The same guys did the same thing to bitcoin when the Lightning Network was introduced. Of course BTC doesn't need that kind of publicity because its already bigger than every single other coin put together.

The download page is down. I tried to recompile the wallet from GitHub, noticed that there was a new commit made last November, but I couldn't do it for whatever reason.

You seem to have been the only miner in the past few months. That means when you fire your wallet up, you're the entire network! If you have the original hawaiicoin-src.tar.gz, would you mind uploading it to mega.co.nz or somewhere similar? How about this: if you do it, and I have coins in one of my three wallet.dat files, I'll send you a thousand.

This coin seems to be dead as dead. I'm not the guy to get it listed on exchanges or anything, but it would be fun to breathe new life into it.

I'll help. Roger Ver. Roger Ver is using his influence to trick people into thinking BCH is "the real bitcoin." He's stated this numerous times. He goes out of his way to add confusion about bitcoin for the sake of his own profit. One needn't look further than bitcoin.com for confirmation of this, where he uses his ownership of the domain to muddy the distinctions between the two, frequently creating links that go to BCH-related content when they should be going to BTC-related content.

There, happy now?

The website claims $5 billion. If you add up transactions from the NEM mosaic, its about $260,000. But according to you, that's only a "test" portion of buyers.

I ask you again, why do you keep defending this blatant scam? What's wrong with you?


I am Nutilda the Hungry, Destroyer of Buffets. I have more credibility in my left pinky than the both of you do in your entire lineages. I repeat - all you and taseenb do is shill for the petro. That's your entire, pathetic existence. I hope the pay was at least good for selling out your soul and helping at least 200 people lose their money.

Interesting... You can see in this shitty graph I made that they did attacks on 6/18, 6/21 and to a lesser extent 6/25. It looks like so far the network is holding up.



BCH won't actually hold their own stress test until Sept 1st.

Hilarious. The 2 main problems with BCH is that:

1. It's a blatant cash grab; an attempt to cash in on the good name of bitcoin.
2. Nobody uses it for anything! It has very little adoption anywhere. It's just another speculation-driven altcoin that happens to have the word "Bitcoin" in its name.

After the incident with Wikipedia where BCH people kept changing the "bitcoin" entry to link to a Bitcoin Cash block explorer, and Roger using bitcoin.com basically to trick people into thinking BCH is BTC, there's little doubt left that he's just an extremely greed-driven individual, on the indomitable quest for even more money.

Put all of your money in there. Sell all your things, take out a loan, convert every penny you're worth into BTC and send it there. Then convince your friends and family to do the same. You'll get exactly what you deserve.

The kind that is trying to undo the words of blatant scam apologists such as yourself.

I mean, the damage is already done, there's no way to get these people back their money.

But why do you keep rushing to the defense of this scam?

Can you prove you and taseenb aren't the same people? It seems like you are, and you'll just say the first thing that comes to mind when cobbling a pathetic defense against the reality that this is a scam. Both you and him have absolutely no life outside of shilling for the petro, which might go down in history as the biggest ICO scam of all-time. Neither of you have any credibility whatsoever. You both should go back to your dayjobs and forget you ever had an account here.

Yes, you have to buy XEM (the network parent coin -- think of it as ETH, and the transaction fee of 0.05 XEM as "gas") from an exchange and deposit it to the address that is holding your tokens. Because I am interested to see if you can move the tokens or not, I will send you a couple XEM for free if you post your NEM address here. You'll have to create a secondary NEM address first though.


Oh, you're definitely wrong. There's no question.


Why on earth would you guess petro's buyers are aware of this? It said nothing about it in their whitepaper or anywhere on the website, or by anybody associated with the petro, ever. It was appealing to a largely non-technical audience. Its ridiculous to think people would know about tokens, mosaics and network transaction fees who didn't already have experience in cryptocurrency.

What I don't understand is why you insist on conning your own people so hard. This is obviously a scam and yet you keep defending it. What kind of lowlife sociopath are you?

"in the next few days, the transfer of Tokens begins." -- petro website's been saying that for the last 2 weeks (or more).

This coin has plummeted 30% in the last month, and is still extremely overvalued.

Why? Nobody's using it for anything! It has no adoption whatsoever. It will fall a lot farther in the near future, because the devs already have too much money and too little reason to push for its widescale use. It's nothing.

Here's your proof. 3 transactions in the last 3 minutes. There's literally hundreds of coins that have more volume than this. This coin is a joke, possibly even a scam.

Actually I've made higher percentage profits on Dash than any other coin. How's that "collapse" working out for you? 

I don't understand the point of your crusade. Monero has completely fallen to the wayside compared to Dash.

And this comment will be deleted in 3... 2... 1...

Try reading the Mosaic transaction history in the block explorer again. There was 204 transactions, not 200 exactly. If you're meaning transaction by address NBC2LLR5W2NSH6MYI7O6PT7OF34CSL55L27ZXTQZ, then yes the number is 200.

But you're contradicting your best friend taseenb's words. He said everybody who purchased petros got the ICO token. So who is incorrect, you or him?

Also, why wouldn't the government tell people that you need NEM in your petro wallet if you want to send PTR tokens anywhere? You just do. It's not an opinion. It's the way any coin network operates. You can't send anything for free on the NEM network. So every single person who wants to trade the petro, use it to pay for this and that, will also need NEM. Yet not one peep out of the government about this.


Taseenb should have made the thread a moderated one, but he didn't. Pretty colossal error if totalitarianism and censorship is your thing, which it is, apparently.

Yep, taseenb even admitted that everybody who participated in the ICO got their tokens. He used the word "everybody."


So the NEM Mosaic shows 204 people received their tokens, yet Maduro said 87,200 people participated in the ICO. That means Maduro's claim is off by 86,996 people.

https://sputniknews.com/business/201802271062027915-130-countries-want-venezuela-cryptocurrency/

http://explorer.nemchina.com/#/mosaic?m=ico&ns=petro

So who is lying, NEM or Maduro? Because its definitely one or the other.

How are you going to shill your away around this one, shills?

See? This is exactly what I'm talking about. Instead of answering the question, you deflect it. This ICO was a 100% scam from the getgo.

Right, have fun waiting!

The whole thing reeks with fraud. Instead of answering some pretty simple questions you are your alter ego just attacked my credibility. That's a sign of a fraud. You could have dissected my points one by one but nope, you just attacked me personally. In the crypto world, its guilty until proven innocent. And you are guilty as hell right now, good sir.

Hi there Mr. Shill Shillington. You're not doing a very good job of being a shill. Perhaps Maduro should re-evaluate your position as your job performance is lackluster.

You did not answer a single one of my questions. You just tried to attack my credibility. Repeating "you're misinformed" over and over again doesn't put a single concern to rest.

Biggest. ICO. Fraud. EVER!

Well I'll be... So did you compile the new wallet off Github or how did you get it? Seems to be down from everywhere now.

I thought this was a non-transferable ICO token, and that the real token was yet to be distributed.

Can you let us know when you receive your tokens? According to the website, they are currently being distributed.

Okay so... When do you guys reckon this exchange will actually open? Right now its kind of a joke -- all links redirect to the main page, with the exception of the Twitter and Facebook page links. You can't register, there's no information on the markets offered, no apps actually offered even though it says that there are.

From: http://puntodecorte.com/que-ha-pasado-con-el-petro-aqui-lo-mas-reciente/

"On digital mining, there is also little known about its progress. The mining farms were installed but the progress or activities that are being developed are unknown."

The whitepaper doesn't actually say if the final petro is going to have its own blockchain or not, though it does make quite a big deal about how cool NEM is. If the final product is to be released on NEM, what do they even need mining equipment for? The whitepaper sure lacks a lot of specifics for a coin that raised (at least) $5 billion.

http://explorer.nemchina.com/?#/s_account?account=NBC2LLR5W2NSH6MYI7O6PT7OF34CSL55L27ZXTQZ

As far as this mosaic owner address is concerned, looked like petros were moved to 204 addresses. Maduro's claim of 87,200 buyers is about 87,000 too short.


Pretty convenient how they can raise so much money and then just say "oh it was a failure." With each passing day its looking more like a blatant ICO scam.

This is also insane: https://www.criptonoticias.com/mercado-cambiario/plataformas-criptomonedas-marcan-tasa-cambiaria-dolar-venezuela/

So the VP is saying cryptocurrencies are actively being manipulated to attack the petro, a coin with no established value as of yet? That's extremely paranoid thinking.


Ouch, your absolutely right. NEM has 6 decimal places, same thing as the Petro wallet (really just the NEM wallet renamed and re-jiggered to show PTR balances instead of NEM balances... I hope they realize that even if PTR is actually released, its holders will still need NEM in order to move it anywhere. They didn't mention this in the whitepaper. If the main PTR blockchain isn't going to be NEM, why make an android wallet for it?

What were the murmerings of people receiving the ICO token? Were those legitimate investors or just Maduro sockpuppets?

I've been analyzing ICOs for about 4 years now and this one has all the markings of a scam. A scam conducted at the highest level of office is still a scam. It seems like most of the people who invested in this have far more money than they can afford to lose, so I'm not really weeping over anybody's losses. All the national governments who got caught up in this -- its not their money they're losing so what do they care? Maybe a few financial techs will be out of the job, but that's about it.

I'm certainly keen to see how this thing plays out.