Thank for this thread qwizzie. There are so many great updates and indications of tremendous work being one. I think DRK has a very sound future and I'm looking forward to the exciting times ahead.

Well, so glad to see you're not compromising on quality too....

Geez....

Apart from that his death was unremarkable in that the regular procedure of cutting off of the testicles and feeding them to a rat whilst the still alive executee looks on was dispensed with on this occasion as it was noted his genitals had been accidentally ripped off during the naked dragging sequence. Witnesses and attendees complained "here...I not got wot I came for....I's told I's ged to see rats eatin his balls and I aint even seen his balls or nuffin..." so all-in-all it barely rated a mention with the locals of the time....

Hey there semajjames have a look at this https://bitcoinwisdom.com/help/charts

If you're still needing answers come back and ask with further detail.

No r-ando, it's not "confirmed" it's just being further reported in the media but their sources are no more significant than what we've already seen mentioned previously.


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Based on Mangled Blue's previous comments I'd like to hear from him before anything's suggested as being "confirmed" on this subject.

Please continue to post your analyses gadado, I certainly think they're of interest, even though TA is even less certain within crypto, markets still follow these rules of human investing behaviour to a degree.

It's unfortunate that someone offers something that may be of interest and may be of use and then just gets treated with disdain. It's a wonder anyone bothers with anything when the responses such as that above are just so often the norm.

Good for you kazz05 and thanks for your post. I see you've already been answered by:


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plus you've had the standard "warm welcome" from our gun toting Florida swamp dwelling "I hate everything that's not me" "shoot first ask questions later (and if you're a female don't even bother with the questions 'cause you're just a piece of shit)" nasty bro. He's quite knowledgeable about crypto in general, just not someone you want to take too seriously.

Strix your grasp of grammar and the need for sentences to clearly articulate what the writer is trying to communicate is just way too advanced for this thread! (actually, the whole darned Internet....)

I also enjoy your posts Coins101 and had been thinking the same thing about your tag line.

I think you mean "I wouldn't worry about it changing" (the other thing, apart from people making on-the-fly branding changes, that drives me batty is when someone get's their wouldn't/couldn't/shouldn't mixed up thereby changing the entire meaning of the sentence!)

A very intelligent series of posts naxin (right back to your first long one). I appreciate what you've attempted to articulate (and done about as well as anyone could).

Camo, you're a real interesting fellow but good grief are you an arrogant individual who is completely and utterly clueless on many fundamentals of the human condition...


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...so clueless in fact, I'm not even going to attempt to debate such concepts with you.

The key word (which naxin highlighted) is "empathy" and you have very little of it or indeed enough EQ to understand that fact. I suggest you go out into the world without your guns sometime and learn a bit about love. It could change your life for the better in ways you cannot begin to imagine.

You're hilarious lonecrouton!

Ha! You have a great imagination Ignition75. Yes it may well be that the 3letters guv agencies become big users, but you can bet they'll mask it with a façade of "using it for investigative purposes".

I hear what you're saying valentino007. I was also very concerned about DRK's potential to become THE criminal's choice for money laundering and illicit financial activity. However, having been on this forum for a while now and drinking in the many flavours of the wide variety of views expressed here, I'm starting to see that the banking and financial systems of the world, as they are today, are so devoid of privacy and they're so skewed to keep a relatively small handful of elites very very wealthy that anything that comes along and breaks all the "rules" is a) going to automatically attract a certain element of crime based activity and b) cause governments and big business everywhere to cry foul exactly as Ignition 75 has suggested. It's an appalling situation as you either play by guv/bbus rules and hand over all your privacy and transaction cost advantage or you develop something new like DRK and then get branded as "bad" for building something guv/bbus can't control and manipulate.

It shouldn't be this way but it is. I agree with Ig75, we're going to be involved in some heavy duty controversy going forward. Guv/bbus will throw mud like there's no tomorrow when they become fully aware of what DRK is and can do. This has to be. However, I don't think they'll try to take DRK down because it will become pretty useful for them too. There'd be nothing better for the guvs than to be able to send funds to those "friends today (biggest enemy tomorrow)" dictators they choose to side with for strategic interests without anyone being able to determine they've done this. They will love DRK for it's capabilities. While they'll scream and carry on, they'll secretly be sure it keeps going because it will become fundamentally important to their ops.

It was mostly r-ando pushing this line without any real comprehension of why it's just completely impossible on a private/anonymous network. It didn't seem to matter how many times people posted descriptions of why censorship or filtering is not just the complete opposite of what's trying to be achieved, it's technically completely unachievable unless the "privacy/anonymity" part is dropped off, he just kept coming back with more and more "but you're not thinking through this properly" type statements that left me wondering how someone could misunderstand the core essence of something so badly. Hopefully we've moved on now.

I just love the way newbies come on here and ask a question like this as if they're asking "In Detroit, what are the typical daily temperature ranges in winter?"

This will be my last interaction with you as I'm clearly not getting too far.

"who is the end user, the one who decides to use the wallet, the one who decides to browse, please ask me more" what has this got to do with what the network is actually for? Are you saying "well some users might want this filtering/control feature"....(if yes, I really don't know what to say in light of everything that's already been explained to you)

It would appear that you have firmly planted in your mind that this "DarkTor" that Evan announced back on the 19th August is going to offer some sort of "fresh new start" Internet platform and be able to be free of pornography. As I and a few others on here have been pointing out for the past few pages, the notion of a private/anonymous network that also has restrictions on what content it carries, is the combination of two mutually exclusive concepts. Having a network that's filtered or censored in some way, whether by use of a regular commercial URL filter, some sort of skin-tones JPG image analyser, some sort of user voting/approval system or a panel of administrators that look through the content and decide what's not appropriate requires the web pages/data on the network to be fully open, unencrypted and trackable. Now I'm not sure if you're just having a joke with us all or you're just so fixated on what you think this think should be, you're simply not able to comprehend why the notions you're putting forward are completely unworkable, but I think it's been explained numerous times now that the content on a "DarkTor" simply cannot be controlled. As much as any of us don't want to see child porn being carried through this network, in order for it to fulfil its function, it has to be able to carry everything and anything otherwise (as has already been explained numerous times) the concept simply won't stand.

If you want to build a network that's free from pornography perhaps you need to go and find some religion-based crypto developers who are keen to develop something similar but without privacy, anonymity or full decentralisation and featuring a full filtering system that can remove any content and material that doesn't meet the owners' moral/religious standards.

NO r-ando, no filtering, no censorship, no control of any sort. The notions you keep propounding are ridiculous and ignorant. Propulsion's final summary point was "End users should take their own precautions on what type of content they and or others are exposed to". How much clearer do we all need to be?

No it's more complex than that. The big issue is "Who decides what's cp and what isn't?" That's where censorship comes unstuck because someone has to apply a ruling based on their moral position and "their moral position" then becomes the interpretation for everyone else, which takes us right back to centralisation and control.

I'm almost gob smacked we're needing to have  this conversation. The technical complexities of filtering a "DarkTor" are absurd in the extreme. The legal/responsibility and actual "who/when/how" of this censorship is a whole other consideration that takes the concept to even greater levels of infeasibility.

Honestly, you're in the wrong place if you can't understand just how incompatible is the notion of excluding certain types of content from a private/anonymous network. As cyanez has pointed out, the concepts are mutually exclusive and would completely kill this project if attempted.

Darkproton I'm as appalled as you by cp and the whole reprehensibly evil "industry" it represents. Yes there are real victims of this very dark part of human nature and yes, there are hideously nasty people profiting from it too. I wouldn't think there'd be anyone on here that doesn't abhor what cp does to its victims.

However, the minute (the very second) we start down this track of "filtering" or "combing" content for any evidence of cp we're on the slippery slope and before you know it, caught in the cross fire of a million considerations. Like, photo of teenager in sexy pose where she looks 18 but turns out to be 15...is that cp? Or photo of some kids innocently playing at a nudist beach...they're nude which (in my view) is completely innocent but there are many many people that would consider that borderline cp....do we filter that? Or what about a young child fully clothed but with a strong sexually suggestive pose...is that cp? Do you see the mess you'd end up in here?

For all these reasons the MN network MUST be completely and utterly free of ANY interference as to what content is on there. It's not for DRK to be making sociological rulings on what is and isn't appropriate. It's a private anonymous network: end of story.

He'd be "coins601K+". Ha!