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901  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Online Gambling vs Real Gambling on: December 14, 2016, 06:47:55 AM
Online gambling is a form of gambling. I am not sure what you meant by real gambling. As far as I am concerned, real gambling is the act of risking your money on an odd that you are aware of and potentially making a profit.

If thats the definition of gambling, then online gambling is indeed real gambling.

I think what the OP is trying to mean is real gambling is refer to real world gambling, live casino, casino setup in physical land so that you can travel to the place to gamble. while online is referring to the digital gambling setup in a website.
902  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: do you can control your self when playing gambling? on: December 14, 2016, 06:45:35 AM
I adhere to utmost control and discipline when it comes to gambling. It's very addictive to gamble so weigh yourself before you embark on it.

Always calm yourself down for every bet that you make. It is the same logic as shopping during crazy sale. People will tend to buy more during the sales as it looks more attractive to buy things as the sale tap on the mental state. Similarly, gambling itself also tap on the mental state to urge people to bet more. Dont follow the speed of the game, take time off every few hands and cool yourself down.
903  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin the future of online gambling? on: December 14, 2016, 06:42:57 AM
Yes I think it is the future of gambling because it can be used globally and due to that it would be nice to use it for online gambling too plus transactions are also fast and anonymous.
fast transactions only one of the main things advantages using bitcoin but i think using bitcoin is not fully anonymous because someone else still can trace your wallet and indeed gambling online was so popular because people no need to provide their personal ID and you only just signup and confirmations email then you can start to gambling as you want

Even some btc casino is able to let you bet without creating any account at all. All they need is actually your btc address to cash in the wins. I would not have think that such thing is possible before the age of btc.
904  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Bitcoin Gambling Investments on: December 14, 2016, 06:41:08 AM
Yeah hopefully the invested sites don't change a lot over the future. Unlucky with BetKing, although the ICO is interesting.

Very interested in how KingDice goes...

This is a good thread for people who want to enter into investing casino bankrolls. Actually, since last few months, overall earnings is not that great but still got decent profits compared to other kinds of investments. The main good thing is diversifying your funds to reduce your losses and to increase your chances of making profit if any one or two sites don't perform as per your expectations.

As we can see from the chart, a handful of them are not profiting, while some is slowly gaining and there may even have some btc casino is on a bad running state. In general, the house edge will work, but when to time it is impossible, so by investing in the long run than we can see the profit coming in.
905  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BetKing.io ICO - Bitcoin Gambling website - 581.4 BTC raised so far on: December 14, 2016, 06:14:19 AM

If Dean chooses the capital raising via a dilution of shares, he will still own 70% of the total company value, including what’s on the balance sheet and in the case of 2000bitcoin, he would own 1400btc in equity.


Regarding the above point, the 2k btc is a representation of the value of 30% of the company value, not the whole value. Dean also have mentioned that if the raised amount is 2000 btc, he has to sold the whole company at ~8000btc so that the 30% of investors will at least get back their original amount.

So in this case, assuming it successful raised 2.1k btc which will represent the 30% of the company, dean will automatically has the '70% stocks' worth of 4.9k. And this create also a bigger problem, the investors are not just investing to try to grab a bit in the profit like the old ways of betking. Now they also have to consider the estimate price of the whole betking and invest accordingly, otherwise if it is overvalue, it will turn out the 30% share will be traded lower than the ICO price and if dean want to raise more amount by selling his own share, it will 'add' more shares into the existing 30% market and further diluate the market.

This is the just the individual risk assessment that i made for myself.
906  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can I use my small amount for GAMBLING? on: December 14, 2016, 01:36:03 AM
there is nothing wrong with using a small amount when betting, or gambling. in fact, I feel that it is the best choice when you do not have money and want to gamble. Well, bet with a high amount when you have no money, is not a wise choice, because it can make you stress when you lose in the play.
I agree with you . the important thing is how we play. when we can take advantage of the few opportunities we can benefit. not just a little, we can benefit greatly. even many-fold compared with our capital.

As a matter of fact, this type of betting is the most safe way of gambling. Because if you are a wise gambler you won't bet too high whether you are a long time gambler or not unless you are rich enough then you will gamble with high bets. But if you are just gambling what you afford to lose and just for fun, then gambling for small amount is the best thing to do.

Gambling is only for pure entertainment, so you should spend only those amount that you can afford to lose. It is never meant to be use as a tool to generate more money and if you start to think of that, you will end up chasing your losses all the time and you will use those amount that you cant afford to use and ended up in trouble.
907  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Online Gambling vs Real Gambling on: December 14, 2016, 01:32:52 AM
I guess it's almost the same comparing the two. In online gambling, you are just not physically there. The possibilities of risk are less compared when you're in a casino. No people would be staring at you, but there are also instances of hacking when you've exposed yourself with your money. I would prefer online still.

If i am to talk about safety, i would actually choose to play in real world casino because i got to control the chips and the physical counter to exchange for cash and chips are always there. So it wont be a day that i have tons of chips and the next day i woke up to find that the casino is no longer there and i end up with useless chips. This is true for online casino whereby a lot of these casino can disappear overnight and you have lost everything.
908  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Putting money in lottery is gambling too? on: December 14, 2016, 01:29:33 AM
Lottery is a form of gambling. You are basically using money to hope that you can generate a lot more money by relying on luck only. And that is what gambling is all about, using luck to play the games.

Also to it that this is the most difficult game for me, because this is totally basing 100% to the luck of their players. There is no certain way and strategy to know on how you are going to win and beat this game. But if you are very lucky enough and your numbers are picked, be happy man for you are an instant rich person.

Of course, that is why so many people want to play lottery even though it has one of the highest house edge. The stories of many people becoming millionaires do sure attract a lot of people to dream. However, the expected duration to win lottery one time is about 9 lives. So basically, you have to live for 9 different lives and bet everytime in lottery from age 0 to old, you are expected to win around 1 time only.
909  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BetKing.io ICO - Bitcoin Gambling website - 581.4 BTC raised so far on: December 14, 2016, 01:25:41 AM
But what you have say does not make sense to me.

Base on past betking history, betking has huge volumes so there will be great up and down. An example is 1st period: +500btc, 2nd period: -200btc, 3rd period: +600btc, 4th period:-200 etc. Within a year, the bankroll will drop to 1.6k etc. So this system does not grow the bankroll but it will only keep depleting until?Huh??

Selling and loaning 30% of the company is different from what i understand. If you are selling 30% of the company to rise the bankroll of 2k btc.

Let say you sell the empty company(without bankroll) for 3k btc and there is still bankroll of 1.5k btc, the investors will get only 30% of 4.5k btc(3k+1.5k) because that is the total asset of the company.

But if you are talking about loaning the 2k btc to use as bank loan and in return you give them a share of the company,  then the company should use partial profit to pay back the 2k btc loan and the other partial profit to given as dividend back to the company and the remaining keep as emergency funds.

This is what i understand from stock, and the difference between bank loan/bonds and investors.
910  Economy / Services / Re: ♠ BETCOIN.AG ♠ Signature Campaign - High Pay - Monthly Payments - Bonuses ♠ on: December 05, 2016, 02:36:42 AM
Received my payment. Thanks as usual. Cant believe that i have been here for a year in betcoin. I have moved house and i just proposed to my gf. All within a year and betcoin has been together with me. Thanks a lot.

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911  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BetKing.io ICO - Bitcoin Gambling website on: November 30, 2016, 05:22:10 PM
Why there's no escrow for this ICO?

You invest in the website, this website runs for year, and this project is hosted by the owner of website itself, therefore i guess no escrow needed maybe

I think it's also a coin
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BetKing will create 100,000,000 tokens (100 million) to represent 100% shares of BetKing.

Escrow is the only protection against scam, so any ICO without escrow is just more risky.



But the difference here is that in the first place, a lot of people are investing in betking site previously with up to 4000 btc. So in this case, betking is quite confidence that he is able to rise a significant amount without any escrow as he already have proven that he has handle the btc well for yrs.
912  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin price increase attributed to rising Chinese demand for cryptocurrency on: November 30, 2016, 02:08:45 PM
It is good for introducing us to this video. It is not those who intense trying to push bitcoin but it is more about understanding how the china thinks about bitcoin. China used to have pushed btc over 1000usd and we knew that china can do wonders if they want.
913  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BetKing.io ICO - Bitcoin Gambling website on: November 30, 2016, 01:32:36 PM
I want to ask if the ICO raised more than 2000BTC, the Betking.io will still hold on to the 70% of the shares or they will release part of their shares to investors.

Regardless whether the ICO raise more than 2000btc or not, 30% of the share will be given to the investors. It is just that if the amount raise is higher, you will get less share because you contribute a lesser percentage. Similar you will get more if the amount is lesser.
914  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] BetKing.io ICO - Bitcoin Gambling website on: November 30, 2016, 01:16:09 PM
Hey, sorry if it is a stupid question,
But what exactly gives value to the shares? I mean how is it decided in case someone wants to sell his shares.
And the three montly dividends, is it payed in btc or in the form as shares?


It is determine by supply and demand. At first, you will be given shares and by calculating how many btc you put in and the share given, you can find out the cost of each share and that would be usually the starting price of the market. However, demand or supply in the market will change over time so the price of the share will go up or down.
915  Economy / Services / Re: ♠ BETCOIN.AG ♠ Signature Campaign - High Pay - Monthly Payments - Bonuses ♠ on: November 28, 2016, 11:58:13 PM
I appreciate the policy changes as my post count is always at lower side.

I am happy too because these few months i will be super busy. Dec is the only time i can have my holiday and that means that i have a super pack oct and nov to rush finish all my work so i can have my holiday in dec.

And someone mention about changing to weekly, the reason why i love to be in betcoin campaign is due to its monthly period. Sometime, i have to be oversea for work and that means i may be away for days or even a week. That is why FJ and the other campaign with weekly payment is not what i want.
916  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Bitcoin Gambling Investments on: November 27, 2016, 06:34:26 PM
These results re just pure luck, there s no way anyone ll see 1000 BTC lost by one single person again as it happened on Betking a few months ago. So these graphs represent PURE LUCK and nothing more.

CryptoGames seems to be showing pretty consistent results without abrupt declines. I think this is what we should expect on average from house edge coupled with proper management of the bankroll. I'm more interested why the two outsiders in the review are not giving any profits. I mean Satoshi Dice and MoneyPot.

gambling is always pure luck so investing in a gambling site (against the gamblers) is also pure luck. that is an obvious enough fact that everybody knows. but that doesn't mean you can not make profit in the long run. the only thing that you should do is to find a good site which is both popular and fair and then invest what you can afford to lose.

Wrong. It is pure luck minus house edge for the gamblers, and plus house edge for the casino and investors in its bankroll

I think Satoshi Dice and Moneypot could not get the betting volume with regards to the size of their bankrolls and thus were flat.

It is not about betting volume. In this case, moneypot has been made a lot of profit and it is a matter of time when the players will make a huge win. That is why moneypot has been losing money recently due to the huge previous win for the first half of the year. The daily wages is actually quite decent.
Think about what you are saying, that would be like predicting the future, with those logics betking Will lose again because they had a good 3 months, that's not how it works, just think about all the variables and the luck.
It's just as unlogical as trying to calculate profit based on house edge. and in a way what your saying is the same as predicting profit. A year is waaay to small to use the law of large numbers

I am unable to predict when the casino will make money and when it is not. However, i am still using data and making some pattern recognition out of it. I invested in both moneypot and betking and i have keep track very closely for both of them even more than what you have seen here. You only see the result of betking but if you really keep track of these 3 months week by week, you will understand more. Do you know that even though betking you see is overall having good profit, there are 1 month in these 3 month it is losing money? This is what Variance is but like what most of us say, it will still tend towards the house edge. This happen to be the same person who have been taking profit from the betking for days until he lose a lot eventually and this explain why there is a good boost in the 2nd month. Similarly, when the thread starter start his first investment, betking make a huge profit(about 1000btc) within one week, and hua_hui already start telling people that is not an accurate projection. This is because it is exactly betking has been losing the pervious 1.5 months in almost every single day to these whales who is using martingale that is taking profit but in the long run, the house edge will creep in and this cause these exact same whale to lose heavily.

As i have keep track of my betking investment week by week for almost 6 months, i would have to say that i am quite happy that i did the research. And the reason why i also dont like to share is because I am sure people will disagree and argue no matter what, so I just keep the information to myself and save the trouble to talk to this. This is the big difference of people doing proper research and people who dont.
917  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Online Gambling vs Real Gambling on: November 27, 2016, 06:21:51 PM
For real gambling need big money, for online gambling need little and can make micro bets..

It is very true. For real gambling, sometime one hand has to cost a min of USD$50 to play. But if you are gambling on btc casino, you can bet as low as 1mbtc and it is worth like a few dollars. That is why btc gambling is so attractive. You can play a lot even you have small amount of money.
918  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: To Gamble or To Invest? on: November 27, 2016, 06:18:26 PM
I always want to increase my earning ,i enjoy to invest and earn from it.I know i cant always win but it has more chances of winning than gambling.We all know gambling only depend on luck but trading depends on our skills,market knowledge etc.So on trading we have much control than gambling.So thats why i like trading not gambling.


Me too. So far, i have quite good results from investing and totally nothing but losses for gambling. The power of house edge is very significant and that is why with investment to have the house edge on your side, it is likely to profit from it.
919  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: MY gambling strategy to limit loss and make btc on: November 27, 2016, 06:17:09 PM
No matter how much you limit your loss it is still a loss and when you do sum up it gets bigger lessen it with your won bets the chances of having a loss are still higher than profit. Plus you cannot guarantee a win with that self control you were talking. Another thing be careful about withdrawing your amounts to coinbase , as far as i know they wont allow funds from gambling


Regards,
That's right. It is hard to beat the house edge. They always know how to derive money from your pocket. You will become more and more greedy when you are on the winning streak. And you will soon lose all of your money
Coinbase only prevents users from betting, they do not avoid gambling such dice, jack black,etc

That is how good the system is really working right now. It is develop to allow you to win everytime you bet small but when you try to increase it things work not what as it seems tho.

Then coinbase must be pathetic. They do not allow betting , dice ,blak jack etc any kind of gambling requires gamblers to bet amount. They should have known it

You get so many facts wrong over here. When you are betting small, nobody say you can win. The odd is still the same whether you bet small or big. The thing is you will tend to lose because of house edge. What we are saying is that some people lose when they bet small, they end up bet big to try to recover their losses and they loss even more.
920  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What is your gambling strategy on: November 27, 2016, 06:12:34 PM
Well, I don't normally play any game with a house edge and I try not to get my money in on a bet with a negative expected value.  There are times when I will take a little more risk than I take otherwise....when I think that I can take advantage of the conditions of a game, such as when I have the big stack in a poker tournament, I might bully the other players out a little more than usual.  But, I don't like taking big risks....and....I always do the math before committing my cash!

I also dont gamble with negative expected value as it will may that i will end up losing insead of winning. So it is choosing the right game and most of the games i dont play cause the house edge really put us at a disadvantage.
All casino games are a good advantage to house edge, So if you want to play less house edge advantage games then play sports betting. Here your result depends on your knowledge and skills. It's 50-50 chance for both players and house. My strategy is I will pick only selected games and if I am sure about the game or player I will put my bet or else I just stay back with that match.

It is not 50-50 chance for sport gambling. It is a common mistake that people tend to think that there are no house edge on sport betting. It is not obvious but there is. That is why even when you bet with all the odds, you still get back lesser. It is just that with proper research, you can rise your chance of winning by a lot and thus you can have positive expected value.
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