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921  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LISK] Lisk | ICO | Decentralized Application & Sidechain Platform on: March 24, 2016, 10:02:26 AM
Vote for Hollowman for delegate

i will not vote for you. you're capricious.
922  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: [WTS] 7 LISK Passphrases = 71000 LISK in total on: March 24, 2016, 09:47:16 AM
Why not just wait until April to trade your 71000 LISK on Exchanges.
150 BTC is very high risk here.

I would like to get BTC back sooner if possible.

You knowingly invested during the ICO and purposely lose BTC by selling them right now? What exactly are you trying to do ahaha.

Anyway, I'd recommend against trading Lisk right now EVEN if it includes email and ico wizard account. There might still be a backdoor.

I used a fresh tutanota account for the ico.lisk.io website.

tutanota does not have any password recovery feature

If buyer changes password, I lose access to email account.  Where is the backdoor?


This deal is actually riskier for me than it is for the buyer.

to avoid risk the buyer buys each batch in sequence and changes the access and confirms control before buying the next batch.
923  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LISK] Lisk | ICO | Decentralized Application & Sidechain Platform on: March 23, 2016, 09:13:20 AM
At the rate bankers are jumping out Windows and the cabal's failure to hijack Syria's banking system and oil,  I wouldn't use USD to hedge value at this point in time.   Gold fluctuates, but retains value through the ages.

what does Cuba have that the banksters are so eager to tap?
924  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LISK] Lisk | ICO | Decentralized Application & Sidechain Platform on: March 23, 2016, 08:58:12 AM
Within first 30 days after launch 1 Lisk= $5 USD.  Mark my words.  Grin

it took eth a year to do that. but you thibk lisk will do this in 30 days?

if it takes a year to build the railway line how long does it take the first scheduled train to make the journey on its rails? not a year.
925  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LISK] Lisk | ICO | Decentralized Application & Sidechain Platform on: March 22, 2016, 08:13:14 PM
1 Lisk=$1?. This very well but I think it has much more potential .

Would people really sell at $1? seems like very short term thinking. 
926  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LISK] Lisk | ICO | Decentralized Application & Sidechain Platform on: March 22, 2016, 08:11:45 PM

Rocket.chat?

Slack is industry standard. 21 uses it, slock.it uses it. why does LSK not use it?
927  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LISK] Lisk | ICO | Decentralized Application & Sidechain Platform on: March 22, 2016, 07:24:11 PM
Can someone please let me know - what is the advantage for JavaScript developers to create dApps?  I mean this for Ethereum or Lisk, or any decentralized crypto.  What really is the point?  Is there massive profit potential for developers?

Developers make apps to make money, generally.  If there's money to be made with Lisk dApps, JavaScript developers will naturally be drawn to it.  If there's no money, then what's the method for enticing them?

Not everyone wants to create open-source apps and give them away for free.  There's a reason Apple's App Store attracts so many developers, and yet other app stores and platforms go nowhere.  Is lisk building an App Store akin to Apple's?  Or are you guys who invested in Lisk basically wanting JavaScript developers to get excited by this language for the purpose of your own investment.

Put yourself in a JavaScript developer's shoes - what's in it for them?

P.S. I'm a JavaScript / software engineer myself. 

construct new business models around distributed apps and distributed data. disrupt established markets and dominant players.
928  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LISK] Lisk | ICO | Decentralized Application & Sidechain Platform on: March 22, 2016, 06:53:35 PM
Is there a LSK Slack channel?
929  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LISK] Lisk | ICO | Decentralized Application & Sidechain Platform on: March 22, 2016, 05:19:43 PM
why would anyone want to put their LSK on BTER? Asking for trouble.

It is... You can't stop BTER I'm afraid... I prefer Bittrex, PoloniEx, Kraken...

BTER does what BTER does, but i wouldn't put my coin on there.
930  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LISK] Lisk | ICO | Decentralized Application & Sidechain Platform on: March 22, 2016, 04:56:12 PM
why would anyone want to put their LSK on BTER? Asking for trouble.
931  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LISK] Lisk | ICO | Decentralized Application & Sidechain Platform on: March 22, 2016, 04:54:31 PM
why do I see and feel there is too much sock puppet accounts posting here? is it just me? anybody noticing this too?

This forum needs Disqus-like upvoting to establish the reputation and credibility of a member. It needs a good clean up.
932  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LISK] Lisk | ICO | Decentralized Application & Sidechain Platform on: March 22, 2016, 04:52:06 PM
Somebody can explain me, why LISK better than eth?

LSK seems to be more precisely addressing a specific target market. ETH seems... nebulous.
933  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LISK] Lisk | ICO | Decentralized Application & Sidechain Platform on: March 22, 2016, 04:49:21 PM
Somebody can explain me, why LISK better than eth?

LISK HOLDS THE FOLLOWING ADVANTAGES OVER ETHERIUM:

Javascript language simplicity vs Solidity language complexity
Like I said ... easy to write a Javascript compiler to Ethereum bytecode  
Let me know when it's done...or even started.  Even if an Ethereum JavaScript compiler  existed, Solidity is still an unstable language - why paste a compiler on top of it?

100,000+ JavaScript programmers vs. few Solidity programmers
The above argument eliminates this so called advantage of lisk
The above argument is vaporware.  JavaScript programmers can start coding Lisk dapps right now.

Single hash generated  vs. trillions of valid but discarded hashes generated to secure blockchain in one blocktime
Makes no sense at all
I've explained this several times.  Churning out trillions of wasted hashes means lots of wasted electricity - like literally a nuclear powerplant's worth for Bitcoin - and is an ever-growing financial overhead that will ultimately kill the coin.

Cooperative, efficient blockchain generation vs. competitive, wasteful blockchain generation
looks like the same as above
No, it's the key reason Lisk can run on a $9 CHIP computer and Ethereum can't.  Economies of scale hugely favor Lisk over BTC/ETH.

Stable roundtable clockwork forging vs. unsustainable, exponentially growing free-for-all mining
Forging is no different than mining ... just different ways to make the currency
It is so sad to see people that don't understand enough math to get why exponential growth is unsustainable, or why a stable system is different and better from an unstable one.

Dapps on individual sidechains vs. dapps on bloated mainchain
Ethereum dapps are also sidechains .. lol .. you seem to be uninformed
The Ethereum Guide says its dapps are deployed on the mainchain ( https://gavofyork.gitbooks.io/turboethereum/content/dapps_deployment.html ).  Practically, in Ethereum dapps are just specialized "contracts".  There's my showdown cards in this poker hand - what's your counter-reference to prove what you are saying about Ethereum sidechains?  Prove to me that each dapp in Ethereum has its own separate blockchain as they do in Lisk.

Min of 2-4 to max of 101 cheap $35 Pi2 / $9 CHIP microcomputers needed for each sidechain backbone vs. large, unlimited numbers of expensive GPU systems needed for mainchain backbone
The GPU rings will not be used once POS for eth sets in
So...PoS for ETH is vaporware, got it.  How can you know that Eth PoS will run on microcomputers like Lisk does if ETH PoS finally shows up?  What happens to all those sad little GPU miners whose income stream will be cut off?

Sidechain dapps permanently free vs. mainchain perpetual "gas" payments required
Ah ... What can possibly be the use of the beloved LISK then ...
What part of "free" vs. "paying for ETH gas" is so hard to understand?  Free is better.  Lisk is still the exchange coin of choice within the dapp itself.

Difference between Lisk Forging and Ethereum Mining

With Lisk, generating a new block for the blockchain is called "forging" (in the "blacksmith" instead of the "counterfeiter" sense of that term), not mining.  Mining is a Bitcoin / Etherium term that refers to competitive generation of thousands of millions of billions of useless hashes looking for a string of leading zeros in the hash that is a "lucky ticket" declaring a particular miner to be the winner of a reward.  Forging is a cooperative  generation of one and only one necessary hash to secure the Lisk blockchain, for which you are paid a set fee when it's your turn to do it.  During the first year a Lisk forger makes 5 Lisk per block forged, which happens like clockwork about once every 17 minutes, for a total of 150K Lisk in the first year.

Lisk generating only one hash per blocktime is one of its huge advantages over Bitcoin and Ethereum and their huge waste of resources.  

Lisk is literally trillions of times more efficient in CPU cycles per block generated compared to Bitcoin or Ethereum.  This is why Lisk can use really cheap computers, while Bitcoin and Ethereum are trapped forever to use a hugely expensive, wasteful and unneeded overhead infrastructure - all those warehouses full of mining rigs.

Now THAT'S stupid - and most Bitcoin and Ethereum people have no idea just how stupid it is.  

Lisk Coin Inflation Is Much Lower Than Ethereum Coin Inflation



yeah, but VB has been making noises recently about reducing the rate of  supply of ETH from early next year.
934  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LISK] Lisk | ICO | Decentralized Application & Sidechain Platform on: March 22, 2016, 04:45:37 PM

Java based?? lol ummmm ok.
Market for that seems to be dying down.

For the thousandth time, Javascript is not Java.  Lisk uses JavaScript.

time for a memorable brand, Lavacript.
935  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LISK] Lisk | ICO | Decentralized Application & Sidechain Platform on: March 22, 2016, 01:10:47 PM
@LiskHQ I have a question for u, i've sent btcs 40 min before the end of the ICO and up until now my funds haven't arrived to LISK ICO exchange nor back to my wallet. So where r my funds stuck? Thx

did you get the three confirmations?

i didn't with my final contribution. Coinbase seems to have messed it up.
936  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LISK] Lisk | ICO | Decentralized Application & Sidechain Platform on: March 22, 2016, 12:08:12 PM
Poeple are going to get so burned here. The notion that a forum moderator and a webdesigner will be able to compete with Bitcoin and Ethereum is hilarious.

Luckily common sense tells us that there arent that many investors (victims) really. Probably 97% of the volume is fake to grab media attention and thus new victims. (there is a reason why there is zero transparency..)

Seeing how these two noobs can get much if any attention almost motivates me to start a scam myself. But, it just can't be that easy and I refuse to believe people are this gullible

97%? So only about 150 btc is real? That's about $60k. So $30k each for Max and Oliver minus expenses, and legal fees to fight off the embezzlement charges? It doesn't seem like a very worthwhile scam to me.

Am i missing another revenue stream from my calculations? Or, are they intending to put it all in PRISM to multiply their return? LOL
937  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LISK] Lisk | ICO | Decentralized Application & Sidechain Platform on: March 22, 2016, 11:18:51 AM
what will Lisk's currency identity be, LSK?

i'm less good with LIK.

LISK most likely.

Yep, LISK. Sometimes an exchange only allows 3 symbols, then it's LSK.

it would look more professional with a X in the front for international currency (like crypti did).
But XLK or XSK or something is a little cheesy as well... its a hard decision...

X sounds uber sexy, but ETH works better than XET. if it's three then LSK will do.
938  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LISK] Lisk | ICO | Decentralized Application & Sidechain Platform on: March 22, 2016, 10:33:29 AM
what will Lisk's currency identity be, LSK?

i'm less good with LIK.
939  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LISK] Lisk | ICO | Decentralized Application & Sidechain Platform on: March 22, 2016, 10:14:35 AM
I've changed my idea, ill buy a Lambo, now the fact is, Black, Orange or White?

buy a nice bicycle instead.

cars are vulgar.
940  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LISK] Lisk | ICO | Decentralized Application & Sidechain Platform on: March 22, 2016, 10:09:45 AM
Is Oliver German?

Oliver is British.

I thought so. The 'Deutschland zusammen' comment seemed uninformed. 
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