As a heads up I would recommend that you be careful with all negative feedback you leave I was deemed to have "abused" the trust system with one of my feedback ratings that I left on a user that I had proved was trying to extort money from me and was slandering me. As a result of the rating I left I was removed from theymos trust tree.
This is interesting. I hear up and down how admins and mods don't ever touch feedback, the way I am being coerced to change mine I am not surprised. As a heads up I would recommend that you be careful with all negative feedback you leave I was deemed to have "abused" the trust system with one of my feedback ratings that I left on a user that I had proved was trying to extort money from me and was slandering me. As a result of the rating I left I was removed from theymos trust tree.
It is a bad story , but if someone is in the deafult trust list I think it's because he is an honest person and he (try) to help the community (Like vod and tomatocage when he has stopped a lot of scammers)  . #TECSHARE a negative feedback for "personal" issues is not necessary . Again, you keep saying its "personal". It is NOT PERSONAL. I DON'T EVEN KNOW THIS GUY. I never talked with him once before he started harassing me. He is attempting to harm my BUSINESS by attacking my reputation. He got only what he was dishing out back. BTW its easy for everyone here to call this "unnecessary" when there is zero cost for you to completely ignore the situation, and I am the one that is dealing with loss of sales and harassment. Apparently because I have lots of trust I am supposed to stand perfectly still like a royal guard while tourists slap my face. P.S. you guys keep saying "default trust". I would like to point out I am not on the default trust list. |
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No surprise the moderator would rather sweep this topic under the carpet as it were. The forums are still being incredibly irresponsible allowing these activities and it is dragging the whole place down. Very tempted to notify these companies myself, then we'll see if bitcointalk is accountable.
You are a moron. Why, because I don't want people to resell counterfeit goods? Even if the first person to buy it knows, the next may not. You sound like an asshole. You really think you are going to prevent the sale of counterfeit goods by restricting it from the forum? Furthermore attempting to put the forum under legal liability  I may very well be an asshole, but like I said, you are a moron. |
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No surprise the moderator would rather sweep this topic under the carpet as it were. The forums are still being incredibly irresponsible allowing these activities and it is dragging the whole place down. Very tempted to notify these companies myself, then we'll see if bitcointalk is accountable.
You are a moron. |
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Additionally I find it rather hilarious you have such an issue with my single use of the feedback system in this way when other users with FAR MORE trust than me on the default trust list leave negative feedback for people based only on hunches or personal opinions.
If you are posting about me, why haven't you let me know your feelings before this? My hunches are always correct, and I try not to leave feedback based on personal opinion. If I do, I welcome you to call me on it, or send me a PM. I don't disagree with this use of the trust system. IMO it naturally balances out. If you leave tons of negative feedback, people will take your feedback less seriously. I am simply pointing out that it is far easier to attack me rather than some one like you whom, it might be fair to say is in "the good old boys" network, and can push back against his accusations a lot more easily than myself. Basically I am a convenient person for him to make an example of over his frustrations of other people using the system this way far more often than I do, and with more trust. Badbear doesn't need to "attack" me - he can simply and quietly untrust me and all my power goes away, as I am not at the root of the trust system. He is, and he trusts me at level 2. I hope you'll call me out anytime you see me leaving feedback you deem to be personal. I do leave a lot of negative feedback, but that's because there are a lot of scammers. I HOPE people don't view my feedback as less truthful because I leave a lot of it. You guys keep calling this "personal", but how is him attacking my trade reputation for no valid reason, and me responding in kind to stop the behavior "personal"? He is directly attacking my ability to sell. That is beyond personal, it is directly trade related. He slandered my reputation, and I responded by marking him for his abuse. Also VOD, BTW I think it is important to mark scammers, but to be frank I don't take your feedback as seriously because you do apply it frivolously, even if MOST of them were scammers. |
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Additionally I find it rather hilarious you have such an issue with my single use of the feedback system in this way when other users with FAR MORE trust than me on the default trust list leave negative feedback for people based only on hunches or personal opinions.
If you are posting about me, why haven't you let me know your feelings before this? My hunches are always correct, and I try not to leave feedback based on personal opinion. If I do, I welcome you to call me on it, or send me a PM. I don't disagree with this use of the trust system. IMO it naturally balances out. If you leave tons of negative feedback, people will take your feedback less seriously. I am simply pointing out that it is far easier to attack me rather than some one like you whom, it might be fair to say is in "the good old boys" network, and can push back against his accusations a lot more easily than myself. Basically I am a convenient person for him to make an example of over his frustrations of other people using the system this way far more often than I do, and with more trust. I would be happy to restore his trust to zeros, once he removes his slander from my OPs (his own form of attacking my reputation since he has no trust). |
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I already made several attempts at deescalating this situation. I corrected my error with the feedback as well as provided him an opportunity to restore his trust rating. My request is not unreasonable. There was never a point when he at any time deescalated the situation. He got the trust rating for his actions, not just "to teach him a lesson". His lesson is he doesn't have to be marked if he can behave like an adult. Additionally I find it rather hilarious you have such an issue with my single use of the feedback system in this way when other users with FAR MORE trust than me on the default trust list leave negative feedback for people based only on hunches or personal opinions. Seriously some of them leave DOZENS of negatives for far less than this. Your complaints should be addressed to far more appropriate parties in your "good old boy network" instead of lobbing these accusations at easier targets like myself. I didn't want to do this, and I made several requests to the moderators for assistance and every one was ignored. I am frankly disgusted I have to defend myself for simply defending myself. HE HAS THE POWER TO CORRECT THIS - HE IS NOT A VICTIM - the only person he has to blame is himself.
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Here are the users who appear most frequently on trust lists that have been edited at least once: +-------+-------------------+------------+
| count | member | in_default |
+-------+-------------------+------------+
| 519 | DefaultTrust | 0 |
| 82 | John (John K.) | 1 |
| 82 | theymos | 1 |
| 30 | TradeFortress | 0 |
| 23 | dooglus | 0 |
| 22 | burnside | 0 |
| 21 | CanaryInTheMine | 1 |
| 21 | Gavin Andresen | 0 |
| 20 | Tomatocage | 1 |
| 19 | HostFat | 1 |
| 18 | ThickAsThieves | 0 |
| 17 | sublime5447 | 0 |
| 17 | BadBear | 1 |
| 17 | BCB | 0 |
| 16 | friedcat | 0 |
| 16 | yxt | 0 |
| 15 | Maged | 1 |
| 15 | Chaang Noi (Goat) | 0 |
| 14 | escrow.ms | 1 |
| 13 | casascius | 0 |
| 13 | satoshi | 0 |
| 13 | OgNasty | 1 |
| 12 | Akka | 0 |
| 12 | paci | 0 |
| 12 | sirius | 1 |
| 11 | Projects | 0 |
| 11 | ziomik | 0 |
| 11 | diego1000 | 0 |
| 10 | Ukyo | 0 |
| 10 | Deprived | 0 |
| 10 | phantastisch | 0 |
| 10 | SebastianJu | 0 |
| 10 | MPOE-PR | 0 |
| 9 | Stemby | 0 |
| 9 | Menig | 0 |
| 9 | J.Socal | 0 |
| 9 | Luke-Jr | 0 |
| 9 | bertani | 0 |
| 9 | DeaDTerra | 0 |
| 9 | zefir | 0 |
| 9 | qwk | 0 |
| 9 | tysat | 0 |
| 8 | TheButterZone | 0 |
| 8 | Inaba | 0 |
| 8 | MagicalTux | 0 |
| 8 | Benson Samuel | 0 |
| 8 | ercolinux | 0 |
| 8 | TECSHARE | 0 |
| 7 | Bicknellski | 0 |
| 7 | LoweryCBS | 0 |
+-------+-------------------+------------+ Could we get a update of this list please? Thank you. |
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I think most people witnessing his behavior here will deem my actions appropriate. What is important when trading is people know I am not a thief, and my previous trust demonstrates that. You might write this off as being ego driven, but it has a very real effect on my ability to sell when people make a habit of this behavior. Instead of a marketplace thread it becomes a neckbeard herp derp party, at which point no one is even looking at the product any more. There is a lesson to be learned here, I am not about to quit when he is on the verge of understanding the price of his behavior. One way or another he is going to deal with the results of his actions. He can decide which way.
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This has nothing to do with risk. He could choose to continue to try to harass me, and I could leave negative feedback again. It is the principal of the matter. He shouldn't have been doing what he was doing in the first place. He was provided many opportunities to leave or diffuse the situation, instead every step of the way he chose to escalate. I have already taken several steps to deescalate this situation. He has taken none. I feel I have zero obligations to compromise with him in any way, especially since he has demonstrated he is unwilling to do so when offered. Instead he opted to dictate to me what he wants done. He has no leverage at this point. Regardless of this I am again stating I am open to deleting his feedback if he removes his posts in my ops, locks this thread, and deletes me from his signature. He can learn to act like an adult or live with my feedback. Its his choice. |
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I corrected my mistake and I already offered him a solution to this. He could just delete his posts in my threads and be done with this, but clearly he would rather create more drama. Just check out his signature now. Maybe next he will change his name to "tecshareabusedthetrustsystem".
Who do you think stands to lose more as a result of this drama? I think the more appropriate question is why did it begin in the first place? I can't find any good reason. I am not interested in negotiating with him AFTER he already screwed up and was given multiple opportunities to resolve this, but refused. If he wants to resolve this all he needs to do is delete his posts from my marketplace OPs, its pretty simple. |
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I corrected my mistake and I already offered him a solution to this. He could just delete his posts in my threads and be done with this, but clearly he would rather create more drama. Just check out his signature now. Maybe next he will change his name to "tecshareabusedthetrustsystem".
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Thank you for your opinion, but that's all it is. Your opinion. We are all free to use the feedback system here without coercion regardless of a trade occurring, or your indifferent proclamation of moral violations. This was a direct attack, not just a casual comment or two, and I consider it to be indicative of being untrustworthy. |
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Bottom line, if you can't trust someone like TECSHARE, who has conducted himself impeccably
Until now... Should never leave negative feedback for personal reasons, esp if you are on the default trust list. I got drunk one night and left negative feedback for someone based on a personal reason. The next day the community ripped me a new one before I apologized and removed it. I have no idea why the same thing is not happening here. I think the amount of times you have left negative feedback for people for a hunch or personal reasons can't be counted on both hands and feet. He was directly attacking my ability to trade here for no other reason than to troll. That's not personal, that's business. Well it appears that the OP has actually deleted his posts on your thread but your negative feedback remains on his profile. From the looks of it though the OP was making valid points about your price. Gift cards are never going to trade at above face value (if they are available for $0.95 on the dollar from the store they are redeemable from and you are selling them at $1.00 on the dollar then you are selling at above the cost to buy it). I would consider what the OP was doing on your thread to be pointing out that you were offering a bad deal. It is common and expected for the community to point out these kinds of deals From the looks of what is still on your thread, it appears that you take criticism (constructive or not) very poorly. This probably escalated the situation by causing him to want to continue to argue. EDIT: it would appear to me that you are holding his reputation hostage until he deletes his comments about you offering a bad deal to someone that might trade with you. So other people get to decide what price I get to sell my property at now? Asking for what I paid for an item now is unreasonable is it? I shouldn't have a right to have a thread without people using it as a tool of harassment without any desire for actual trade whatsoever? BTW for you information he didn't delete his posts, he deleted one then continued to post more after he was emboldened by the resulting replies. Its not like I am misrepresenting myself and trying to cover something up, its simply not any of his business what I sell my property for. BTW he hasn't deleted anything: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=32469.msg9438249#msg9438249https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=844619.msg9437997#msg9437997https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=709278.msg9438300#msg9438300https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=35656.msg9438146#msg9438146 |
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Bottom line, if you can't trust someone like TECSHARE, who has conducted himself impeccably
Until now... Should never leave negative feedback for personal reasons, esp if you are on the default trust list. I got drunk one night and left negative feedback for someone based on a personal reason. The next day the community ripped me a new one before I apologized and removed it. I have no idea why the same thing is not happening here. I think the amount of times you have left negative feedback for people for a hunch or personal reasons can't be counted on both hands and feet. He was directly attacking my ability to trade here for no other reason than to troll. That's not personal, that's business. |
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They should definitely remove counterfeit bullion bars, they are illegal. They are only used to scam people and rip off trademarks. Reported the thread already but it was ignored by moderators. Same goes for johnniewalker selling knock off designer items, like Tiffany clips or Louis Vuitton wallets. I have no sympathy for these multibillion dollar companies who produce these products but the end result is consumers getting fake goods. You're probably saving the sellers a lot of grief because the legal teams will catch up to them. You are confusing a civil matter with a criminal matter. Copyright infringement is a whole other realm of law. They might be able to sue him, yes, but the forum would not share in liability as they were in no way part of the transaction. |
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I think with the 1BTC now removed his feedback is valid and this thread is done.
This ^ , as I understand it the only thing that made my feedback invalid was the value attached to it. I corrected it to a zero value, therefore the reason for me leaving the feedback is irrelevant because it is valid. I did not understand this important distinction when I left it, and I have corrected it. If you want me to remove my now valid feedback you will have to have a discussion with me and no one else. I am satisfied to let you harass me all you like now, or you can remove your posts in my OPs and never come back and I will consider removing the feedback. Feel free to PM me, or just make more drama like you do best. Make it simple, you remove content that you shared (truth lie or otherwise) regarding me, I remove all content I shared about you, such that no reference is made about either party from the other party. When it is finally agreed that all other items have been deleted, this thread will also be deleted. If you agree I will erase the posts that you have highlighted. No thanks. I am fine to let things sit as they be. Let me know what you decide. |
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Anyone would be stupid to buy PAMP bars now, especially from someone in this forum. You could be buying one of johnniewalker's counterfeits.
See this is a common sense conclusion... we all know they are around.... BTW don't these things have serial numbers? |
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