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921  Economy / Speculation / Re: UP UP UP on: December 31, 2011, 01:16:30 PM
gonna be big when we break 5!

thats a huge psychological barrier.

And a huge technical barrier, which should become support after passage.
922  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Great Bitcoin New Year's Eve Rally on: December 31, 2011, 12:43:04 PM
I stayed up until 5am last night waiting for this, and then it goes and happens right after I wake up. Typical.

Um, I thought you were waiting for it to go down?  I was even on the fence, to be honest.  The resistance at $5 was strong. 

Anyone awake this early is very lucky to have a last opportunity to get in before $5.
923  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Great Bitcoin New Year's Eve Rally on: December 31, 2011, 12:22:28 PM
Ho lee shit...

We are the market makers.  And we are the dreamers of the dream.
924  Economy / Speculation / Re: Major correction to rally coming... on: December 31, 2011, 01:13:00 AM
I'm glad to hear that some people cashing out and holding USD right now.  We'll have these conservative, impatient traders to thank for pushing this thing past $5 as they're chasing the rally (if we rally, that is).

Conservative, impatient traders? Isn't that a bit of an oxymoron?

Yea, I suppose.  A patient trader ought to be equally patient to buy as to sell.  But a conservative trader will be quicker on the sell.  That'll protect him from a bear market, but in a bull market he'll tend to lose potential gains.  During the infamous bubble of April-June, my risk profile was upside-down (lost gains during the bull, then was unprotected for the bear), which only helped to inflate the bubble.

Being conservative is smart, but that's easy to forget when you're chasing a rally.  If you have an appetite for risk, better to let it taper off as your gains increase, rather than build up as they pass on by.

To me, it seems just as likely that those who are holding btc will end up pushing the price down further when they sell into a falling market.

I guess I'll agree here.  Whether you buy into a rising market or sell into a falling one, you're equally guilty of pushing the market further from equilibrium. 

Oh and if we rally? What do you think has been happening for the past 30+ days?

Retracing the early October drop from $5?

925  Economy / Speculation / Re: $4.5 is coming! on: December 30, 2011, 11:53:59 PM
Sideways consolidation for now, but the moment of truth is near.



We could sail right through the red resistance, or a little drop could bounce us off the black trendline to breakout upwards.

If this first attempt to break through $5 fails, we'll correct towards $3 and bounce back up for a second attempt later.
926  Economy / Speculation / Re: Major correction to rally coming... on: December 30, 2011, 06:54:11 AM
I'm glad to hear that some people cashing out and holding USD right now.  We'll have these conservative, impatient traders to thank for pushing this thing past $5 as they're chasing the rally (if we rally, that is).
927  Economy / Speculation / Re: Major correction to rally coming... on: December 29, 2011, 08:50:49 AM
A correction is coming, but it will be from closer to $10, back down towards the new support (which will be the old resistance that we are facing now: $5).

The pattern since the 20th, broke out of a symmetric triangle (itself a continuation pattern), and has formed an ascending triangle (an even stronger continuation pattern).  So the indicator is that the trend will continue, and by now its pretty obvious what the trend is.
928  Economy / Speculation / Re: "No Reserve" explanation on: December 29, 2011, 08:42:01 AM
I'm pretty sure that real world brokerages have access to really quick short term loans.

Yup.  Real brokerages have capital which is loaned to customers, so they can buy on margin.  If that starts running out because the customers are net long, they'll raise more by increasing the margin requirements.  

That's what COMEX did at least twice over the past year (2011), probably because traders' net positions on silver and gold were too long for them.

Each time COMEX raised margins it triggered corrections in gold and silver (some quite severe), but that's because COMEX was the market.  I wouldn't expect this Bitcoinica issue to trigger a correction in bitcoin, because bitcoinica isn't the market (MtGox is).

what was the magic solution, BTW?

More people opened short positions because Zhou alerted that so many folks were long, and they wanted to be contrarians.  

Also, some folks who were long on bitcoinica probably closed their positions because of the hiccup.  Even if they withdrew their funds, less people long at 1:5 margin, is more margin available.

929  Economy / Speculation / Re: Major correction to rally coming... on: December 25, 2011, 07:19:10 PM
There really isn't a way to know this, but looking at the 1 minute charts it almost looks like somebody sold 18k BTC, the price immediately bounced back and began moving slightly up with strong support and the person who sold panicked and bought back in.  That's wildly speculative, but, hey, that's what this place is for, right?

If you're talking about that initial pop above $4, the buy was first and it was about 10k BTC.  The sell followed immediately afterwards and it was about 9k BTC.  But then the bids filled up really quick.

Here comes Santa Claus, here comes Santa Claus
Right down Santa Claus lane..
930  Economy / Speculation / Re: Major correction to rally coming... on: December 25, 2011, 10:05:59 AM
MtGoxLive shows about 10,000 btc volume at the peak, and about 18,500 at the trough, so the sell was almost equal in magnitude to the buy as far as I can tell.

Ah, yes it seems you are correct.  Hmm.. *ponders bot algorithm*
931  Economy / Speculation / Re: Major correction to rally coming... on: December 25, 2011, 09:37:25 AM
And I think it was the toothfairy who sold immediately after.

No, that was just a bot and it was very low volume.  

The buy took out a $30k wall at $4.0 and up to $4.10, it was over $50k in total.  And it was Santa Claus.
932  Economy / Speculation / Re: Major correction to rally coming... on: December 25, 2011, 08:47:17 AM
I think Santa just bought that $30k wall at $4.00.  

*ahem
933  Economy / Speculation / Re: over $3! almost 50% gain in 72 hours! on: December 25, 2011, 08:37:33 AM
Agreed! Plus there is much lower risk in doing it like that.
I sort of play a double game. I have large(er) bids out in the outskirts to catch the big swings, then I play with a smaller pile of BTC at short spreads to play the normal fluctuations. And, I know! Trading on noise can be futile, but so far, I've done pretty well. Even with the obvious "Price Enforcement".

Managing the risk of your portfolio like that is smart, and requires good discipline.  It's about your appetite for risk.

Of course, low risk equals low rewards.  But high risk can equal high losses.  That's why I stay off bitcoinica, so I never get zhoutonged if I'm wrong.
934  Economy / Speculation / Re: Long-term market reversal? on: December 25, 2011, 08:19:10 AM
It could be considered fiat in the sense that code is law.
935  Economy / Speculation / Re: over $3! almost 50% gain in 72 hours! on: December 25, 2011, 03:50:11 AM

Selling high and buying low, as a strategy to double to your holdings, works well in a downtrend.  But in an uptrend, you're more likely to be forced to buy in higher.  You'll end up halving your holdings instead of doubling them.  And the higher it goes, so increases the value of what you lost.


That's an important point. It's easy to increase bitcoin holdings on a downtrend.. But then the same would be achieved without daytrading if you sold in July and bought again in November.

Well, if you had a crystal ball that told you to do that (or you were a very good trader), then you would have achieved gains much, much higher.

There's nothing easier than armchair trading.  It's pretty obvious in retrospect.
936  Economy / Speculation / Re: Major correction to rally coming... on: December 25, 2011, 03:01:10 AM

As you can see on the chart, we have had an RSI of over 70 for the past 6 days, with 32 days of positive divergence on the MCAD, and we are currently trading along the top range of the bollinger band. We hit a resistance of $4.5, bounced off it, and have had very weak buying activity since then.


OK, now look at the weekly RSI.

(Not that the RSI and bollinger bands have been the most reliable predictors of bitcoin price changes in the past).

And as for the bounce from $4.5, I prefer to see it as very weak selling activity since then.  Similar to just before, when it was hanging around $3.20 for a while, before the pop to $4.5.
937  Economy / Speculation / Re: Major correction to rally coming... on: December 25, 2011, 12:44:29 AM
The correction already happened, from $4.5 to $3.5.

The major players are too smart to take a dump on the rally this early, me thinks.  They'll bide their time, and wait till $10, at the least.  If we're going there, it will be sooner rather than later.
938  Economy / Speculation / Re: over $3! almost 50% gain in 72 hours! on: December 25, 2011, 12:39:00 AM
Why not sell $4? To a speculator, price is only a relative term. Sell higher than you paid + fees. If you think the price will drop, then why not sell and buy more later.

Why not? I don't know about you, but watching MtGoxLive all day does not seem to be worth my while. Contracting in the range of EUR 60-90 per hour and simply keeping the position until Bitcoin is THE currency seems a much better strategy to me. I trust that Bitcoin will yield >100% a year, the next 10 years. Without doing anything.

Daytrading with $5 Million may be different, but it seems to me that no one is doing that. There must be some trading with 100K, but most seem to trade with less than $1K. You guys are wasting your time.

I don't think I'm wasting my time. If I can double my holdings, then that is double the thousands when a BTC is worth $1000. I started with my first 60 mined BTC. I have since turned that into a fairly large holding with only a small cost from mining the first 60. When we saw very large amounts of volatility in previous months, I was nearly doubling my normal income. Then I decided that I wanted more BTC, not the dollars, so I double down any chance I get.
I trade with <$100k and >$1k.

At $4, a small change in price is a much larger percentage than the same change at $32. So, if anything, it would be more important to keep a close eye on the price at $4, then it was at $32. I'm not a fan of 50% loss. If I can avoid it, I will.

Well, IF you can double your holdings, it will be double the thousands when BTC is worth a mere $10.

But, for me the downside to daytrading isn't having to watch MtGoxLive all day.  Its the upside risk of selling.

Selling high and buying low, as a strategy to double to your holdings, works well in a downtrend.  But in an uptrend, you're more likely to be forced to buy in higher.  You'll end up halving your holdings instead of doubling them.  And the higher it goes, so increases the value of what you lost.

During a strong pop, you won't be able to buy in where you sold.  And if you trade every time you get an itch, you'll lose the spread (which is worse than the fees).  If you're confident, then just hang on tight during an uptrend.

And remember, think logarithmically.  It was $2 to $4 with a stop at $3, because that was counter-trend.  But, if/when it breaks $5, it will go to $10 ($9/$9.5 more specifically) in the blink of an eye.  You'll be very lucky if you get the chance to buy at $4.50 or $6.
939  Economy / Marketplace / Re: [BitInstant] Instantly Deposit Cash at 4 Different Banks into MtGox and TradeHil on: December 22, 2011, 10:48:18 PM
Wow, awesome job.  To be honest, I was underwhelmed with BitInstant before, finding the services offered to be mostly redundant conversions within the e-currency ecosystem.

Cash deposit is a level up, and its especially good to see after MtGox suspended their cash deposits (which had the very inconvenient ID/paperwork requirements anyway).

I hope you can avoid any legal snags going forward to keep the new service as convenient as possible.
940  Economy / Speculation / Re: $4 today!? on: December 20, 2011, 05:56:23 AM
is this what they call a Santa Claus Rally?

lol.  On Nov 24 I wished for $5 btc for xmas. 

I used to doubt any correlation between bitcoin and the mainstream markets.  But with bitcoin possibly going quasi-mainstream, I can see it looking quite attractive to adventurous retail investors, next to the non-performing stocks and gold/silver.
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