8997  Other / Off-topic / Re: Theymos is Satoshi. PROOF INSIDE! on: May 19, 2013, 05:45:14 AM
No, probably not. We just need to talk about something else other that the usual Josh/BFL circlejerk.

Other than bitcoin, what have you guys been up to recently? Trying to get my CCW, and find a new apartment. Drinkin a gin and tonic right not.

I hope if your drinking gin you are not trying to get your CCW right this minute (practice putting your gun in your waste band holster drunk and shoot your dick off). LOL
8998  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I Think I Know Who Satoshi Is on: May 19, 2013, 05:35:06 AM
does it really matter who satoshi is,

how many know or care who alexander hamilton or King Offa of Mercia are and want to meet up with these guys for what they done.

just accept it an entity with a name made something.. now enjoy the rewards. knowing their true identity wont change anything and even knowing who, most of the forum readers here would not even do anything beyond it. so how about concentrate all your mind sets on main streaming bitcoin instead of who created it.



It may matter if/when bitcoin becomes more mainstream. Already I've heard/seen A LOT of people discredit bitcoin or say it may be a scam simply based on the fact that no one knows who created it.  That certainly can be a concern for the legitimacy of bitcoin in the future if it wants mainstream adoption.   Or it might now matter at all,  but I've already seen US regulators bring up this fact when talking about bitcoin and wanting to further regulate it, they seem weary of something where they don't know the creator for whatever reason.

I have never read that anywhere and I've been trolling this forum for years. It would be neat to find out who he really is and even better to be able to ask him questions but if he's not found I don't think it's a big deal.
8999  Other / Meta / Re: Please report newbies who are copying old posts on: May 19, 2013, 04:57:39 AM
People have completely lost their imagination. Sad really.
9000  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I Think I Know Who Satoshi Is on: May 19, 2013, 03:51:28 AM
does it really matter who satoshi is,

how many know or care who alexander hamilton or King Offa of Mercia are and want to meet up with these guys for what they done.

just accept it an entity with a name made something.. now enjoy the rewards. knowing their true identity wont change anything and even knowing who, most of the forum readers here would not even do anything beyond it. so how about concentrate all your mind sets on main streaming bitcoin instead of who created it.


But you would like to meet them if they were alive!

I wouldn't mind meeting Britney Spears (Will.i.am tells me she's a whore).
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