Both of them have each own risk, I can't differentiate between of them are profitable. But I just thinking that you can choose them with depend on your style. You can choose hold, if you are the someone who didn't have much knowledge against technical analyst but you are good to analyst the fundamental factor. Maybe you don't need to make an analyst per day if you choose being a holder.

But, if you are the same who has good in technical analyst and you are not bored to make an analyst everyday then you can choose being a trader. Also it is depend on the coin that you choose as well, I still believe if bitcoin is safe for long term holding and for day trading but I don't know if you choose some altcoin out there especially new altcoin.

Yeah, I heard a several times ago that bitcoin's price movement was like SP 500 but it didn't happen anymore even if we compare with gold price movement bitcoin is more like it. So, we don't need to make the same between conventional asset who actually managed by one party and bitcoin.

But, you may be wrong when you say the investor will back to conventional investment if the economic situation back to normal. Because, as far as I know the intention for investor to store their money for investing is to get money and I'm sure bitcoin has given a lot of profit if they came when the economy crisis appear because bitcoin has risen for more than $6000 for three months back.

Seeing the price movement from LEND (AAVE) in a few day back I don't I just love to see it. If I compare with another crypto currency even with bitcoin its price movement is more than good. Lately, I traded this coin in binance future and I always compare the price movement with bitcoin if I trade in all altcoin, I mean, I open two bar to see the comparison.

Most altcoin that I traded will always follow the bitcoin's price movement, I mean when bitcoin price up then I will in altcoin prices as well. But now with Lend price movement, it is really different. Even, in most of time bitcoin price movement is follow the lend price movement. I don't know maybe this is just coinsidence, but in a few days back this coin's price was always up.

I think you can ask to the exchange (if you send them in an exchange) maybe they can help you.

This is something that you must be attentioned, it is different with bank system that you can ask your money back when you put the wrong address.

But in crypto currency is most likely hard to make your fund back. Unless, the receiver is good man so as they will send back your fund to your address.

If I'm not mistaken, binance doesn't ask you a kyc as long as your withdraw amount is less than 1 btc per day, unless you will withdraw more than 1 bitcoin per day then you will be asked the KYC. Because so far, I use binance exchange and I withdraw money per week but they didn't ask me to fill my identity first.

The KYC issue is something that is always being discussed by crypto currency user. Indeed, most of them are refused and find another way to cash out their money. But, there is some user who don't mind that as long as they choose the reputable exchange at least to avoid some unwanted thing.

The person/party who have a lot of bitcoin (whales) will have the same thing, they must take a profit from bitcoin they had. As long as they get profit they will not leave in this market, it means when they sell all bitcoin in any price and make bitcoin price down a lot but we will see as well bitcoin price will up drastically because they will buy back again.

So, I don't think that this thing has done by them, bitcoin's price will have high price if there are a lot of people who trust it and know that bitcoin is worths than anything. I see the five reason that has mentioned in the OP make more sense rather than your statement.

The first thing that I do when I'll entry to the market I've known the direction of the market itself, it means, I am not gambling for my money. Regardless I get profit and lose at the end I will never regret it but I will just take it as my experience later.

The second thing that I always do is set the profit target and stop lose for my risk, I mean I must set the amount of money that I can afford to lose. The both strategy has led me to make my day trading always comfortable. And you have to know, demo account will never you aware when you trade, it's really different. So, if you have intention to start trading you may be good if you use real money.

Yes, this situation has made my financial is getting worst. Loosing my job because my company decided to mass layoffs for bankruptcy. The company can't be able to pay all employment and even I didn't get my dismissal funds. Greatfully, I've been active in this forum and also I try to be a trader now so I can get money to meet my family's life.

And I don't know I just think that I wouldn't decide to find another job, I really like trading and its concept to get money. I don't have to spend a much time like I work before, but now I have to find more knowledge againsf trading in order to I can defend to get money through it. And if I compare the income from my trade is more than I earn money per months from my job.

XRP has done that, but it just take a few time before the ETH came back to the right way. There will always a chance to compete the coin since this crypto currency price are purely depend on supply and demand meaning just the user of crypto currency will only do that. There is party and some whales who have a huge money and they intend to make new coin placed in the second position and these thing will just a dream.

Maybe as you can see, there are some old altcoin who just get rid of from its position. Take a look with chainlink as an example, this is new altcoin and now has occupied in six's position and also bitcoin cash with in several years always occupies the fourth position but now it was just get rid of by tether (USDT). There will always be a chance for new coin is in the top position as long as the coin is feasible.

Just wondering how they earn money? I mean are they lose their money from they got win in the gambling as well? Or they just spend money from they earn in their job?

I don't know what will I do if I lose huge money in gambling. Maybe I'll just fine if I lose the money because I always win my gambling before and I collected it. But, if I lose the money from my real job then I'll be insane at the end.

There are a lot of ways to earn an income beside trading but I don't know I just have a little scared from those services, we can earn money without didn't do anything and it most likely didn't happen in real life. So, when here this information in this forum and also in another some place ralated to crypto currency I always passed it.

I just thinking that trading and investing is a good way so far, we just need to choose reputable exchange and must have some ability to predict bitcoin's price movement. Yeah, just count we study about some strategy is is a sacrifice that we must passed first before we have a profit consistent. Because by doing that, we can earn money as much as we can and there is just 10% we lose our money if we have mastered some knowledge.

On the daily time frame bitcoin's price has touched the resistence $12.341 and seem like the decreasing price right now just a retracement and still have a chance to go up to $13.900 as a nearest resistance. But yeah, if we see the current sentiment market bitcoin's price and most altcoin's price are decreasing and it has happened to gold price movement. It could fall to $9000 but there will be many trader/investor who buying it at the lower price because most likely we are still in the uptrend market.

You can choose both, I mean you can devide you capital to hold some coin for long term investing and choose trading for short term profit. I do these thing simultaneously and honestly I only choose bitcoin for my investing plan. I don't know I just have one crypto currency that good for long term investment.

As for trading, you can choose spot trading and future trading. And actually it is depend on your ability, spot trading is more safe if you just new to trade I mean you don't have much knowledge against it but if you get used to trade and you have much known against some strategy to trade then future market is good for you, with this future market you can still earn huge money with small capital.

It is just wasting your time, It means you need more time to see and make an analyst against the project to avoid it. I guess the real bounty hunter who didn't just joined the bounty campaign will take a lot of time to make an analyst against the project that will be promoted. His hardwork will start when he find a project not he leaves when has promoted to project.

So as when you decide to join a bounty campaign and you know everything the ins and out of the project you will be calm and at least you are still comfortable. Because one factor that you leave the campain is you are not comfortable, be it the project didn't have a real function and etc. If all bounty hunter doing that, I think there will not any shitcoin in the market.

First of all I just wanna see to the project that has a real function, that is the one factor when buying all coin type in the market. I will never choose coin although the coin has a bunch of way to get popular like being promoted by some popular person. I can't do that and I never fall to buy the coin because I will see the real function first before buying anything. I've been here since 2017 ago and at least I have already known how they work and how they attract new comer to getting money. I can differentiate how good and bad project are and how to characterize them?

This thing can be included as FUD, the FUD term has familiar in 2017-2018 ago in this forum moreover when bitcoin's price crashed a lot at that time. It should take a learning for us, spending money to buy crypton currency is the bad way if you know nothing against it, you will fall to the trap and lose all your money.

This market just for those who knows cryptoncurrency properly, and I believe they spent more time to understand how this market move and especially they know its characteristic. There will be many new comers, the current uptrend market has made many people tempted to come for entry and hopefully they take to understand first before they spend money .

At least with an announchment thread many user here will see the ins and out of the gambling site itself. Comparing to some casino who didn't have any announchment thread and he just tell that they have a gambling site, it hard to believe and most likely the user here will consider that the gambling site is scam. It sould make a warn for those developer who has new gambling site. Moreover if the developer try to promote their gambling through this forum it would be nice and will attract new user here to gamble. 

There will be many speculatio and has made bitcoin's market still alive. I don't know if there is no speculation/prediction against bitcoin anymore and it would make most user leave bitcoin and move to another investment place. Indeed, I have a prediction that bitcoin price could fall price before continue its rally, I see its price movement tend to fall, there are some red candle in 1 hour time frame.

But once again, there is no one who will know the market movement in the future and there is no one who will be able to guessed it correctly, they could be wrong sometime. The market sentiment has going bad after the US economic back to recovery and seem like there will be many people who change their bitcoin into money fiat again.

Bitcoin's price movement history has made many investor afraid to keep holding bitcoin from their investment place. As you can remember when bitcoin's price touched its all time high $20.000 and fell to $3500 as its all time low has made the investor believe that he may need to think a thousand time to sell them when he has got profit.

It would be different in gold who didn't have the history's bitcoin price movement and also some factors like gold has been considered as safe heaven place to store money will make its investor comfortable to hold their gold in any situation. But, we just need a few time again to see it in bitcoin, after many instutional start to invest in bitcoin and also future market will make bitcoin more stable.

We already seen some effect from some factors, bitcoin price has been surge from its lower price and until it has been traded above $10.000 and I think that $10.000 is the first step for bitcoin touch its privious all time high.

There is some speculations as well who stated if bitcoin price touch its privious all time high again at least we will see the next price that will be achieved is $75.000 and $100.000, so based on that if these factors that you mentioned has given many investor and new comers aware $100.000 is reasonable price to be achieved.