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9521  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: ★ [ANN] 🔵 BLUE: Securing the Crypto Age | CoinExchange LISTED! | CMC | IDEX 🔵 on: December 21, 2017, 07:07:56 PM
Pls dont spread fake news, devs not even mentioned that in the pinned post. Just wait for the devs or the big news for tomorrow for now bittrex is not a clear one.

I said that I may be mistaken and if I am, I apologize. I really don't mean to spread FUD (positive or negative). Just wanted to help...
Even i get hype when i see that picture , but i realize the ceo didnt mention that so i knew it was an edited picture.
But who knows ,this might be the big news for tomorrow.

You guys are talking about different things...Cheesy
The other guys just answered my question and was not referring to that picture...

Exactly! I was just reading superving's answer and I'm wondering what picture is he talking about...  Grin
9522  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: ★ [ANN] 🔵 BLUE: Securing the Crypto Age | CoinExchange LISTED! | CMC | IDEX 🔵 on: December 21, 2017, 02:58:28 PM
Pls dont spread fake news, devs not even mentioned that in the pinned post. Just wait for the devs or the big news for tomorrow for now bittrex is not a clear one.

I said that I may be mistaken and if I am, I apologize. I really don't mean to spread FUD (positive or negative). Just wanted to help...
9523  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: ★ [ANN] 🔵 BLUE: Securing the Crypto Age | CoinExchange LISTED! | CMC | IDEX 🔵 on: December 21, 2017, 02:46:53 PM
Can someone tell me what the actual Token utility is? I can't seem to find it on the Website or Whitepaper, sorry if I missed it somewhere...

If I'm not mistaken (and I may be, so correct me if I am) I think the token will be used as a payment for smart contract audits.
9524  Local / Altcoins (Hrvatski) / Re: Airdropovi on: December 21, 2017, 02:41:31 PM
Da ima veći volumen trgovine (čitaj interes okoline), imao bih puno više vjere u njega.
Telegram grupa ima oko 3000 članova što nije nešto pretjerano impresivno.
Morati ću danas malo bolje pročitati whitepaper pa odlučiti mada na žalost vrijednost pojedine valute, još uvijek, u puno većoj mjeri određuje hype efekt nego stvarna tehnička i primjenjiva vrijednost

Pa... Do sad je imao prilično nisku cijenu i mali volumen ali mislim da ga ne treba tako olako otpisati kao "shit coin". Uostalom, dev je imao već priliku dumpati tokene pa nije. Osim toga, za veći volumen treba dospjeti na veće exchange-ove, a za to treba imati love. Platili su da ih izlista CoinExchange ali po mom mišljenju, to je prilično slaba burza da bi više ljudi primijetilo token.
9525  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Hawala.Today | IFS | P2P CASH-CRYPTO | COINSWAP 30th DEC IFS ACTIVATED on: December 21, 2017, 02:06:11 PM
Any chances for the coin to be listed on another exchange? Since etherdelta got compromised and not sure if it's going to be back online any time soon.

I don't think we'll see new exchange before the swap. At least that's what the devs said on the Telegram chat. And it wouldn't be smart to put old contract on the exchange just to replace it after 10 days. The biggest problem is that we can't use EtherDelta anymore so there's no way to trade. OK, maybe Idex but I haven't use it before and the volume is ridiculously low...
9526  Local / Altcoins (Hrvatski) / Re: Airdropovi on: December 21, 2017, 01:50:31 PM
za etherum blue mislim da je shit coin i ak imaš priliku uzmi lovu što prije, jer će vjerojatno cijena ubrzo past, to je moje mišljenje ne mora bit točno, radi kako misliš da je najbolje, a @the.vlado to što se tiče hakiran ether delta? jer to samo phishing ak je DNS hakiran, da su ubacili samo lažnu stranicu i mogu ukrast podatke jedino ak sada upisujem private key na lažnom webu, ako je već upisan od prije nemamo straha ili? Jer imam dost tokena dobrih tamo koje ne bih htio izgubiti Cheesy pa da znam jel sam bez brige ili da ih sklanjam na sigurno

Zbog čega misliš da je shit coin? Mislim da nije u redu samo tako napisati bez ikakvog razloga...
9527  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: ★ [ANN] 🔵 BLUE: Securing the Crypto Age | CoinExchange LISTED! | CMC | IDEX 🔵 on: December 21, 2017, 01:48:30 PM
What time they will publish the big news? Cant wait to see it,.
Im just hilding 1000 blue which i got from airdrop before, hoping the price will reach 2$ or even higher Grin

I think they said it will be published today at 7:00 PM Central Time.
9528  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]🔵🔵 OYSTER 🔵🔵 Anonymous Storage Generates Revenue for Websites on: December 21, 2017, 08:56:07 AM
Yeah first time i've ever been part of a moonshot, pretty thrilling. I wonder if we'll see a drop at some point. Even if it does drop, I think it'll shoot right back. Hopefully everyone realizes the potential and holds for a while. People selling after 5-10x or even 20x are gonna be kicking themself later.  

Of course it will drop. Every price has to drop at some point. It's called a correction...
9529  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: ★ [ANN] 🔵 BLUE: Securing the Crypto Age | CoinExchange LISTED! | CMC | IDEX 🔵 on: December 21, 2017, 08:54:38 AM
IT was 0.91 and within minutes it is 0.53 :/

Dumb ppl just dump blue but i don't care until 7 PM Central Time we will get big news. I think the price will rise up dramatically around 1.5-2$

I don't mind investing more in BLUE

I think the problem could be people's expectations... If people think the news isn't that big (once they publish it), they could dump. But I guess it will be big because it was announced a month ago.
9530  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: ★ [ANN] 🔵 BLUE: Securing the Crypto Age | CoinExchange LISTED! | CMC | IDEX 🔵 on: December 21, 2017, 07:48:02 AM
I`m Really surprised that airdrop token could get such high price. Just look at coinmarketcap: It growed for 155% for last day and now cost ~0.93$per token.

Why are you surprised? Not every project have to have an ICO in order to succeed.
9531  Local / Altcoins (Hrvatski) / Re: Airdropovi on: December 21, 2017, 07:35:30 AM
Ne znam da li je istina, ali EtherDelta je mozda hakovana (tj. njihov DNS server)
https://twitter.com/etherdelta?lang=en

Pazite gde se logujete.

Da, istina je. Konkretno, hakiran je DNS server koji sad korisnika umjesto na pravu stranicu vodi na phishing stranicu što omogućuje "hakeru" da pročita private key računa svih korisnika koji posjete tu phishing stranicu. Ako se ne varam, na ETH walletu kojeg hakeri koriste već ima oko 300 ETH Shocked
9532  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]🔵🔵 OYSTER 🔵🔵 Anonymous Storage Generates Revenue for Websites on: December 21, 2017, 05:35:24 AM
Well, it was definitely the right time to get to another exchange... If PRL was still only on EtherDelta, we couldn't trade it right now due to ED being compromised.
9533  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Hawala.Today | IFS | P2P CASH-CRYPTO | COINSWAP 30th DEC IFS ACTIVATED on: December 21, 2017, 05:29:21 AM
Man, this thing with EtherDelta being hijacked (DNS attack)... Hawala definitely needs more exchanges and fast! Currently we can't trade HAT tokens because the only exchange on which HAT can be traded has been compromised.
9534  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: ★ [ANN] 🔵 BLUE: Securing the Crypto Age | CoinExchange LISTED! | CMC | IDEX 🔵 on: December 21, 2017, 05:22:36 AM
The announcement for the Dec 21st will be published at 7 PM Central Time according to Uni on the Telegram chat. If I did it right (I'm from Europe so I'm not sure about the USA timezones), this should be the countdown.
9535  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO]⚡️🔴Crypto Hunt - An AR game that rewards players just for playing🔴⚡️ on: December 20, 2017, 07:40:07 PM
I consider it a very important fact to make an investment. how many tokens are you going to distribute per successful entrant ? Glad to be a part of this.

What do you mean by distributing the tokens? We won't be airdroping the tokens. Instead we'll have an ICO that will start on Mar 1st. The price of the token will be $0.05 payable in ETH, minimum investment will be 0.1 ETH and maximum will be 15 ETH per person.
Also, from Feb 1st until Mar 1st people will be able to play the demo of the game and everyone who finishes it will get 10% discount on the ICO investment.
9536  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] CROAT - THE CATALAN ALTCOIN - EGALITARIAN COIN OF THE CATALAN PEOPLE on: December 20, 2017, 07:32:40 PM
If someone wants to buy CROAT coins, please PM me. I have around 37.000 CROATs to sell so PM me your offer.
9537  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Substratum ICO - August 7-September 7 (Pre-Sale with Bonuses Available Now) on: December 20, 2017, 07:02:11 PM
What's up with Substratum? No one is writing anything in the thread?
9538  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: ★ [ANN] BLUE: Securing the Crypto Age | CoinExchange LISTED! | CMC | IDEX on: December 20, 2017, 07:00:33 PM
At CoinExchange, the wallet is closed for maintenance
This is due to the load on the ether network or problems with the token itself?

this is connected with this increase in price?

I guess it's again because of the congested Ethereum network. Site https://etherscan.io/chart/pendingtx reports that currently there are 20k pending transactions. Does anyone have any idea what's the problem now? Don't tell me those CryptoCats are causing the congestion again...
9539  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Porez 2 on: December 20, 2017, 06:56:16 PM
Ne znam da li svi slučajno preskaču uvodnu rečenicu odgovora porezne uprave ili misle da to nije važno. Odgovor porezne se odnosi na dobit ostvarenu od trgovanja kriptovalutama.

Rudarenje, reklamiranje kroz signature kampanje koje je plaćeno u kriptovaluti nije trgovanje kriptovalutama, ili me ispravite ako ja griješim.

Pitanje je kako ćeš dokazati da si dobit ostvario trgovanjem kriptovalutama a da ti slučajno netko ne isplaćuje neki tvoj rad u kriptovaluti.
Super je ako se potvrdi tvrdnja kolege free-bit.co.in-a pa da te ništa ne pitaju nego te oporezuju za iznos koji ti je isplaćen s mjenjačnice. Po meni to neće dugo trajati ako je tako, jer će svi onda prikazivati svoju zaradu kao prihod od trgovine kriptovalutama i plaćati manji porez.


A zašto bi ja trebao dokazivati da govorim istinu? Mislim, svjestan sam u kakvoj državi živimo, ali ako ja u poreznoj prijavi navedem da sam određenu sumu novca zaradio trgovanjem kriptovalutama, zar nije onda na poreznoj da provjeri je li to istina ili nije? Istina, nemam pojma kako bi to mogli provjeriti, ali ni ne trebam imati pojma jer to nije moj posao. Uostalom, nema baš nekog smisla da se prvo pretpostavi da ja lažem i tek ako ja dokažem da govorim istinu, onda je tu u redu...


Da li je netko ovdje ikad ušao neku hrvatsku poreznu upravu, rekao da bi prijavio porez na trgovanje kriptovalutama i da su poreznici znali šta treba napraviti? Nekako mi je to nezamislivo

Ušao sam u poreznu upravu i to već više puta, i redovno plaćam porez već nekoliko godina Smiley
Zapravo imam više vrsta prihoda od Internetske zarade, ne samo crypto valute.
Prvi put kada sam došao, prijavio sam zaradu po jednoj drugoj osnovi i naravno, svi su bili u čudu i nisu znali kako to napisati i prijaviti u joopd obrascu a da prijava prođe kroz njihov sustav.
Problem je da svakoj vrsti zarade treba dodijeliti određenu šifru iz poreznog pravilnika a internetske zarade, kao takve, uopće nema na popisu poslova tj. zarada (a naravno, još manje zarade od crypto valuta).
Nakon puno ''mučenja'' i traženja, konačno su mi dodijelili najprikladniju šifru koju su mogli naći, tzv. samostalnog umjetnika, i zarada od drugog dohotka iz inozemstva.
Pod tom šifrom (4001) već godinama prijavljujem sve moguće vrste internetskih zarada, i od bitcoina i druge, a u poreznoj su zapravo ''sretni'' da su me se nekako riješili i da moje prijave poreza prolaze, i više se previše ne zamaraju s time o kakvoj se zaradi radi, niti to razumiju niti ih je više previše briga.
Njima je samo bitno da je porezna prijava prošla, da šifra prolazi u sustavu svaki put i da su porez, prirez i doprinosi plaćeni.
S ostalim ne ''razbijaju'' previše glavu Smiley

Hvala n pojašnjenju! Se može znati koliko poreza plaćaš, koji postotak?

Napisao je već prije da otprilike ispadne oko 30%, ovisno o prirezu kojeg plaćaš u mjestu gdje živiš.

Da, plaćam porez na drugi dohodak jer do sada nisam povlačio btc zaradu od trgovanja već isključivo od svog rada, plus još zaradu od nekih drugih aktivnosti kojima se bavim na Internetu.
Što se tiče ''dokazivanja'' poreznoj od čega je zarada, sve ovisi o poreznom referentu na kojeg naletite i koliko će on/ona biti striktan odnosno fleksibilan.
Meni su prihvatili kao dokaze internetske zarade samo ispis transakcija po bankovnom računu.
Da su tražili potvrde isplatitelja ne znam iskreno kako bih to riješio, jer takve potvrde je nemoguće dobiti, kao što i sami znate.
Ima u poreznoj i pametnih ljudi ali ima i onih koji se drže pravilnika i zakona kao ''pijan plota'' i ako vam takav bude porezni referent imat ćete veliki problem u dokazivanju svoje internetske zarade, odnosno da se radi o zaradi od trgovanja, na što je manji porez jer se radi o kapitalnoj dobiti.
Ako se budu striktno držali svojih naputaka i tražili ''dokaz'' tj. vjerodostojnu ispravu da se zaista radi o trgovanju, nemam pojma, iskreno, kako ćete to riješiti.
Vi ne možete prijavljivati porez kako hoćete već joopd obrazac morate popuniti po uputama svojeg poreznog referenta.


Ma jasno je meni da puno toga ovisi o tome na kakvog poreznog referenta netko naleti, što je ustvari žalosno jer zakon i način prijave poreza bi uvijek i svugdje trebao biti isti, a ne da ovisi o poreznom referentu. Jedini dokaz koji možeš dati je dokaz o isplati s burze kao što je Bitstamp, a mislim da je onda ipak lakše "nagovoriti" referenta da se radi o kapitalnoj dobiti.
9540  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Porez 2 on: December 20, 2017, 12:10:54 PM
Napisao je već prije da otprilike ispadne oko 30%, ovisno o prirezu kojeg plaćaš u mjestu gdje živiš.

A u ovom pdf-u šta kruži piše da je 15%

Zato što ne čitaš dobro. U PDF-u koji kruži se spominje naplaćivanje poreza na kapitalnu dobit koji iznosi 12% plus prirez koji plaćaš ovisno o mjestu prebivališta. A kolega plaća oko 30% jer ne plaća porez na kapitalnu dobit nego porez na drugi dohodak pa plaća poreze i doprinose kao da radi kod dva poslodavca.

Da malo bolje pojasnim... Kad bi sve bilo o pravilima, ako netko uloži 100 kn u BTC i proda sve nakon što BTC naraste na 150 kn, plaća porez na kapitalnu dobit od 12% plus prirez na iznos od 50 kn (koliko je zaradio na povećanju cijene BTC-a).
S druge strane, ako meni netko plati određeni iznos BTC-a zato što imam njegov potpis u porukama (kao moj GoByte potpis), onda bi se na tu zaradu trebalo platiti oko 30% poreza i doprinosa jer ta zarada nije od rasta cijene BTC-a nego se radi o zaradi od rada (pisanje poruka na forumu).
Naravno, porezna nikako ne može znati kako sam ja zaradio BTC (ili bilo koju drugu kriptovalutu) koji sam prebacio u EUR i uplatio sebi na devizni račun zaradio. Oni samo vide uplatu sa exchange-a (npr. Bitstamp) pa to uvijek izgleda kao da sam zaradio na trejdanju pa prema tome moram platiti porez na kapitalnu dobit.

Eto, nadam se da je sad malo jasnije...
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