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9501  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way for steady income on: April 03, 2017, 03:34:38 PM
If you want steady income then only way is to find something then work for it otherwise there is no way to get steady income. Good luck

Even you don't have work you can have steady income as long as you have your own investment or business. Most of the people that are earning steady income are those businessmen, because they are focusing with it and working hard with it. And that is making them a good amount of money which is very effective.

I don't think that having no work for a long period of time will sustain you if you have no investments just like what you've said on this thread, well practically online jobs is not permanent nowadays so you better save your money in order for us to invest what we have for a short time. The best ways to have a steady income is have a permanent job and that money you earned will become your investments soon, because of savings.

Yes you are right. The best source of permanent income is getting it from the main activity. The rest should be additional: trade, investment, gambling.

I will have to agree with that because that is how I think. Everything that I do that connects with online money is just an add on to what my income really is.
This things will surely vanish anytime so having a stable job outside the internet world should be mandatory for us. If all of this will be taken out there must be a fall back specially when you are supporting a family already.

Yes, for the time being we are all dependent on work in the real world. Work on the Internet gives us only a small income. But there are also people who have the main income from the Internet

Yeah and I have seen many people who are full time into bitcoins but those are the people who have huge capital to invest either in bitcoins or in trading so even if price fluctuates very little still they manage to make good profits from it.

If you have a huge volume to trade on you can make big profits in case prices rise by small units. But then big losses are also there is prices fall. I have seen many people manipulate the stock market by trading huge volumes and I myself am too scared to think of such situations. I am too poor to buy a huge volume of bitcoin and hence I never suggest anyone to do high volume trading.
9502  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best Investments on: April 03, 2017, 03:31:28 PM
Best investment new which I have founded is matrix site because when you find a team you can earn a really big money and become rich really fast what is 100x better than invest in some cyclers,casions and other things.

That is I hope one legit method? probably not. These matrices and whatever BS they speak of are nothing but pure ponzi schemes. They are made to make you think that you are actually going to earn a huge sum but in reality you are going to lose all your investments when the matrix collapses - the ponzi does not survive if the lower users dont pay anything. Hence any such ponzi is designed to fail and hence disguised as different new names to make newbies fall for them, "MLM", "Matrix" "Cyclers" are all the same thing - pure scam. Good luck with your money there.
9503  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling. Is It Wrong? on: April 03, 2017, 03:26:42 PM
I think gambling is programmed for someone's loss, so i might say this is not helpful in terms of earning, in the other hand if you've had pure luck this may seem profitable for you, But if you are greedy enough to recover your losses and then lose again you better stop. This is just for entertainment so don't be so aggressive and too much greedy.

Of course the gambling casinos are built make the people lose. Their machines and tables are built in such a way so as to make money. The advertising campaigns are used to lure potential addicts of gambling into the casino and milk money from them. If they dont realize that, then its wrong for them as sooner or later they will end up losing their money and chasing losses which will keep increasing and they will go broke. Its like the rich casino becomes richer and the poor people keep becoming poorer.
9504  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: Big wins at FreeBitco.in on: April 02, 2017, 11:08:15 AM
Everyone knows of my big win at freebitco.in, but still I see people crying that the site does not have any winner of the 200$ big win from the faucet rolls. I won this amount back in October 16, 2016 when this thread was not there and I have posted in the gambling section of this forum. Here is a link to my 200$ win at freebitco.in proof:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1650605.msg16583871#msg16583871

9505  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling. Is It Wrong? on: April 02, 2017, 11:02:20 AM
It depends when you are watching at cinema you pay for enjoyment same with gambling you are playing and spending money with it, spare money only and that's how you treat gambling as for fun but when gambling for you is the way to make an easy money then the gambling became wrong because you are gamble your money to win or loss.

Watching a movie and gambling with the same money are totally different things, dont even think of comparing the two. I myself would enjoy a movie rather than gamble if I want to hang out or spend some time outside with friends and family.

I never found wasting money in casinos where the odds are against us to be "fun". Its like throwing money away to fire. Moreover it forms a habit and if you cant control yourself you will very well lose all your money and then die of starvation.
9506  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best Investments on: April 02, 2017, 10:58:44 AM
so far, I only have the opinion that the best investment is in coins that will be launched. such as project ico, like chorno time the newly distributed. Well, it really makes a lot of people become profitable. very much a project as it is now, so maybe you can select it, and feel it for yourself.
For investment on ICO is no good idea I guess. As we know ICO have good offer for initial distribution and have an affinity.
As so far, ICO have crannies to lose or scammer, there's no gruwarantee for best way investment.


Investment on ICO I think is the best investment, why? Because usually the coin on ICO
when launching in Market Exchange will be up 2x than ICO price. We can see at Iconomi
project last month ago. Certainly, we just invest on ICO which have an escrow.

Brother, not all ICO are good. These days most people start fake ICO just to get money from the innocent people. Please should be wise in selecting which ICO to buy and focus on things like escrow / Roadmap etc.

Not every ICO is profitable these days. Many people are teaming up as an ICO team developer team and management team and then scamming the people under them. In many cases the lead people are the scammers and they manage to scam their employee and all the investors as well. They will show you a proper and very organised Roadmap and manybe a legit escrow manager too, but you never know who is a scammer and who is not.
9507  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way for steady income on: April 02, 2017, 10:53:52 AM
If you want steady income then only way is to find something then work for it otherwise there is no way to get steady income. Good luck
it is obvious . and I think every person understand this very well.
to make a steady income the person must have a steady source of income. a work a job, otherwise it will be very hard to make steady income. only with these small trading and buying selling won't make steady income.

I guess the best way to go is to get proper skills and knowledge in order to get hold of a proper job at first. Without a job you cant earn money enough to start something new and develop it at all. Once you have a steady income from a job start your own business, which is very tough as well but if you are willing to take the risk.

Otherwise we can start trading on bitcoin and investing in bitcoin with our job in the background.
9508  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What keeps you coming back??? on: April 02, 2017, 10:50:23 AM
I just can't help myself, I keep on coming back because I'm seeing a lot of charts that are winning two to three digits of bitcoin. And that's attracting me to come back and thinks that it will be applicable to me. That's my main reason and keep on coming back, the very simple thing is because of money and the chance of profiting.

Watching them got won big amount of bitcoins really made you jealous, i always coming back because lot of people got profit from there and i was looking for an entertainer/spending time, tried to get lucky like other people but our lucky never same.

Jealousy is what they want you to be - the casino owners want you to be jealous of the wins of others. That will force you to play and eventually lose more. This is one of the marketing methods of casinos itself. Playing with people's emotions is what the casino owners do well. They never advertise the huge losses but make sure to put up the top jackpots in the front page to attract people's attention and make them come back so that they play more and more.
9509  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What keeps you coming back??? on: April 01, 2017, 06:00:41 AM
in fact, if you lose in gambling, perhaps we will feel challenged to try the game again, the trap was not just happen on a gamble, but almost in all respects. Well, even more gambling have properties that make people become interested, so I think, want to win gambling while having fun is the reason why people always come back.

Winning big without any hard job this is the beauty of gambling so this thing could happen into this world. People think they can beat the casino easily that is why they try different strategies on daily basis and this made them to keep coming back.

Gambling addicts simply cannot stop themselves, regardless of the consequences. They can’t control their behavior. Environmental factors and personality traits like a big gambling win within the past year, companions who gamble regularly influence them to comeback for more.

A gambler who wants to survive in the market needs to control their emotions. Impulsive decisions make a bad gambler. They are tempted by the advertisements by the gambling sites and are willing to play more and more to either win back losses or to get that new promo offer that the casino offering. Doing so the casino actually milks out more and more money from them. If they dont realize that they lose more than they gamble while they are addicted they will keep coming back again and again.
9510  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way for steady income on: April 01, 2017, 05:56:42 AM
Outside have a job in the real world we can get some income with signatures, and with the signatures we can invest at trading or who knows start a faucet or some personal project. Exchanges, casinos and dice are the best source of income if you have time and money you can try build your own project.
actually you just need to get a job at a real job to get a steady income as an employee but I'm sure it will not be enough for you. so bitcoin will provide a nice extra income for you

I agree with you. Bitcoin will give you an EXTRA INCOME. Stable job will do give you a steady income, have it and sure you gonna be happy. Aside from having an extra from bitcoin.

Only your daily job or business can give you steady income. Most of us have one and for those who dont they can try some freelancing as well and offering services in the forum for bitcoin/fiat payments. Trading in bitcoin is a good source of income but its not steady and not always you can get enough margin to gain profits. Signature campaigns are steady income but the income is low - however I still like them.
9511  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best Investments on: April 01, 2017, 05:51:51 AM
due to fraud bitcoin HYIP are more and more, i not suggest it.

handle coin itself will be best investment.

Except i open investment xd  Cheesy

You don't want to suggest HYIP but you are mentioning it though you are right that they are fraud and scam, no newbie should invest there to avoid frustration and being fooled by those lazy companies. Holding of bitcoin is one of the best investment but you need to take a lot of time before seeing the result, add to it trading of alt coin.

Holding bitcoin is better than getting tempted for easy high returns and then losing the coins. Many newbies fall prey of such investments and they can understand which ones are legit and which ones are fraud. They also want to make easy money and hence end up investing there.

The best investment is bitcoin itself. You can buy some today and see the price a few months later when increase occurs, you can sell it to get back profits. Then you can reinvest or save the profit.

Well you are right with it, much better if you will do nothing with your bitcoins rather than investing it to risky ones that will turn out soon to be a scam investment. It's already our attitude to become gullible when reading out a company's offer with their return of investment and daily profit but it's too good to be true, I consider holding as the best.
Holding bitcoin for long term sucks because it doesn't even help you to earn money fast because you will just putting your money in one wallet for long but in the other hand, you can try different investment that is legit and trusted by others like investing in casino, ICO, and also trading altcoins or bitcoin where you can possibly earn high amount of profit. Don't just be lazy and hold, be smart and explore.

There is nothing lazy about holding bitcoin. Its a part of long term trading if you dont know. People like to do short term  trading since its more profitable but risky as well. But long term trading is a bit safer and can give you profits as well. However we all have our own daily jobs and so its not possible for us to keep tabs on the market every now and then. For them holding bitcoin and selling from time to time is a good option.

However everyone has their own reasons.
9512  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling. Is It Wrong? on: April 01, 2017, 05:45:25 AM
Nothing really wrong with gambling, just be realistic about what you can accomplish with gambling since many think they can become winners in the long run and we know that while some may get lucky the odds are you are going to become a loser.

That is because that is how gambling was introduced to them and that is how they really believe what gambling is. Gambling turns wrong depending on how we start it. Usually people who gamble in search for money is the way the gambling looks wrong. It depends also to the outcome of your habit, if it is negative and affects you negatively then gambling is wrong for you.
This is why it is important to avoid daydreaming and think that just because you got in a roll you could get profits out of those games, sometimes we are going to get lucky but the truth is that at the end we are not going to be able to keep those profits as the house edge gets to us.

If we daydream we are going to lose too much since the luck is never on our side and we wont be able to keep the winning streak running for long time. If we think luck to help us in our bad times we are totally wrong and we will be throwing away too much money.

Some people do get lucky to win amounts but that is rare similar to the probability of getting the rare number on the roll of a dice. So its just luck that can kill us or make us a millionaire.
9513  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling. Is It Wrong? on: March 31, 2017, 05:10:45 PM
Gambling is wrong when you over played and when you lose tone of money on it using and asking for debts just to play and fulfill your addiction in gambling. This is why gambling turning into wrong activity but you can avoid it by playing every other week or maybe just control emotion.
failure to control emotions is one of the mistakes when we play gambling. due to emotional instability, we can not play well. we will always fail when it could not cope with it all right.
yes and one of the most difficult job in gambling is to control your emotions, i think most of the people are losing money because they do not have control over their emotions if a person will have control over their emotions then i am sure that they will remain successful in gambling.

If they have control over emotions they can reduce their losses and make sure they dont go broke in the heat of the game. Knowing when to stop and call it a day is important for a gambler. Every gambler has that day once a while they lose a lot and cant make up, but that does not mean we must gamble to chase our losses which in turn leads to more losses.
But I the most difficult job in gambling is to control our emotion, as we can see that most of the people continue gambling when they win a lot of money or when they start losing money in both conditions they become hyper and they lose control over their emotions  which cause a lot of damages to him. I think if we become able to control our emotions in gambling then we can really show good result.

It is not the most difficult thing, rather its a very relative term - one can control their emotions easily while others have problems doing so. It varies from person to person and hence is not same. Many people understand that gambling is made to milk out money from the players and hence they stop playing. Others think that its false and that many gamblers have won big in the past and so they can do so as well.

So the fact that we want to gamble when have no control of emotions is wrong.
9514  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best Investments on: March 31, 2017, 05:07:43 PM
due to fraud bitcoin HYIP are more and more, i not suggest it.

handle coin itself will be best investment.

Except i open investment xd  Cheesy

You don't want to suggest HYIP but you are mentioning it though you are right that they are fraud and scam, no newbie should invest there to avoid frustration and being fooled by those lazy companies. Holding of bitcoin is one of the best investment but you need to take a lot of time before seeing the result, add to it trading of alt coin.

Holding bitcoin is better than getting tempted for easy high returns and then losing the coins. Many newbies fall prey of such investments and they can understand which ones are legit and which ones are fraud. They also want to make easy money and hence end up investing there.

The best investment is bitcoin itself. You can buy some today and see the price a few months later when increase occurs, you can sell it to get back profits. Then you can reinvest or save the profit.
9515  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way for steady income on: March 31, 2017, 05:02:54 PM
Find a day job and start working on it with dedication and that will give you steady and stable income regularly and keep bitcoin as an secondary income so even if there is no scope for you in earning from bitcoins then you always have an full time job which will help you in living.

Well it doenst need to be a day job, can be a night job, but i do agree with you, the most people has a job and crypto world is a secondary income for them. Some people i believe are able to survive with the money they earn from signatures, since they can live well with 150-250 dollars, and those is possible to reach in a month with some dedication at signatures and something else.
Day/night who cares just as long as you have a means to support yourself outside of the bitcoin community, most of us here probably have the same job we did before bitcoin even hit the scene.

I agree that the best way to earn steadily is to get a job that pays you in fiat or bitcoin. People can try trading which I find profitable and worth investing time and money in. However it is not easy and needs some good skills as well which one can get from practice. Steady income from this forum is possible in the signature campaigns and are good if you have good writing skills in a constructive manner.
9516  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What keeps you coming back??? on: March 31, 2017, 04:36:56 PM
That's happening cuz it's addicted and same time fun. That's my opinion  Grin

This is one of the causes why people keep gambling more and more. They want to win back losses and have fun during the same time. They do get addicted and want to become millionaires in one day without working hard - everyone wants that and its a common notion that we wont work hard but we will earn more than everyone.
9517  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What keeps you coming back??? on: March 30, 2017, 03:02:20 PM
It's the thrill and excitement which makes everyone coming back to gambling even when people *like you, lost more than what they have won.
The are very less people who have come above the thirst of gambling.

I never understood why that would be considered to be exciting if you lose more than you win. Its the first thing which put me off when I tried to gamble in casino games. Sports betting is better since we can often get an edge over the others if we play with proper analysis and knowledge.

People come back mainly to win back the losses and the temptation "today might be my lucky day to become a millionaire". Jackpots are created to make people come back to the casino and play more (that is lose more).
9518  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way for steady income on: March 30, 2017, 02:58:48 PM
I think if you have an amount that can full fill your needs then I would suggest you go steady because you don't have the desire to make so much big out of it.
On the other hand, if you don't have enough money then you should take a risk who knows luck might shine on you.

Taking the risk and you will not sured on your going to do will make you more loses in to it. suggesting a good activity might help him to gain a big income in trading platform. Don't risk always think for the positive income and not the negative one.

Yes, without risk will not be able to invest. But if you take risks, it's better to choose reliable projects.
Investing can be a good source of stable income

I think you are saying to get into an investment that has almost no risk at all.  I also agree that investment can be a source of stable passive income but be vigilant there are lots of bogus investments scheme.  You should do a thorough research about the company you want to invest in.

Indeed. Most investment scams actually bait people into investing by describing themselves as passive incomes that can double or even triple your money in a short time. I've been a victim of tbat once with btc river and lost around .5 btc due to me wanting to earn the easy way without even checking their information.

We all have lost our money in those sites as we were greedy and looking for quick money without doing any efforts which resulted in loss and for that we cannot blame those sites as it was our own mistake to invest in those sites without doing any research.

Being greedy is the last thing you would want to do while on the internet. There are many such things that are tempting to one or of another person and thus people fall for them. Before putting our money into something we must make sure that the site is legit and not a scam one. If they seem to be not able to explain their mode of income and are shady about it, its more likely to be a scam than a legit. Again many sites are masked in such a way that they seem legit but are actually scam. So its risky as well but we need to use our brains and be careful on the internet to prevent such losses.
9519  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best Investments on: March 30, 2017, 02:54:43 PM
I don't know but most of the investment through bitcoin is just a HYIP,
So it would just turn into a scam after a couple of days or a week.

There are many investments in the real life and online. Many of them provide us with the cushion of high yields in low time (or claim to do so). If you are not careful you can get tempted by them and end up investing a lot of money in such schemes which are actually scams.

However if you have the basic knowledge of how things work and how the investments provide money to the investors you can easily get a proper and legit investment in many sectors. Real life investments are often more safer than online ones.


That does not mean that all bitcoin investments are scam. You have to segregate the scam ones from legit ones.
9520  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling. Is It Wrong? on: March 30, 2017, 02:50:38 PM
I don't think there is anything wrong in gambling if you are gambling for fun with small amount but if you are depending on gambling for living and if that is the only your primary source of income then its a big risk and that will surely affect you in long run.

We are gonna lose in the long run , thats a fact however if you know how to do it right then you probably wont be gambling for too long to actually get a profit. Take advantage of those promotions from gambling site, as long as it is EV+ then dont think just go straight for it and you are going to get some profit

If people understand that gambling in games where the odds are against us in the long run leads to more losses than wins then they can minimize their bets and may actually waste less money on them. Gambling on EV+ games is better since you have an edge over others if you can analyse games properly.

What is wrong in gambling is totally on our shoulders. No one makes us gamble, it is our greed that makes us gamble and we can control it.
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