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961  Other / Meta / Re: Bitcoin Foundation on: October 13, 2012, 10:13:38 PM
However, I believe others in this forum should remain vigilant. Democracy falls when the citizens give up their power, and analogously I believe that unless we, as forum users, speak out against censorship, the admins in charge will eventually control the opinions on this forum.

In accordance with that ideology, I maintain my public stance that Bitcoin Foundation should be moved out of Bitcoin Discussion. However, I will refrain from arguing more about this issue.

What you and many others here fail to understand is this not a democracy and this does not belong to the people. This is a private forum hosted in the Internet. This is not a public domain neither a free speech zone. Because of this fact, complaints regarding the censorship or sponsorship practiced by the administrators and moderators are useless. The Bitcointalk forum is entitled to support or to suppress whatever the administrators and owners decide, not what the "vigilant" users decide.

The "power" here belongs to the administrators and the owners, not to the users.



Like I said the other day, Your speech is limited by venue "like school or Lib". If you live in the U.S. and go to Cuba observe the laws there or they will throw you in jail. If your on the forum observe the rules and "dictator" Joking! Here.
962  Other / Archival / Re: Looking lines of credit. on: October 13, 2012, 10:09:39 PM
Updated!
963  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I sell bitcoins for PAYPAL on: October 13, 2012, 08:06:30 PM
That's who I'm using lol But for your own safety do everything you can to trace the purchase to the buyer with PP.
964  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I sell bitcoins for PAYPAL on: October 13, 2012, 07:43:16 PM
Thats why I am almost done with a system to sell Bitcoins for credit card. I seen paypal selling coins for 20+ the thing is paypal does what paypal wants. They have a rule against digital goods so if it gets disputed for the most part you will lose, you have 0 trace with PP.
965  Economy / Auctions / Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 54 on: October 13, 2012, 07:39:16 PM
1@3
966  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Would anyone be interested in buying pre-configured pirateboxes on: October 13, 2012, 07:24:37 PM
Ba bomp bomp lol
967  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [BETA] BTCconquer 100% Free on: October 13, 2012, 06:14:18 PM
The download has been moved to the sidebar its still free, even though it says buy now.
968  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: .1 BTC for 1$ (-Sold Out-) Accepting only credit card on: October 13, 2012, 05:28:07 PM
You live in a pineapple under the sea and your asking me for a cod pfff the nerve LOL
969  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: .1 BTC for 1$ (-Sold Out-) Accepting only credit card on: October 13, 2012, 05:09:13 PM
Want to buy with a Credit card? are you happy with the service given let us know!
970  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why is Butterfly Labs so secretive? on: October 13, 2012, 04:52:45 PM
Nobody produces ASICs to achieve several times better performance than FPGAs, there are other advantages.
Gibberish.

I agree they take out lots of stuff that draws resources from a FPGA that is not needed in a ASIC
971  Other / Archival / Looking lines of credit. on: October 13, 2012, 04:13:09 PM
Line of credit for Bitcoin Key's

Reason: To have inventory. Yes I said inventory and my inventory is bitcoins.
Rates: We can talk about that, and come to a agreement.
Terms: The line given to use would like the deposits work here. You deposit X amount and we return X%. This is not a ponzi, I will disclose my system of credit card sales to lenders.
Reasons why it will work: We will undercut the competition rates for Credit Card to Bitcoin exchange.


When I started Bitcoin I wanted to buy coins, like everyone else. I could not find a way to do it with credit card that was at a reasonable price. E-bay sells them for around 166% of Mtgox avg, and I sure as hell was not going to pay that. After looking into this for months trying to figure out why no one does this I figured it out. CHARGEBACKS!  You can not prove you sold anyone a bitcoin without having a trace on them. This makes it very easy for people to defraud you and say you never paid them.

NOT A PROBLEM!
I have found a way to sell coins with a trace, there is no disputing my way of sales. Even if a merchant puts a "Policy" about chargebacks on the site it still will not stop them if they do not have a trace.  Have you ever bought a download for a game with a key? Well our system works the same way.

Use of Funds I have a Authorize.net merchant account that should be done setting up around mid next week. I some coins that I can sell but the problem is, from the credit card purchase to me getting the funds could take 2-4 days. So my inventory burn rate would be high and leave me sold out for days at a time.

Prices We are working at 8% for 1 Bitcoin purchases with NO SURECHARGE! we will pay the fee's out of our pocket as a thanks to customers!
Purchases above 1 coin will be discounted, by min of $.20-35 each sale, I will not pass the transaction fee on to my customers!
People in the lending pool will pay the discount rate and transaction fee ONLY! Thats about .50 on 1 coin, so if the mtgox avg is 12.1 it would be 12.60 per coin, instead of 13.05 or so. There will be a limit on daily purchases by lenders.

Pulling Your Coins Out We ask for a 4 day grace period for any coins. We want to be able to find replacement inventory for the coins being pulled out.

Thanks if you have any questions please ask

If you would like to test the system I am going to reload some coins on the site tonight for purchase. See what your lending for tell me if you like it!
972  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: 0.1 BTC for 1$ Times 4 Accepting only credit card on: October 13, 2012, 04:02:48 PM
I found this order amusing lol

#0000299456
Created2012-10-13 03:31:13
PMBuyercockmaster (pcockmaster@gmail.com) (change)
Product Game Expansion Download
StateFreeLicense Keys Sorry You missed the Free KEYS Download URLhttps://www.digitaldeliveryapp.com/orders/299456/download/e8ef126b478b4c31502ee5110bc73d99Sale Price$0.00Order Email SentYes(resend)
Downloadable until 2012-10-14 03:31:20 PM (adjust download time)

Still got 4 more keys left each valued at .1 bitcoin 1$ gets you .1BTCBTC you can not beat that!
973  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I posted some flyers in public downtown yesterday on: October 13, 2012, 03:53:31 PM
Those are Great! When summer comes back around I think I might pass some out at the beach.
974  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why is Butterfly Labs so secretive? on: October 13, 2012, 03:38:55 PM
Ask BFL if they have talked to any Gov officials. I am not the spokes person lol
975  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why is Butterfly Labs so secretive? on: October 13, 2012, 03:31:21 PM
I did read it, but I feel it still to be wrong. The PCB design has not changed that is the easy part, they should in theory be able to take the ASCI and drop it on a single pcb..... So your telling me they are using a different PCB and a ASIC then the one they are going to release give me a break. The chips are built around the PCB if it be 1 chip or 10 chips, to not have them done by prototype would be a stupid. Why would you take a proto type chip and put it on a pcb design you do not intend on using? So whats to say the chip will work on the pcb you change to... kinda a gamble wouldn't you say?

Not sure about this. For a product like this I would imagine that it is more likely for the PCBs to be built around the ASICs. They did say that the same ASIC will be used in the Jalapeno, Single(s) and Mini Rig.

If you look at computer motherboards, everything is designed around the CPU socket and chipset - not the other way round.

They do not build computers out of FPGA's, that is supposed to be the chip they design the pcb around.
http://kaisemi.com/index.php/home

0% NRE 90,000 USD or so delivers the first batch of chips. Then the price drops, they offer 0% NRE yes that right lol. All you pay for is the first order and they make your chips directly from the specs of your FPGA.
976  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: .1 BTC for 1$ Times 4 Accepting only credit card on: October 13, 2012, 03:24:56 PM
Still got 4 left
977  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why is Butterfly Labs so secretive? on: October 13, 2012, 03:18:04 PM

Wrong ask the States Dept of Justice's there is consumer rights for every state just look them up. If you buy something then they need to tell you what it is. You can not sell a product and say its going to do X, with out backing. It falls under a snake oil type law.

Intel will show prototypes of products with spec's before they are sold, Take apple for instance they take pre-orders on iphones but the product has specs released already.


So, how many cores did Apple say the iPhone 5 has? Graphics Cores? Clock Speed? Look at the spec sheet and tell me please: http://www.apple.com/asia/iphone/iphone-5/specs.html

Oh that's right, Apple does not talk about the inside of the A6 processor, just how it performs

Yeah, go talk to your State AG, or call the BBB and see what they have to say.

BFL has made a good faith effort to provide sufficient information regarding the product that they are producing, the specifications that it operates within, renderings of boards, updates on production facilities, staff, CRM implementation, Chip IP Overview, test methods, and even a couple of statements about what impact their products might have on the network. This is in addition to the already sufficient prior history they have created with their FPGA products.

Seriously? Snake Oil? They have gotten way past that burden already.

Manufacturers are not required to divulge everything about their product, only enough to sell it (and comply with some very specific rules for safety and licensing reasons)

I already have talked to my  attorney general..... Ask BFL if they talked to the Attorney Generals office see if they will be honest. I am not going to argue the fact with you.
978  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why is Butterfly Labs so secretive? on: October 13, 2012, 02:59:07 PM
Why would you take a proto type chip and put it on a pcb design you do not intend on using? So whats to say the chip will work on the pcb you change to... kinda a gamble wouldn't you say?

Everything about BTC is a gamble.  You shouldn't be gambling any money you aren't prepared to lose...

They sell SHA256 processors whos talking about bitcoins? Joking. I agree with you meatball, just wanted to show some things people tend to overlook.
979  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why is Butterfly Labs so secretive? on: October 13, 2012, 02:43:57 PM
I did read it, but I feel it still to be wrong. The PCB design has not changed that is the easy part, they should in theory be able to take the ASCI and drop it on a single pcb..... So your telling me they are using a different PCB and a ASIC then the one they are going to release give me a break. The chips are built around the PCB if it be 1 chip or 10 chips, to not have them done by prototype would be a stupid. Why would you take a proto type chip and put it on a pcb design you do not intend on using? So whats to say the chip will work on the pcb you change to... kinda a gamble wouldn't you say?
980  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why is Butterfly Labs so secretive? on: October 13, 2012, 02:33:42 PM
People know they are buying a video game and they have a ERSB rating just for that reason lol. We think we are buying a product that we think will do this. But the company will not show it. Video games do previews at trade shows of new games...... BFL brought there NES when they should have shown the WII.
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