Bitcoin Forum
June 08, 2024, 06:29:47 AM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 27.0 [Torrent]
 
  Home Help Search Login Register More  
  Show Posts
Pages: « 1 ... 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 [475] 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 ... 548 »
9481  Other / Off-topic / Re: BitForce Consulting LLC own by Josh Wepman on: September 26, 2012, 05:12:03 AM
Bruno the boutyhunter... badass  Cool

The guy must have a graduate degree in doxicology.

9482  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What will the state do? on: September 26, 2012, 03:42:41 AM
The state is already cracking down innit? In the UK, first they stopped the Intersango exchange from receiving GBP deposits into their UK bank account with Metro Bank. No explanation was given why Metro Bank decided to freeze Intersango's account. And now today, Barclays, another UK bank has suspended Mt Gox's GBP bank account with them as well. Mt Gox says that no reason was given behind this action. They coming after us boyz!

I'd been expecting it 'any day now' for about 16 months.  It drove me to take the BTC position I wanted to be holding with some haste which ended up costing me a bit.  In fairness though, when USD/BTC got down to the $2-ish mark I was not so concerned about being harassed from the finance perspective...rather, it just seemed like a good deal at that time and I took a bigger position than planned.  Anyway, at this point I see widespread harassment as one of the better things which could happen for Bitcoin and I'm sitting fat and happy.  So, the world is good!

Financial harassment is nothing new of course.  As best I can tell it was a major factor in Tradehill shutting down.

Lastly, although I am not real keen on the authorities harassing people generally, I'm not going to exactly shed a lot of tears if the likes of pirateat40, Bruce, 'Tom Williams', the Intersango clowns, and the BFL guys (if they turn out to be perps) getting thrown in the pokey for their transgressions.  All of them have put a black mark on Bitcoin and thus both set back my hopes for the solution and  also cost me money.  Just like when so many people gloat about finding 'free power' to run their miners, law enforcement whacking these types is kind of like finding 'free muscle'...though it's a gift horse I would peer into the mouth of...

9483  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Butterfly Labs CEO 25 Million USD Mail Fraud — A Concise Summary of Evidence on: September 25, 2012, 03:43:51 AM
So, the summary I have so far:
...
The company bought a defunct corporate name, and is incorporated in a different state (which are both understandable, since to register a new corp costs ~$150 instead of $50, and likely Missouri has shit corporate laws).
...
Did I get anything wrong?

So, a company doing custom hardware on first-run ASIC is saving a hundred bucks by taking over the name of a different company?  Hmmm...

I mean I'm famous (in my circles) for being tight with money when it comes to infrastructure, but I cannot imagine stooping this low for that kind of savings.  Do yourself a favor and come up with a more plausible hypothesis for this one.

9484  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Got off the phone with the Guy from the S.E.C on: September 25, 2012, 03:22:53 AM
He doesn't want to be a part of the process of GLBSE becoming legitimate.

I don't think posts implying that GLBSE has not been legitimate in the past are going to be helpful to any investigation of its activity.  The DoJ has a long reach and where your business is based is often less material to their powers than whether you are conducting business with people in the US (see online poker debacle).  A number of countries have laws which make it illegal to offer unregulated securities to people who don't qualify as "sophisticated investors".  You may or may not be in the clear, but don't assume that you are purely on the basis of location.

Get legal advice now.  Even if you're cleared of any wrong-doing, the cost of complying with investigations by financial regulators can be devastating.

For those who might have other skeletons in the closet, here's another suggestion that may or may not be worth considering:  Run like a bastard!

9485  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Got off the phone with the Guy from the S.E.C on: September 24, 2012, 09:29:45 PM
Lol, so whats the relationship between Pirate thing and BLF?

They both netted a pretty good haul.  That's the way I see it anyway at the time of this writing.

Put another way: 'subscribing'.

9486  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: We should not try to get legality for Bitcoin... on: September 24, 2012, 03:59:37 PM

Alas, things are not always so black and white.  Obviously as a relatively responsible individual I prefer the former for myself and almost all of the people I know.  But I actually don't really mind a democratically elected government 'thinking and being responsible for the actions' of violent criminals, Wall Street crooks, the Butterfly Labs CEO, and so on.


It can be black and white. It depends on the personality and training.


I've no doubt that brain structure plays a big role in one's propensity to view things as 'black/white' or 'infinite shades.'  I've observed it first hand in my own family even, and it is deeper than simple native intelligence.

But 'black/white' is a much more simple strategy and handy if one wishes to (or needs to by necessity of lower cognitive ability) avoid considering the nearly infinite tangential factors which shape most aspects of our world.  Thus, it is a well represented mode of thought at such 'training' institutions as your average seminary, madrassa, Misses Institute, etc.

9487  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How much can we stand? on: September 24, 2012, 06:47:18 AM
I wonder what leftists are doing in a community that's dedicated to building an ultra-randian utopia?

Me: Watching the evolution of a class of developments which have the potential to be highly empowering to 'peers'.  If it can be arranged that 'peers' are not a handful of people sitting atop a handful of pyramids, such a construct as a peer-to-peer crypto-currency could be hard on governments gone rotten and exploitative individuals of any stripe.

Oh ya...I'm also up into the 5-figure range profit wise.  On paper at least.  The rubber hits the road if/when I try to cash out.

9488  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Butterfly Labs CEO 25 Million USD Mail Fraud — A Concise Summary of Evidence on: September 24, 2012, 05:18:10 AM
...
I am starting to wonder why any bitcoin related company would provide a presence on this trollpit - it's gotta be worse for business to announce on this forum, than to simply ignore bitcointalk.
...

I suspect that in a lot of cases it's because the forum population is rich in 'marks'.

9489  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: exchanges requiring photo ID?? on: September 23, 2012, 06:08:35 AM
Its a pretty stupid way to do it though.

Any Tom Dick or Harry who wants to sell or use other people's identities merely has to claim the government insists people have to send them to him else he can't let them in on the awesome 7%/week business opportunity he is offering...

-MarkM-


PayPal wanted my photo-ID after many years of making e-bay purchase through them and keeping a cash balance.  They certainly made it sound like it was due to new government regulations.  This made me decide to finally quit them.  When I tried, their UI would't let me so I had to call.  The lady asked me my SSN and DOB which I spoke into the phone and then said that we are all golden now.  So PayPal at least is clearly asking for much more than they actually need (unless they consider a voice-print to be sufficient.)  I consider photo imagery and voice data to be bio-metric and jealously guard it from those who wish to put it into a database for any reason.

A big difference between PayPal and Mt. Gox is that PayPal would happily return all of my money if I did not comply.  They simply would not let me add more to my account.  Mt. Gox, OTOH, will freeze funds until they get the bio-metric info.  I consider this to be extortion and theft.  But it has not happened to me since I've never tried to get money out of them so I am only going by what I read on these forums (and of course most of it is from jaded customers.)

9490  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Butterfly Labs CEO 25 Million USD Mail Fraud — A Concise Summary of Evidence on: September 23, 2012, 03:26:07 AM
I just got a personal message from Sonny. ...  I wonder if anyone else has received such a pm?


No communications here, and do concur that Sonny would know the ropes in regard to forum communications, for he was editor of Laissez Faire City Times newsletter and owns webspawner.com since 1995, of which begs the question--who ran said site while the Greek geek was sitting in a Dago jail for two years? It had to be somebody he put the utmost trust into.


Ah.  I'd quoted in an unusual way something I thought was funny; the part about 'cocaine stealing his boyish looks' and before/after 'scared straight' stuff.  I guess BFL_sonny did not catch that.

Assuming whoever uses that handle is reading this, here is my response to the pm:  It's a mistake.  The pics were dead links unfortunately since I would have liked to see how well they went with the copy.  Just follow Phin's link to the offshorwatch conversation (I think it was.)  Second post from the top is where the text I quoted came from.

---

BTW, Phin, Your question is both phrased in an amusing manner which made me laugh, and a good question besides.

9491  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Butterfly Labs CEO 25 Million USD Mail Fraud — A Concise Summary of Evidence on: September 22, 2012, 04:28:38 PM
I just got a personal message from Sonny.  My personal ethics are to not divulge pm's, but it had something to do with photos and some data which I personally don't have.

I've been relatively mute on the BFL accusations (though my personal suspicions and disgust at the LFC goings-on shine through sometimes), I'm not a perp-hunter, and I've never mentioned anything about any photos.

I've not responded to the pm in part because I am not completely confident that I understand the nuances of the forum software.  Probably Sonny has just got me confused with someone else (Phin?) although I would expect Sonny to be fairly bright, paying close attention, and not at all unfamiliar with the concept of threads of conversation.  I wonder if anyone else has received such a pm?

9492  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: We should not try to get legality for Bitcoin... on: September 22, 2012, 03:19:08 PM

Do what free men have always done. Fight for what is right. There are two forms of government:

  • You can think and be responsible for your own actions.

  • You can allow others to to think and be responsible for your actions.

Which do you choose?

Alas, things are not always so black and white.  Obviously as a relatively responsible individual I prefer the former for myself and almost all of the people I know.  But I actually don't really mind a democratically elected government 'thinking and being responsible for the actions' of violent criminals, Wall Street crooks, the Butterfly Labs CEO, and so on.

9493  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Re: Butterfly Labs CEO 25 Million USD Mail Fraud — A Concise Summary of Evidence on: September 22, 2012, 04:29:40 AM
...

What's totally awesome about Bitcointalk, though, is the fact that every time I think people have demonstrated that they have reached some sort of plateau of ridiculouslness; Just when it appears that the mother fucking Mount Olympus of Batshit Crazy has been conquered, the BitcoinTalk flag planted firmly in the peak, one of you fucking idiots manages to come along and shine a bright, white hot burning spotlight of incredulity on the fact that we are only in the foothills of Crazytown and the peak of insanity and entitlement still looms far above.   It's truly breathtaking in a sick sort of way.  

God damn, I love you idiots sometimes.  You give me hope that if I ever have a child and they are so retarded as to be a veritable vegetable, I can still point at the cute little veggie and say "Well, at least your smarter than most of the people on Bitcointalk."  And it will give me comfort.  


You sound like someone who got screwed on an auction run through this forum, then tried to get sympathy via a new post, then had almost all of the community who bothered to post mock and humiliate you.

I guess I'd be bitter to if that had happened to me...but I don't think I'd be as inclined to lump all of the participants of the forum into such a tight group.

Hi rating on your post for funny, BTW.

9494  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: GoldMoney [FB post]: James Turk in conversation with Félix Moreno de la Cova on: September 21, 2012, 11:22:18 PM
Quote
The interview seemed to suggest a grudging acknowledgement by Turk that bitcoin is important. But it's obvious he still has lots of hang-ups and just can't bring himself to accept a few things; namely that bitcoin and gold are similar in that neither is backed by anything - they are *both* fundamental. He's also failing to fully understand the fact that bitcoin transactions *are* immediately extinguished at the time of transaction just like trading a silver coin for a meal. He seemed to imply that because bitcoin is a "currency" (his distinction vs. gold), it therefore has counter-party risk, whereas gold doesn't. He hasn't yet internalized the ownership model of bitcoin. It does take some getting used to, of course, so I'm not going to begrudge him too much... And obviously he needs to push his own goldmoney service (which *does* have real counter-party risk, clearly).

Turk is conceptually correct in saying that there is counter-party risk with bitcoin, the counter-party being the bitcoin network itself. If the bitcoin network were to fail in some way, e.g. successful hack/attack, take-over by evil devs, etc then those are counter-party risks similar to relying on a centralised clearing house. Since it is a decentralised network of clearing then the risks are much diminished but not zero, as it is with gold.

Mmm... Perhaps you could argue that there are two types of network risk:
1) The risk that everyone will lose confidence in bitcoin and leave the network, thereby rendering bitcoin useless.
2) The risk, as you state, that the network/protocol will actually be compromised, leading to #1 above.

Seems to me that Gold can suffer #1 as well. It has value because people think its properties are useful. Gold doesn't suffer from #2 in the same way as bitcoin; however, as time goes by, the likelihood of #2 goes down significantly, to the point (we might already be asymptotically close) where the risk of #2 is really only a total disintegration of society and hence the internet. Clearly gold can still be useful after an internet-destroying apocalypse, whereas bitcoin can't.

But I don't think that's what Turk was implying when he insinuated that bitcoin suffers from counterparty risk.

Then he should have been more clear because that is nothing like what it typically meant by the term.  Bitcoin is just as counter-party free as gold...one's holdings in either are not a liability to someone else.  Period.

For the record, and I've stated it before, Bitcoin appeals to me more than gold because it suffers from this theoretical weakness and it is much more tenable for an 'attack' to take this form compared to gold.  Put another way, if the 'haves' of Bitcoin take advantage of their position to much, it is possible that the peeps could simply walk away and choose a different (but effectively the same) solution.  It would be much easier than with gold I feel...just a software update.  So the 'have nots' would have somewhat more leverage in a peer-to-peer crypto-currency economy.  In my theory at least.

9495  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: GoldMoney [FB post]: James Turk in conversation with Félix Moreno de la Cova on: September 21, 2012, 05:51:01 AM
James is a great man in his own right. He is a true gold and silver vigilante. He may be a little misguided when it comes to the topic of bitcoins. Max Keiser is the bitcoin champion.

The problem is that Keiser shows little sign that I can detect of being Austrian school or Libertarian.  This sorely limits his appeal in certain circles.  Fortunately for him (and me), his material and presentation seem to be enough to overcome his other liabilities.

9496  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Butterfly Labs CEO 25 Million USD Mail Fraud — A Concise Summary of Evidence on: September 21, 2012, 05:36:50 AM
.... and Sonny Boy was a major player of Laissez Faire City. Hell, I even learned that two guys committed suicide over this project. (long, but full of shit) http://www.offshorealert.com/forums.aspx?g=posts&t=37064
...

"full of shit"?!  Some of the stuff was comedy gold.  The second post sucked me in for a while before my attention wandered:

"""
... Took 5 servers to run? And it still failed, often.
Got something you want the whole world to know? Use Mailvault!

...

Then there is Wolf DeVoon, a wannabe lawyer and his site, ...
The soulful pictures of a luser who has left a trail of unpaid debts and broken promises are just too much!

Oh wait! I have some similarly soulful photos of Houston, before the cocaine stole his boyish looks.
There he sits, staring off into a future just filled with other peoples money. Brings a tear to your eye.
Anyone want to see them?
When compared to the after pics...excuse ME.. er.. wedding pictures taken last year. Well, the
antidrug program missed a sure thing when they passed these up. Talk about scared straight!
"""

9497  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: We should not try to get legality for Bitcoin... on: September 21, 2012, 04:52:02 AM
Citation from the last conference material (http://shadowlife.cc/files/btcotc.pdf (slide #18)):

Quote
We should not try to get legality for Bitcoin, we should not ask the state to resolve conflicts in the community.

What should we do then?

Distributed peer reviewed arbitration with evidence material made public and arbitrators anonymity jealously guarded.  All participants in the community are potential arbitrators in the same manner as jurors (in the US) and a ratings system similar to e-bay's allows perspective counter-parties the ability to assess the counter's history, ratings, judgments, etc to choose whether to undertake a transaction or not.

Although I believe it to be completely my own I claim no rights to the idea.  But it's near the top of my list for ideas to develop if/when I feel in the mood.

9498  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: GoldMoney [FB post]: James Turk in conversation with Félix Moreno de la Cova on: September 21, 2012, 12:05:33 AM
If one thinks about it, the quantum electrodynamics which are responsible for the physical properties of a the gold in a Krugerrand and lend it some of it's strength as a monetary instrument are every bit as conceptually challenging as the mathematics and cryptographic algorithms which do the same for Bitcoin.  Vastly more-so I would suggest.

Except that Bitcoin is all of that (quantum electrodynamics) and more being an abstraction running on top of it (gold, silicon, copper, etc.).

Fair enough.  All of these arguments do aptly illustrate that, similar to a fractal, pretty much all potential monetary instruments (and pretty much everything else besides) has many layers which could be explored.  And could safely be ignored if one wishes to focus on the simple engineering challenges of employing said instrument reliably.

I (for one) hold that both gold and Bitcoin are more simple and [thus] more robust than the various counter-party based instruments that are presented through 'MOPE' as the only realistic options.  (Alas, I must associated GoldMoney with the counter-party stuff as Cypherdoc argues/frets about, though I admit to not knowing much about it.)

9499  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Butterfly Labs CEO 25 Million USD Mail Fraud — A Concise Summary of Evidence on: September 20, 2012, 11:01:49 PM
Did they demo an asic at the london conf? Any pics or vids or indy person verifying this?

IIRC, the Mechanical Turk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Turk) was demo'd for decades.  Ditto countless 'free energy' type devices though they tended to have a shorter life expectancy for various reasons.  The conference seems to have been attended by a fair number of legitimately skilled persons.  (Any hardware guys?)   It'll be interesting to know their observations if they have any to share.

9500  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: GoldMoney [FB post]: James Turk in conversation with Félix Moreno de la Cova on: September 20, 2012, 10:42:04 PM
...

Thus, the argument can be summed up as Bitcoin:Gold::math:physics/chemistry.

At least, that is a rought draft of the argument and why the use and definition of words is so important for the communication of ideas.

If one thinks about it, the quantum electrodynamics which are responsible for the physical properties of a the gold in a Krugerrand and lend it some of it's strength as a monetary instrument are every bit as conceptually challenging as the mathematics and cryptographic algorithms which do the same for Bitcoin.  Vastly more-so I would suggest.

Pages: « 1 ... 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 [475] 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 ... 548 »
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!