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9361  Economy / Economics / Re: Is it better to save money or invest it? on: September 27, 2016, 07:03:22 AM
I think the price is still cheap IMO . So , it is your right time to buy your bitcoin and hold it on the future.
For me , I will use it for trading while the rest I holding it . It's better to having multiple source of investment to minimize the risk.


You probably means multiple source of income instead of investment. If it is an investment then you should simply put it away and get some profit once the time is up . Using it for trading means you are treating it as a tool to get some more profit from it
Definitely because trading is more on a job for me, you need to work hard and decide smartly in order to make money in a regularly basis. Being a day trader requires a lot of time to monitor the market and analyze the trends, so I guess it is more tiring that working in a day job but the good thing is that the earning is unlimited here if we succeed.
9362  Economy / Economics / Re: How too get rich on: September 27, 2016, 06:56:17 AM
If you don't have Patience then trading is not what you're looking for. Maybe try Gambling because they're all fast money, Earn Fast, Lose Fast
for me trading is still the best thing i can do because it makes me some decent profit even though it is boring

Trading boring? I honestly doubt you are making any profit trading, you wouldn't be farming signature campaigns if you were, 99.9% of people here don't know anything about trading they just pretend. Trading is hard, specially with bitcoins.
of course it is boring at least for me, i think getting rich is also impossible with cryptocurrency trading

It is possible to become rich with crypto currency, many people did became millionaires already because of bitcoins and being a trader of alt coins. Crypto currency is their life and make their lives changed. If you are going to be a good trader you are going to become rich with it every time you are going to have good trades and you can just hold a lot of bitcoins.
Sure this is a dream that we arent going to achieve, early adopters of bitcoin went from normal people to milionaire, lucky investement, and the only crypto that make such till today, altcoins might allow us to earn a extra bitcoins, but to achive such status will need lucky or being part of whales group that pumps all months some altcoin deeply.

If we are just going to be a good trader for sure we can also become rich with crypto currency. And if you keep on believing that and you have courage in yourself that bitcoins or alt coins are going to make you rich. Then you are going to work hard for it and in the end when the price pumps for sure you are going to get rich with it.
Nothing is impossible in the cryto world mate, everything is possible depends on how smart and hard working your are, in trading you need to be more smart than a hard working because if you are good in analyzing the data you make easy money even in a short span of time.
if you can invest most of your time studying the charts and the movement you will able to understand and you can easily predict what would be the next movement of the coin thats for sure an easy profits from trading im in the process of learning i also wants to have some luxury.

That is really a good way to invest too, if you are going to invest into knowledge and going to do some research.  For sure you are going to get some profits in trading.

And trading is going to be a good way to become rich and if you are going to be familiar on how the market cycle moves then that is just going to be an easy way to become rich.

But you must be dedicated when you really want to become rich.
Trading is the best investment because you have invested in yourself on that aspect, the outcome of your investment does depend on the way you manage your self in trading, having a lot of knowledge will increase your chances of success and you can developed your skills overtime.

It is very brave argument, because as i know investments always are risky.. If you are so sure about some investment, please let me know and we can even make a deal. If you give me good investment subject i will give you 30% from revenue .. what do you think?
The thing is there is no sure investment, you are only willing to pay 30% of the total revenue from a certain investor that can give you sure profit, I think that is not fair, if he can really make a good profit in trading I am even willing to pay him 80% of the profit and I will just take the rest as long as it is sure.
9363  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why is gambling so addicting? on: September 27, 2016, 06:52:07 AM
because you think that it can make you endless money but you actually would lose a lot of money in a short time
this the common idea coming from those very lazy people who loves to earn in a easy ways thinking that they can easily doubled their moeny in such a way of gambling but unfortunately ending it up losing it and feel sorry.
Always gamble what you can afford to lose , with this way you will never get addicted.
People is too greedy make them did not think clearly and just gamble the money more than they have.
This leading to an addiction especially when you lost money , your desire to win it back always there.

A lot of people just blindly chase after their losses and they ended up with even more losses. The nature of greed cost many gamblers to visit the casino frequently even though they know that they cant really win against the casino.

they think that they can win in a gambling but unfortunately they are not win and they only get addicting because gambling is a games with full of entertainment so people will be comeback and spend their money until the last money and this is the factor why gambling is so addicting.
Most gamblers are so optimistic that they can win, and based on my experience I have a friend who just recently learn to gambling in sports betting and he is very curious so he tried but now he is already addicted in sports gambling because he always experiment a method to win, I hope he will be successful.
9364  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling. Is It Wrong? on: September 27, 2016, 06:41:37 AM
Wrong for me,  because in gambling,  there is more disadvantage than the advantage. Is so dangerous if you are addicted  of gambling.

If you care enough for your money, you should not gamble, it will be wrong for you, aside from that, it is ironic that in gambling we don't protest even if we already know that there is a advantage in favor of the house... In short, the gamblers are the wrong one, and those who spend too much money in gambling are the most wrong...  Smiley

If you care enough for your money, you will not be buying the latest hp model, you will not be eating in restuarant and you will not do a lot of things. In fact, if you really care for your money, you should be busy studying on how to invest well or how to have a successful business. But everybody need their own break, so gambling is just a form of entertainment if you know how to control yourself.
Therefore it is really important to prioritize our needs over our wants, if we speak of the latest gadget in a short span of time it could easily be outdated and diminish its value, but in investment overtime your money will appreciate like investing in bitcoin.
9365  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is gambling made for kids???? on: September 27, 2016, 06:37:56 AM
No, Gambling is not for a kids. Only a stupid parents who allow their son/daughter to gambling. The world must be crazy.
Yes, parents should be the one who discipline their children, their should be a role model for their children and not to teach them to play gambling. Because it can never help them.
If a parent are a irresponsible gamblers they would influence there kids to gamble even at a minor age because they think when a kid learn to gamble at the very young age, that was cool, but in reality they are making a monster in the future.
9366  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Everyone looses in the long run on: September 27, 2016, 06:35:09 AM
Everyone loses in the long run because we are in gambling and the house always wins, that is the fact that every gambler should know. Gambling sites are created to make money and we are not.

That is why a lot of government allows casino to be built cause they will know that casino will earn a lot of money and from then, they can have a huge tax on the casino to get more growth for the government. However, the issue is whether the country is able to protect its citizen from creating any social issues.
Government are after of the big taxes they can collect in a casino because they know how profitable a gambling industry is, but this time gamblers are smarter, they adopt to bitcoin to get rid of tax laws and to maximize their income, no one tax you if you are anonymous.
9367  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: If you were rich, would you still gamble? on: September 27, 2016, 06:28:43 AM
A lot of people here gamble to become rich, but some do it for fun.

The question is, if you wake up tomorrow with 50 million dollars, would you still gamble for fun, or would you forget about gambling and do other stuff? Personally I think I would still gamble. I do it now, and I know I realistically will never get rich off gambling, because I barely do it and I don't risk much money, just for fun sometimes, to test my luck.
So if I had a lot of money, I would do bigger gambles, but they would still enter in the "for fun" amount (for the new 50 million standard). For example, gambling 1K a month would be irrelevant, and winning with a 1K bet can give you big rewards if you are lucky. It would still be fun, in fact more fun, and it would be as non risky as it is now, in terms of going financially bankrupt.
If my rich came from gamble then difinitely yes i still gambling because gambling made me rich and i don't want to stop playing gamble it inspired me alot and i can help more people because of money came from gamble if someone gonna tell me to stop then help people i help because of that money.
If I am in your situation I would definitely not gamble anymore, maybe we should realize that we are just lucky that's we got rich in gambling and reality will still happen and we might lose our wealth because everyone loses in the long run.
yeah luck comes one at the time if you got lucky and you are rich now because of that maybe much better to spend your money to make a business and make your self busy dealing with it perhaps you want to lose it back again though.
The only way we can be rich using our luck is when we will be able to hit a jackpot in the lottery, maybe we should try to consider betting on a regular basis and who knows if our luck strikes they suddenly it will chance our life from good to better or best.
9368  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: September 27, 2016, 06:22:12 AM
how do you think about price monero
next monero can up to 0,02bitcoin every one monero again or not
maybe month november, if next year very long time wait to take profit

No idea what you just said  Cheesy

Moon soon again? It is all the same :p

More MoonArrow please!
With the recent big price drop of monero, I have lost my confidence on buying this coins again, maybe I have to accept that it was just overprice during the last few months and now maybe I will just hold a little and focus in Ethereum.
9369  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How to quit Gambling for good? on: September 27, 2016, 06:18:43 AM
Well, if you find yourself asking how to quit gambling for good then Your on your way.  Asking that question is the first step to quitting. If you're asking the question, then you must be recognizing that it is a problem for you.  Recognizing that it's a problem, instead of a solution to your problems, will help you seek the support of others who recognize that problem within themselves too.  And, support groups work well with addictive personalities.
We have our own method or technique to quit in gambling but I believe it is hard to implement it if we just do it by ourselves, in this serious situation we need the support of our loves once because they are the once who sees better than us as we are addicted and not thinking the right way.
9370  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How do I grow my btc? on: September 27, 2016, 06:15:33 AM
A relatively good way may be signature campaign, for people who are starting their new journey into btc world, because it can helps them a lot to earn btc without complications. I also suggest to sell service to other members like offering your programming skills or web designing and get paid on bitcoins.
correctly . signature campaign became the choice of many people to be able to get a lot of bitcoin. income from signature campaign could be constant every week. That is very fun .
yes there is no doubt about this that earning bitcoin from a signature campaign is a fun but it is also a fact that signature campaign can only give you such amount of bitoin that can only be enough for your pocket money and you cannot make a good amount of bitcoin from a signature campaign.
True, the amount of earnings in signature campaign is not really that big if you are serious with your investment, you should look for a better way to earn and one idea I can suggest is you learn trading because even with a little amount you can start and make money.
9371  Economy / Economics / Re: Why have Bitcoin instead of cash? on: September 26, 2016, 08:48:08 AM
The governments want to get rid of cash, it is predicted that around 2020 we will see a clear, mainstream-announced goal by governments to get rid of cash in the future, so by 2025-2030 cash usage will be minimum.

By then, your question should have an obvious answer.
Where did you get the information, how the hell would the government would get rid of cash when they are making money from the taxes in every transaction from every businesses and its people in a certain country.

Well if he will be right, then we are all fucked up. The tax will now come to bitcoin and we will have a lot of problems regarding that. If people are ready to accept bitcoin as their currency then are we as bitcoin users ready to be taxed? It is now the other way around problem.
i dont think that bitcoins will be taxed, it is not controlled by anything and i think that it will become big
When the government will regulate it, surely it will be taxed, imagine how big the money the government can make if they will regulate bitcoin. The transaction is very fast and more money are coming in and out on a daily basis and that is 24/7, it will surely make the pocket of the corrupt politician fatter.
9372  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What is your gambling strategy on: September 26, 2016, 08:44:38 AM
My strategy
1. Never be all in
2. always flat betting
3. don't bet the amount you can't lose
4. do deep research on sports.


Nice strategy. I don't believe you can significantly improve the chances of winning by doing a "deep research" on sports, but I agree with this on all the other points. The best part of your strategy IMO is the "don't bet the amount you can't lose" part. Anyone who will follow this advice will not regret gambling in the future.
With respect to the poster above you, that listed strategy is really good and should be followed by a certain gambler, but the flat betting is really hard to do, I think we need to be discipline enough to be able to do that, we cannot maintain flat betting especially when we are losing.
9373  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: When gambling makes you cry. on: September 26, 2016, 08:39:37 AM
Well gambling does make everyone cry, after all its their hard earned money and no one wants to lose. Most of the players do lose while some still win. However the number of winning people is lower and thats where the owners make a profit. If you seem to "cry" too much, better stop gambling Smiley
Not everyone of course because not every gamblers are stupid, they only cry because they spend their money that is not already intended for gambling hoping they can grow that amount fast, that is a kid of irresponsible gambler and normally they are the ones who suffers because of negligence.
9374  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: September 26, 2016, 08:36:10 AM

You are wrong in your statement that illegal stuff has nothing good or nor bad. I do not know what do you perceive as good/bad but personally

I consider it bad that there are illegal guns for sale (I might get killed by a gun or someone close to me might get killed).

I consider it bad that there are some people who are drug addicts and once they got sick from their addiction I am the one who pays their medical treatment costs in form of higher taxes (if they are responsible of themselves, I do not so much care how badly some people want to destroy their lives).

None of these things are inherently good or bad, though.

The gun is only bad if you shoot people with it, the drugs are only bad if... uh.. you have to pay for potential damages.

I think that was what explorer meant; That an act is illegal does not make it good or bad, it only makes it illegal.
That's a deep explanation my friend, you talk like a lawyer and you are on the topic when you explain. I know monero is use in dark market that's why I keep monitoring on the price because I do believe it can be a great currency in the future.

Come one, can you tell me that is the best decision for the current price now, should it be a right time to buy and hold?
9375  Economy / Economics / Re: Does the Price of Bitcoin Matter? on: September 26, 2016, 08:29:13 AM
I think the price is all that matter. Peace

It is the only big reason why traders like to trade on bitcoin vs altcoin and bitcoin vs fiat. However it has a downside, if the price falls too much people may convert all bitcoin to fiat and stop using bitcoin. However the chance is very less.
you are right, as the price gets bigger more and more people get to know about bitcoins and they buy into it

Bitcoin became very popular when the price shoots up 88x up to $1200+ in 2013. If not for that bitcoin wouldn't be very popular today.
Bitcoin is more popular today because of the big improvement of the price after a big hard fall, that should be our basis for the future that bitcoin is more stronger today and we will achieve another milestone of great price, I hope early next year we can achieve $1,200 or more.
9376  Economy / Economics / Re: If you were in desperate need for money.... on: September 26, 2016, 07:58:49 AM
I would consider selling things that I don't need, or that are not very important for me in my daily life. Then I would use part of the earned money to invest in something with potential to give me profit.
Yes its a wise idea than to borrow money to someone with interest. i would also sell the things that is not really important, but to prevent that scenario its better to start saving so you will have money to spend incase you badly need it.
yeah of course you have to do when you run out of money is to sell unused items, when you've sold it, and you still need more money you can start selling valuable items that may be sold. I hope it can meet the needs of your money at that time


its a good idea to selling unused items, beside we've got the money, our home will be look clean from trash and then we can make some business with that money and start a new business.
Maybe that could help a little but it would not solve the entire problem, we need to think big that could directly solve the problem, if that is for emergency then I would only suggest is to borrow money from your friends or your family, then pay later after you can go back on track.
9377  Other / Off-topic / Re: du you spend coins on real life. on: September 26, 2016, 07:51:35 AM
I do not spend them in physical  stores, it is difficult to find them  in the country where I live. But I  use bitcoin online to services  like Steam and to make investments.

I never used them online as well, though i always wanted to do that but cancelled it again after looking at the shipping fees for my country and unfortunately there is not online stores in my country that accepts bitcoin as a payment.
LOL yeah if you do the shopping at the online store and it is far away from your country, maybe you'd be afraid to pay for the costs there are much higher because you have to pay the shipping costs that may reach $ 50 and you also have to pay taxes also dibandara later. I prefer to buy at a local store, but I had trouble to find local stores that accept bitcoin

I would prefer to buy things in our country in a store rather than absorbing the burden for paying big shipping fee, I think that is not an intelligent move, that can only be justified if you are a businessman also who buy and sell online with bulk of supplies.
9378  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: September 26, 2016, 07:48:33 AM
We are living in a time where everything is going in digital and because of this I prefer more bitcoin rather than gold.
Even though the risk is much higher in bitcoin rather than in gold because bitcoin is newer in the market.

gold can also be digital, but i agree gold can not be used like bitcoin and everything need to be as fast as possible today and gold isn't that fast like bitcoin, so definitely a plus for bitcoin

I consider that trading physical gold involves a high risk because it's dangerous in real life.
Bitcoin sometimes is more anonymous and this is another advantage of bitcoin comparing with gold.
well of course it is really risky, i think that it is better to do bitcoin trading and it can make you more money
Not that simple my friend, trading requires a lot of skills and knowledge in order to make money, maybe it is better to hold your bitcoin for the future and consider it as a long term investment rather than trading which requires you to be active regularly.
9379  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: When gambling makes you cry. on: September 26, 2016, 07:27:31 AM
i only use gambling when i need a payment and i need only 1$ more so i bet for x1.1 profit with and amout 10$ and when lose i'm feeling like i will thow my pc from the window but it is only 10$ after all that can't make a person cry :p

Hahaha cool story, but if I'm the one that lose that $10 I will definitely not only crying but I will think about it all over the time.
And for sure, I can't sleep if that happens to me.
You are not a men if you cry about gambling because you know what can happen with your money if you decide to go out and gamble with it.
So if you lose you just have to accept that fact and keep it going.
well if those money were really important to you i dont think that it is not ok to cry then because you need those money
With $10, if that happens to me, I will not cry because of gambling, I have already lose more than that amount so that is not immaterial to me, now I know that there people who would cry losing that small amount of money, they do cry because they cannot afford their loses.
9380  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What is your reason to gamble? Fun or profit? on: September 26, 2016, 07:23:47 AM
It's not much fun loosing money but i still play for just the short entertainment gambling provides.
If you are playing purely hoping for profit every time then it sounds like you are getting in too deep and need to pull up a little.

There are some professional gamblers around but it must be a stressful occupation.
that is true , gambling are entertaining no matter you win or lost ,
people just take too serious action on their losts ,
make gambling as an income and being addicted are somthing that you should avoid to ,
just be an occasional gambler who want o have fun only.


Gambling must be treated that way only just for entertainment as you said aiming for profits and becoming addicted to it are the things that we must avoid when we are playing gambling. But as we all know no matter how we treat it the result would be still the same and that's losing money.
you can make gambling as your occasional hobby instead an income ,
first of all you need a stable income (more than what you need) have a permanent work ,
because i noticed that most loser gambler come from an unemployed ,
if you have already the requirement above you are good to go to gamble for fun without have to worry being addicted.
That is a very risky hobby, but anyway if you will only look at that way then you will be good. Just remember that once you play beyond the limits you will be at risk to experience the worst effect in gambling.

Correct, the word hobby means you are  playing  always since its a hobby which you would  have  higher chance on  being a gambling addict and with that you  are already risking your money  to loss in the end thats why  its not ideal to play gambling most of the time  or shall we say on daily basis.
thats true, it is the main reason why bitcoin gambling is not a hobby for me as i would lose a lot of money
Under that situation you should leave gambling, it is not good for you anymore because you are losing your money already, gambling should be fun and exciting but when we continue to lose we should be smart to quit and sacrifice our happiness so as not to aggravate the loses.
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