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9761  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How to play gambling in a smart way? on: January 05, 2017, 09:02:17 AM
You have to separate between money will you use to gamble and money for your everyday needs. It's better if you separate them little money to gamble mu, more for your everyday needs for your everyday needs is definitely very much. And do not place a bet that is too big, just plug in your bets a little, if you win you will get the money even less, and if you lose you will not lose too much money. And discipline in doing so, it is the most important thing.

I don't get all your statement, but the last part is the best, it is what is needed if you want to look wiser than others. Discipline, planning each bet and not just putting it and wait for the result, I know that planning each bet has nothing to do with winning, but it is essential for you to atleast have some seconds to think and monitor your time, bankroll and how you feel.

Sorry all, you don't understand my statement because I'm pretty hard to explain my statement, everything is in my head but it is very difficult for me to explain, I know once my statement, but it's hard to string words to be understood by people. And the result is not even understood my statement, I'm sorry. To my statement that you understand, I thank you for having appreciated. I will correct my sentences in the future. But remember, Always Discipline.
That is understandable if English is not your mother tongue, hence it's not good to make a statement long that would already confuse the reader. We try to understand each other here as we are communicating thru a discussion with different people in different countries, but the bottom line we need to maintain our discussion on a healthy and productive manner.
9762  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Because house/bookie always wins on: January 05, 2017, 08:54:17 AM
Yes, it is true. Every gambling sites are like this which the house always win, and the percentage of winning is lower than that percentage of losing, that is why most of the gambling sites are rich and have many bitcoin. Other players are just investing their bitcoin to the gambling sites because they are staying on side that has a less risk compare if you are just going to spend it in gambling. In my opinion, rather than doing gambling as the way we earn bitcoin, doing other things that have less risk are more appropriate and worth than gambling like Trading and posting in this forum.
Owning a gambling house itself means trading.so i am providing that opportunity to people here to start earning money rather than losing in gambling.
If coders are giving edge to house then the site can run for some time and after that people will lose trust on them and willl not invest in such casino, I think they need to be fair in gambling, and only then they can expect to be successful in future and to run for a long time.
I strongly agree with this statement, as a gambling operator you can fool some gamblers but not all, there are smart gambler who will do an audit of the system to protect themselves from any possible rigged games.

I think since gambling sites has already the advantage, they will win in the long run so what they must do is to take care their clients and let them feel you are being fair.

It's the reputation that matters after all, other wise you will lose players that bring you profit.
9763  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Dice Games Are So Much Fun on: January 05, 2017, 08:48:01 AM
gambling is adictive, so you should know when to walk away no matter if you are winning or losing, otherwise you are in trouble

That's right, our emotion is not needed here, we have to play with our brain. Learning to accept loses is very important, it will help you minimize your loses and avoid addiction that some people is having a hard time to solve.

Dice is a very intense game as the outcome is very fast and you might rage if you have no control over yourself, and with that it's possible you can lose a big amount of money even in a short period of time.
9764  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling for a living or a living for Gambling? on: January 05, 2017, 07:51:07 AM
If you aske me if I am one of the two option ( gambling for a living, a living for gambling) I would say none of the above.  I never use gambling as the way to earn a living, I have my jobs that can support my family.  And definitley not a living for gambling, i will never put my family on the line just to play gambling.  That act is insanity !.


Note:  For and from are two different preposition that give different meaning when used.

I agree, I just gamble for the fun and nothing more or less, its just that gambling has to be fun and you should not depend on it too!

Yes, we should treat gambling as a source of entertainment, fun and a way to ease our boredom but it is not that bad to hope for some amount to win but of course don't hope to much for it, because you will think that gambling will be a way of living like those people who have experienced to earn good amount in it. That's why most of us don't really gamble for living.
There's no pressure when treating gambling as an entertainment because you will not think of getting back your loses whenever you lose. It's no burden as you believe you are spending not investing to expect something in return. It's on the mentality of a person, and I believe those who believe gambling is for fun will survive.
9765  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How do you know when to stop? on: January 05, 2017, 06:52:36 AM
I always know when to stop. When I already get a decent income for that day, I stop. When I feel like I'm always losing, I also stop for a while.
In short, you will know when to stop if you have control over yourself.

Good for you if you can control your self in the middle of the situation, but that's not always the case. Most of the time if you are in that euphoria, you will always pull in more funds for your bankroll and panic a lot and starts to bet like there's no tomorrow or as if you are very sure about your bets.

Self control I think should be done before playing, setting limits either on time or in your bankroll. There's no perfect way to do it, but practicing it every day could help a gambler have a self control.

Play with limited balance, stop when we lost it all, dont try to chase our previous lost. If we got lucky and can double our starting balance then send our profit to other places/withdraw. With that method, I think I can control myself and hopefully will help other people aswell.

But most people are not like that. When they win they want to have more. If they lose they try to recover they already losed. Both situation just end in the same result, the loss of money from gambling. And it gives a bad result in your future self. If you continue doing it you might get addicted and got broke someday.
Expect that to happen, it's not new to us, the fact that we loses in the long run, the real winner will always be the gambling sites. That is why as a gambler, it's necessary to know when to stop, it's not a marathon anyway as whatever angle we look we cannot deny the fact that gambling sites has more money to lure us to play but we only have limited amount to lose.
9766  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you feel shameful for being a gambler? on: January 05, 2017, 06:01:31 AM
No, I don't, but perhaps that is because I gamble for fun.

I believe that people are ashamed of gambling when they develop a problem or addiction, because they are seen as weak willed and stupid. I think that if you feel ashamed of gambling, you might have a problem and might have to seek help if necessary.
Those people who feel shame with gambling is when their place is actually prohibit gambling.
People around you of course will looks not good when know there is someone who break the rule.
Someone who did something that considered as a bad thing such as gambling i guess.
Being ashamed is like we are doing something wrong, and I believe we do gambling because it's fun and we do not see this as a wrong activity in our life. We know the risk but still do it because we believe that we can handle it ourselves, there's nothing to be ashamed even if you are addicted, it's your life, we made mistakes and we have a chance to change for the better.
9767  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can gambling be considered a "high risk investment"? on: January 04, 2017, 12:53:58 PM
Investing and gambling is a matter of decision making so this things will always rely on you. How much to lose or to gain is depending on your bets , same with when or where will the betting be. High or low risk it doesn't matter. The risk is always there.
yes no doubt about that that there is always involve risk in gambling but it depend on your bet if you put high bet then there is high risk but the winning amount will also be much more as compare to low bet.
I think there are so many other factors also involved to this concern, like it depends on your way of gambling you play, your experience also matter there, your skill and your luck also responsible for that. So, I think not only gambling but trading and investment can also be consider as high risk investment .
i don't think gambling and trading are an investment generally , indeed all of them have a risk. but doesn't mean it's investment. gambling just have the highest risk among all of them due the fact that it's about game of chance like 49:50 or 50:50 while in trading it could be 20:80 or even better. pretty much different i think, not comparable.
Whatever definition we have in our mind, we will agree that we all do that because of money, we want to gamble due to the fact that we want fast and easy money, but it does not happen at all. While in trading, it's more legit to be consider as an investment because you invested your money with whatever asset you want (preferably bitcoin) and in times you can sell it for profit you trade it back to fiat.
9768  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can gambling be profitable in long term ? on: January 04, 2017, 12:16:10 PM
On the average,we can all agree that gambling might not be profitable whether short term or long term because the final determination is to compare the overall winning with overall losses and that will happen if I have made up my mind to quit. However, what I will see as longterm is actually reducing the amount of losses made, thereby increasing the gains. For some games that relies on luck such as dice or high and low from now till ten years I will say the chances of winnings will still remain same but for games like PVP then number of years will count towards logterm profitability.

well the games like dice and others that you named here are purely based on luck, and this means you can not do anything to change the results. when you roll a dice you can win or lose and it doesn't matter if you have lost 1000000 times before that you can still lose.

but in games that are based on skills there is a totally different story going on. if you spend some time learning the skills needed for those games you can eventually turn them into a profitable thing. but it takes time.
yeah actually you would never success in a pure luck games like roulette, dice and any other similar games. you would always one step behind house edge, if you won 1 bitcoin today , and you would lost 2 bitcoin the next day and so on. but if you talking about poker and sportsbetting where bankroll management really work here in the long run, you can make it.
In that kind of games, it's better to set an amount to win then quit when you hit that, the reality will always strike if we do not know how to stop as in a games where's there's a house edge, we always lose in the long run. If you are lucky and you win big amount, you can transfer to other games and let's say you win 1 BTC, then it's already a good bankroll to start with a skilled based games.
9769  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What is your reason to gamble? Fun or profit? on: January 04, 2017, 09:59:51 AM
I'm not sure that the people who say that they are gambling for the benefit they get what they want. I thought it was just wishful thinking to themselves. Because the fact, more lose money than make money. That fact, and you should be able to accept it. Maybe there are a handful of lucky people who benefit from gambling. So lying or not, can be accepted or not, gambling is a game played just for fun.

Yup...gambling is just for fun. We should treat it as a way to try our luck in a very limited time only. Recently, I saw a lot people that already got lucky while gambling but they keep betting and forced they luck and finally as
the final result they got busted. 
That's true, most gamblers that's want to try luck in the first place, but when the moment they enjoyed to play gambling they already wanted to win and wanted to get the jackpot which is we don't know when we will win in gambling exactly.
That's normal as even not in gambling we all want more in life, it's human nature that we seek the best and we want to be in a situation also that we are recognized that's we brag our winnings sometimes. The problem with us is we are doing it in a place that losers are rampant compared to losers, so it such way we must be contented even having a little profit as profit is profit.

Going further will only make us lose, there's always another day to gamble so we can enjoy our profit now as we stop.
9770  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Play with your profit or not? on: January 04, 2017, 09:45:44 AM
It's better to take out the original money and only use the profits. Also if you can start taking the profits out as well, that's even better.

Yes this is what I do also and believe that it is better to secure the capital that you have used as you gamble and just use the profits that you made. In that case, if you win again then you are winning out of nothing but also from the money that you won. And if you lose, then you are just simply giving back the money to casino and lose nothing.
It can only be applicable if you win all the time, when you start your gambling session you should expect that you win then you take out your capital and go on with the profit already. I think it will not happen all the time and no gambler can ever do that even the professional gamblers.

well you can never know these things about gambling or anything that is luck based for that matter. but in my opinion things are a lot different in different games. for example if you win a big amount like the jackpot in a luck based game then it is better if you withdraw.
but in games that are mostly skill based i think it can be better if you keep the profit (since it wouldn't be huge anyways) on there and continue betting with it.
That can be done if you have satisfaction or you have goal in gambling, it's actually easy to say that but when you are in the situation where you feel you are so lucky, you might not recognize the word stop. Most gamblers are greedy, though we have won we still want for more. Having said that, our only way to win in gambling is when we have a specific plan and we will be able to execute it properly.
9771  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What is your best luck and worst luck gambling experience? on: January 04, 2017, 07:41:00 AM
When I hit 9900x after three rolls at a new seed is my best luck so far. And nowadays, whenever I changed my seed, I will use the first 3 rolls for 9900x hunt. And the worst part is when I had more than 100k reds while hunting 9900x and due to the system maintenance, I had to change my seed before I hit 9900x.
You are lucky enough already, I wanted to have such kind of wins like yours. I think brother you will not be able to repeat your luck at 9900x, it can only happen once in our life IMO.

I have already accepted that I will not be lucky enough with dice, as of the today, I am already down BTC2 and I need to turn things around in favor of me. With that, I have to try different gambling games and I am trying my luck in sports now.
9772  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: NBA System Play 16-9 This year on: January 04, 2017, 07:26:48 AM
yeah new day tomorrow Smiley
That's the spirit, there are a lot of games to see and your journey must not end in one night. I hope you will bounce back tomorrow mate. Let me suggest, maybe you put some explanation on how you come up with your bet/s, it will be more fun and it will help others to be convinced, just saying..
9773  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: So should I make this bet with 1 bitcoin? on: January 04, 2017, 07:09:59 AM
Too bad mate, you have no patience over your winnings. What made you think that they will not release the funds, they are just taking extra precaution as the amount you have won is a big amount. They will certainly not gonna destroy their name with just BTC1. Next time, always impose patience, you hit it once and I am pretty sure you are gonna hit it again.
9774  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: gambling trading or giveaway? on: January 02, 2017, 10:16:43 AM
I prefer to do all of the options. So, if I have enough time to join some giveaways then I will do it and whenever I already claim the reward. That's the right time that I am going to first choose to trade it. And after getting some good profit in trading, that's the right time when I am going to have some fun by getting small portion of it and gamble.
I too usually will go with both two options, to me I like trading and mostly I earn money from trading as I have also good experience in  trading, but I also like gambling and cannot stop gambling ever, although I invest little money in gambling but still I like to play gambling.
i will also go with both options although i have no such experience in gambling but as gambling is mostly depending on your luck therefore i some time i like to test my luck and play gambling but with little money.

Hahha, you are someone who is silly and not knowing that gambling depends entirely on how you do it and it is not completely dependent on luck, if indeed you already have experience in gambling so I doubt it is friends!!!. For if you already have experience and will certainly not thinking that the main thing is luck in gambling. If you want to get an advantage then you must focus and should be able to control yourself
 
Even though there are gambling games that requires experience and analysis but most of them does still purely depend on luck because no matter how good you are if luck isnt on your side you will still lose.Controlling yourself is an important thing on.I will definitely choose up trading against those two options because potential profits in trading is more than on gambling and giveaways.
yes that is a fact that gambling mostly depending on your luck, if you are lucky then you will make good money and if you are not luck then you will lose your own money in gambling, but in trading you can use your  mind also therefore i  will always recommend trading and not gambling.
We need luck but we need hard work to succeed than rely on luck alone. Gambling is not the best solution if you aiming for greater income, there's always a better job or investment that could give you consistent income like trading or doing an online job. However, since the topic let me choose among the three, I would choose the most popular way of making money which is trading. With it, you can grow your skills along the way, unlike gambling where the longer you play the more your skills deteriorated.
9775  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why is gambling so addicting? on: January 02, 2017, 10:01:23 AM
I don't know why but I always get a feeling to gamble, after then losing my money, I quit for some time and then continue, but I know I will lose my btc Sad

Why is it so addictive?
yes my feel too , i think gambling was created with in addictive
and addictive is a sign that gambling ..
interest in gambling is the beginning of addiction. Well, I guess it's fair goes back to play, even though you know that the money you use to gamble it will run out. Well, almost everyone who gamble like that. I guess it is the effect of gambling, and it does have a sense of enormous interest to try again.
No I do not think so. I am very interested in gambling but I have never get addicted to it since I joined the gambling industry in 2015. I know that gambling is just a type of entertainment so I rarely think that I can have a decent amount of money there. Even though you may win some games, the house will know the way to retaliate and take back the winning money
I think you are the most lucky person who is not addicted to gambling, there may be very little number of people who can claim that they are not addicted to gambling and they can stop gambling any time they want, as most of the people who are playing gambling on regular bases are mostly addicted to gambling.
Yes if someone can control to stopping gambling anytime they want surely they are not addicted but im a little bit not trust about it due I have try to control my self when gamble but mostly failed.

That means you are addicted to gambling. Because if you're not addicted you certainly can stop anytime you want, it is as easy to talk, but it is a fact and not just talk. Because it is in this world a lot of gamblers who easily quit whenever they want. If you're not addicted, you also must be easy to stop anytime you want. Self-control is going to be difficult if you're already addicted, it's normal.
Sometimes we think we can easily stop prior to actual gambling but the real battle is when we are playing already especially when we are down with  big loses, that time is a hard time for us and only few can stop and keep the remaining smaller portion of our bankroll to end our day.

That is what you called, easier said than done, every gambler can testify that as we have certainly experience it.
9776  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What gambling method are you using for Dice? on: January 02, 2017, 05:26:12 AM
I just started using a pre-configured bot for most strategies out there and it seems to work on most well known crypto dice sites

Hmm, a great advantage for you friends!! . And do you now can get the bot ..?? , And whether it could be used by everyone..?? . But I hope that the bot does not contain a loss for those who use it, my point is not in the content with a keylogger. If that is the case then you will get a great loss, because there are several players who could track someone from anywhere. "so, do your best and hopefully you get a good profit in gambling

A method to exploit the dice sites has not been found nor created, we live in the world where we are just gambling on a chance not favored to use. Only when we are lucky will we win, hence, in connection to that, any method you find will just be a fantasy as that will not bring your long term success.
9777  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin IS basically DESTROYED on: January 02, 2017, 04:35:19 AM
Why would they do anything detrimental to Bitcoin? It would hurt them more than anyone financially.
Because they as a society, are greedy. Being blinded by this fact, they do not see this as a mindless act that will backfire on them.
Satoshi thought of this in his creation of bitcoin. Keeping it decentralized was his plan all along people tend to forget this.
The creation of satoshi was awesome because until now we are still using it. Before I came in the crypto world, I was thinking of a way to invest but ever since I am already a fan or unique ideas and it's just timely I was able to find bitcoin and until now I am enjoying my stay here.

I think I will be here for long, as bitcoin is very successful now, I cannot let this opportunity to just slip away in my life.
9778  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should Bitcoin even have a future? on: January 02, 2017, 04:24:47 AM
Yes I think bitcoin has future as everybody nowadays prefer everything online

Of course it does have a future at all everything that has been helpful and good to all of us deserves it. It is now a well-known internet currency and no doubt that its popularity will keep on increasing and it can be known for the next few years, even though we are still few in this society I know that one day bitcoin will be used by many countries and users.
That's a great vision and hopefully we can see that one day, not for us but for the next generation. It's a long process but with continuous growth of bitcoin, we can achieve it someday. Just never lost faith with bitcoin even in times it will experience crisis as strong currency as bitcoin will vow to rise after every trials.
9779  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2016/17 NBA Season on: January 02, 2017, 04:17:07 AM
MVP race is harder now. Westbrook still has better chance because his triple double average but Harden is close 2nd. No other player should mention in this MVP race. They can't reach these 2's numbers.

i agree with you, but i am pretty sure, none of them willnot play NBA finals, i thing final will be GSW vs CLE once again. these two teems are the best nowadays in NBA
Comparing two teams between the rockets and the Thunder to enter into finals, I see more light with the Rockets. They are playing a new system now under a new coach and it has been working as we have witnessed with their very impressive record, and if I am not mistaken, it's the best season for Harden so far, Westbrook maybe has a little advantage in terms of athleticism but harden has greater basketball IQ.

If talking about these two teams entering into finals, it is possible to them and they have the chance to make it up to semi-finals and as well as finals.
But I will also go with Rockets, even though Westbrook has been showing us good performance with his team but still that is not enough to make it to the finals, I admire more Harden on how he plays wisely.
Harden has been playing smart with his ability to draw as many fouls in a game, but this time is a challenge for him and his teammate has really help him a lot as well. Way back when he was still in Oklahoma Thunder playing with westbrook and Durant, it was only his first time to enter in the NBA Finals and now the 3 have separate ways, they will be proving who will make it to the finals against the east champ.
9780  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way for steady income on: January 01, 2017, 11:24:22 AM
I think we must have real business for steady income, I ever work but the salary is very small and not enough for the needs of every month. But with small business I can grow up and bigger than job.
So you mean bitcoin is not good for steady income and can't give steady income to us? I don't think so. we can start a small business with bitcoin also. we can start a small website. a small digital shop or trading and exchange business for bitcoin.
even I think bitcoin have more chances to make steady income if we follow the right ways.
in the world of bitcoin i think the only study way of making bitcoin is a signature campaign, a signature campaign can only give you a steady income otherwise there is no other way of steady income.
bitcoin might be in the world, the only chance that you can get a steady income is a way to follow the signature campaign, well, I could not agree with it. but, we do not know how long it will continue, because according to my experience, until now very much a signature campaign that has been stopped. it will not give you a steady income forever.
You're right. It may give you temporarily consistent earning but that's only as far as when the campaign is active. Then you look for another campaign to join. So it's really not a good idea to rely on signature campaigns although it's good while it lasts. Bitcoin is a good way of earning money on the side but not as a bread and butter type source of income, especially if you have a family to support. Having a regular job or running a business is still more secure.
Think big, do not limit your imagination, doing signature campaign as your way of earning money is good but not too good. You can actually access a lot of opportunity that is bigger than you can imagine, people got rich in bitcoin not because they are playing safe but because they take risk and doing investing rather than working is always a better way to maximize your income.
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