If he reads the first page it mentions the bounty and a link to the bounty thread.  Thats why he is asking, some campaigns have more then one phase theres always some confusion that occurs.  The bounty thread itself does say its closed but makes no mention people will not be paid without KYC hence the confusion that led to the failure to be paid for publicity.



Kucoin Listing links
https://news.kucoin.com/en/herocoinplay-gets-listed-on-kucoin/
https://www.kucoin.com/#/trade.pro/PLAY-BTC

Does anyone chart this especially

Austria laws - https://www.ccn.com/austria-plans-to-regulate-bitcoin-like-gold-derivatives/

I'd argue with him but it seems off topic for someone trying to start a new thread on their crypto currency idea.   I think its kind of amazing that a government currency might come to this forum to raise interest.   The world is changing, I'm not sure any government from any country comes here except for negative reasons or maybe I missed previous involvement.

Whatever new economic system they might be trying to setup there, the biggest enemy of success would be their own biased system.   Like an off kilter wheel is how I view bad systems, they destroy themselves not the people or even the dictators.



So that part sounds bad, not even oil backed or redeemable at some level.   I figured it'd be like the old 1960's US dollar.  A complete phase out of the bolivar would have been interesting to see, the first real national currency in crypto.
But alas unlikely.   I remember people setting national crypto alts in 2014, not with any backing or link at all in that case.


I've seen some traders estimate BTC as negative for not breaking upwards but I dont see an especially significant downward trend, not yet.   Perhaps needs a better look.

'Illegal'  would not be the case as its just a minor issue on the forum, I can see how they might count it as a negative generally though.      Merit to me is like a bookmark or a like on facebook, not a big deal just a nice feature.   Its only at the low ranks its literally going to determine gaining a higher rank, to weed out poor use of forum.   So in that context, enabling a spammer would still be really bad and merit would show evidence of that perhaps

I think the game being played here is to try and drop the price and then reveal it was fake news.   Then you get the higher price and sell the coins you picked up cheap.   Maybe they think this is a small enough market cap to manipulate easily.   Does the person doing this have any skill, probably not no.  Its far more common to use cheap tricks, phishing techniques and so on to get some quick profit.
    Look at failures in crypto overall, the actual protocol itself is not where loses occur its the other links in the chain and thats what happened here.

So CEO of a company designed to make money from its users.    Right, so thats not related to crypto currency which is only ever going to suceed as a far more mutual effort while allowing capitalist principles to propagate globally without bias to politics or companies paying government bodies, etc.


Current market action would look more positive with a confirmation above 10,400 to move past a short term downtrend from the recent high of 11,788. 
10,400 also lines up as a fib level and possible support line for YTD pricing, very roughly speaking

Its a reasonable request, a standard use of protocol even.   Theres a strong link from  crypto currency to PGP use long before crypto use was attributed any kind of value, its a secure way to verify yourself as the original owner of a signature.   Emails are notorious in being able to be faked, thats how I first came across this standard

Its so powerful they put the maker in jail and famously said he could launch nukes by whistling down the phone (so must be confined to solitary), thats how much hype they had on the original PGP back in the nineties.     Its not anything negative to make a reference to verifying yourself, its the core of crypto going back decades

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy



This might explain better, some context to verifying if on internet actions are genuine or posts on a forum even.  Something from the news sounds similar - https://twitter.com/nathanielpopper/status/963466833675223040

I get a free gamble sent to me every birthday.   Its kinda bad timing maybe thats why they do it and they hedge every bet I take anyway no doubt.      With take a falling knife right now, the sensible plan is wait for it to land in the mud first     So confirmation of some kind above 10,000 or so is the higher probability bet then estimating below that line.   So yea a buy is possible but its not normally done below a ceiling I guess, that is worse odds or gamblers lucky hopes.

So 9308 is an area I watch for reaction, just a quick idea.   Last i heard was a pullback was on the cards so I guess that trader was right there, I was more bullish

So its a FUD attempt possibly, bit of market manipulation perhaps.   I was just going to write thanks for the last Lore wallet update, it fixes the staking icon from wobbling on and off.  It worked before but I had to restart and often I forget or didnt check, plus its a really old laptop so like takes ten seconds to bring up a menu.  Now its all autonomous again, so much appreciated.

The usual thing would be to start a new thread not try to rename the existing one without even mentioning details unless I missed some reveal.   So I assume its not anything of much whatever the reasoning because people have to know changes, etc.   If I read anything of substance I'll maybe think otherwise

Hate to be Debby Downer here at all but the question has to be asked, does that empty mempool then also mean less pressure from traffic/volume of Bitcoin use.    Obviously purely on exchange traffic matters less beyond speculation.     I mean a rising trend, which we have but also declining volume overall globally would not equate to a bullish confirmation.    Just a thought,  I'm not sure of volume as each exchange has it split of course and some major countries arent registering volume publicly any longer so its more of an opaque picture

No I think its substantially different from a dead cat type bounce.    Those kind of buys fit into people who short Bitcoin and then need to buy it back, creating a short term buying trend.     This is more established then just that limited amount, there is ongoing demand it would seem.   For example fees came down some which helps maintain usage and underlying demand in market

Is that Petro cash bad news for crypto overall in that it places an unfavoured regime in the space and its cash flows in and out of Bitcoin probably.   I mean with regard to oppressive regulation or maybe its even a positive in putting an OPEC sized economy into the crypto economy generally.   [Im not expecting Petro to be a proper/fair crypto standard but still it'll be exchanged]   I would equate that to Japan endorsing Bitcoin, they also have a failing currency though its incredibly under reported theres no doubt they have debt troubles beyond solution.  Of course Japan is a friend to the 'west' so no problem I guess




So doesnt this mean its primarily for business to business usage between themselves.  Does it remain a negative if its just one option in a variety of possible routes or do you see it taking over and diverting Bitcoin from its original course.   I just expect LN to be parallel (adding bandwidth) to the current situation or have I read it wrong.


I see BTC relatively bullish, target top would be 13024 or so, I really expect it to gather more strength but just below is 10000 which could be a source of strength and makes the price not especially risky right now?

Thats why an established name is so important online I think.    Small bets is ok many places, I think people build up their use of a casino before really using it fully.    There is some oversight and review ongoing, its not quite the wild west when we are this many years in.


They definitely do spot checks on casinos for this reason.   That would be a really shady establishment to be pulling that off, I'm not sure even the Mafia when in Las Vegas did such things ?    Weighting of various instruments in a casino is checked quite religiously I believe, gradient and all sorts.   Some magnets being added is quite a big deal.   I'm fairly certain most places just rely on the house advantage and the costs of drinks etc   - the answer to this question will come from Maths

YES

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2141510.0

TL;DR
HEROCoin.io allocated ICO publicity participants PLAY Tokens for various bountys set.    After ICO closes a new rule for KYC information is now required within 14 days of 6th November or they refuse to ever pay.   Thread rules not updated to show KYC





The ICO campaign finished in October and in November 6th onwards they decided in order to get payment people should pass KYC regulations.   The payment spreadsheet never showed KYC was now being required of everyone listed, I double checked I had entered my correct ETH wallet address.   Maybe it was forced on HEROCoin.io by their government  but my complaint is they failed to pay anything to members allocated tokens after just 14 days of allowing people to submit details.   They didnt even update the OP or thread title to tell people.   I had no clue I must submit my ID or whatever and others were caught up trying to pass when a deadline passed meaning over a hundred didnt get paid I estimate.   HEROCoin.io dont answer their emails now

Spreadsheet of participants showing no info on KYC - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Sxr2_WdvWJTRTJvfjlNuGvqt-MMAZw6SrS5S1rI1f9E/edit#gid=1278843479

Bounty Thread with no OP or Title update warning of KYC required or a deadline or even a warning post days before the deadline - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2141510.0



I asked them to consider paying Bitcointalk the forum.   This place costs money to run, give them my tokens.  Its a recognised KYC passed establishment but they refuse to pay the tokens allocated and continue to consider their own actions just the law requirements.  I can pass KYC no problem so its nonsense either way.  I'm not going to let them use forum members like this and I'm part of their customer base also, I bet on the Esports games they talk about for many years.
I'm signed upto HEROsphere.gg as of October, they have my email that way or its on my forum profile.   The company just after the deadline when asked why they do not use the forum responded this forum would ban them for using the PM system to ask for KYC information so nobody on this forum was told directly they would not be paid.    They have multiple accounts and managers on this forum to send PM if they wanted.

The answer there is the alternative operation of a network via proof work fees with separate operation from the wallet holders themselves.   Which operation do you prefer because Proof of stake is more scalable to the small distribution amounts of users not so much the big business and factories that POW creates.  

I'd rather see the distribution and involvement across the community with POS.     POW is a factory location possibly centralised to one country which is dangerous when China is not friendly to crypto and so the network is secured by a potential enemy to the coins survival surely a potential problem ?   A communist party in control can and will seize private property for the good of the government and of course me being 10,000 miles away doesnt have any say.

Where as with Energycoin you can be the person who helps confirm transaction and you will receive a regular stake in that process.    Please consider how negative Bitcoin fees become to the sucess of crypto when they charge $30 to even the poorest of people who just wanted to move little bits.   Energycoin doesnt even cost 1 cent, anyone at all can use it if they like and have no worries about needing to send twice.

Utility ultimately determines price and worth to holders I think thats the big deal.   People should be worried about large fee costs choking growth and also the miners themselves incur massive bills in their business, they feel they must charge the large fees I think.   They are in a far worse place imo

The trend was decline from ATH and that has reversed with a break of that trend.    That alone is bullish on a similar time frame to the original price pullback.    Now the market constructs action to further a bullish trend while navigating potential sellers from prices overhead.   It should normally take longer to rise then it did to fall, so I would double or triple the ATH to bottom time frame when considering recovery.

Heres my take on trend short term


https://i.imgur.com/R12bCeB.png

They dont respond to emails since November.    Lodge your details on the thread I have started for reputation of HEROCoin.    KYC also means paying what is owed eventually not that it is forgotten and we the members of Bitcointalk will make sure that happens for the ongoing allocated tokens for publicity that is so far ignored.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2892870.msg29743762#msg29743762

I've seen this attitude plenty times before with companies vs indivuals, I dont give up just like that, I'm not that weak or appreciate being judged that way.  I want anyone in a similar position to just help us construct a reasonable argument to proceed with and post as many details as possible please.

http://www.ibtimes.com/cryptocurrency-icos-must-stop-flying-blind-money-laundering-risks-2631057
Heres an article on KYC which is the reasoning by the company for not paying what it owes.   They are misusing this as a reason to NEVER pay which is not correct, I'm happy if anyone can post evidence to support such a stance.    Individuals must unite to correct his mistake, I'll also be starting a petition regarding the KYC so post your opinion on that also.    I do hope this company is successful and I wont give up because I'm involved in Counter strike and esports for the best part of 20 years now and that is why I took an interest in HEROCoin to begin with; but to ignore people on KYC is a mistake I'm fairly sure and there is evidence more then a few people did not have a chance to receive payment after being promised payments would be sent.   Its very possible for this token or value to be paid legally and I want nothing else

I have to agree with the diagnosis of oneitis there.   Going to state the obvious, Crypto doesnt work on top down or command economy with 1 guy at the top.    RIpple maybe is arranged in that way.    If any coin were that reliant then we are already in trouble, its been that way for years that is a system of many nodes providing confirmation not 1 central figure.   For some reason FIAT is completely biased to this idea and we are seeing millions of people suffer losses from their money via inflation or outright like happened in Cyprus. 
   Its got to be distributed and BLK with POS does a way better job of that then BTC with its various problems, apparently the Lightning network has serious drawbacks and flaws to it.   I'm interested if people think its a serious challenger in the faster, cheap transaction market.  My take is its a proprietary type solution not really a proper fix

vid I saw on it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFZOrtlQXWc&t=1211s

Deflation was the norm when a gold standard was part of the US dollar system.    Over peoples lives the prices would actually drop considerably, its beyond living memory now as the Federal Reserve has been around since 1913 but at some point in history its previously been the case as now with Bitcoin that older prices always seemed higher.
  Technology would be one example still true, with rapid growth most prices from 2 years ago should appear far too high for that part.   Mostly what they do there is rebadge the brand to reflect the new level given for the price, maybe comparable I dont know.   Bitcoin itself now is far larger, the forum itself must have much greater reach then it did previously so its kinda upgraded over time also?


Actually I came to post a question on donations.  I have involvement with an ICO scheme that refuses to pay participants who did not present a passport or similar ID in 14 days.  I'm suggesting the company instead of ignoring the payments due to individuals, the successful ICO actually pay this forum collectively as they based part of their ICO and publicity off the back of the costs paid by this forum.

The donation would probably come in the form of crypto tokens (created in the ICO) of some worth on an exchange, would that be acceptable.   As per the original FAQ I'm going to suggest they contact Thermos as the amount should be well worth the effort but if anyone else can confirm a correct route that'd be good.

The main point on this donation would be KYC must be cleared hence the previous troubles but Im stating this forum would have no trouble clearing such a requirement as the company is complying with Austrian legislation.

He no longer has to sell the coins in the wallet itself.  He can employ the services of a financial institution to sell futures contracts with the wallet as his security on this speculative bet.   Or at least this happens all the time with stocks, companies continue to hold the voting rights on the company stock but engage in the market to speculate on the price itself.

Miners have the vote not the wallet in this case but I think its possible this wallet contents are already engaged in a wider business or distribution but its not exactly apparently just by looking at the transactions.   Considering possible fees its far more efficient to move his interest about by promissory notes, just like happened years ago with other assets.   Obviously gold being the most obvious example of a heavy object rarely moved physically as its completely replaceable in another place and only the note of credit or debit needs to be applied to peoples balance.

Put simply this wallet could just be an exchange type balance, I expect someone already knows the answer to this.  

 Opps I see the guy above knows exactly, I was right     On the FLIP side people do fear large wallets like this can be seized by governments in unilateral moves against BTC, obviously not every country in the world is free or legally justified.

Better to sell on the way up, buy on the way down they say though getting off on the first rung of the ladder would appear silly later.   I dont think this is the first rung somehow.

Theres a double touch of resistance in quite a short period of time,  seems relatively bullish.    Broken a downtrend obviously but also a good regular uptrend since then represents some return to strength.

This resistance now seems like it would be quite significant, its matching late November action again - the final dip before the big rise.   Then again its also the support on the decline from the ATH, mid December a quick touch and then we dragged along the rocks here late Jan before doing damage enough to descend lower.   Here we return to do battle with this rough area around 11,259  

Also it shows as a 261% Fib line, to what event Im not sure.   One of the Chinese sanctions in autumn