As for something that isn't proven I think the evidence speaks for itself. A company without a real address asking for $500 per person for something on good faith when they dont list any names, just the picutre of the lady in this picture who appears to be working on some of the boards. If she is soldering, where is her solder bulb?
I can't disagree with the idea of sending money to a fictional address being unsettling at the least. I believe you are mistaken about her equipment though. That gun is slightly more advanced than one that is used for solar panels(I've placed a few). She appears to be holding a pick in her left hand and I would assume that solder gun has the 'bulb' built in, i.e., bead type. Not real up on those but I know its a lot more advanced than your standard, tamp controlled gun. Note the Cute Tape ships there behind her working platform. And, look closely at the edge of the white binder there. It bears the name of some equipment that is not cheap and jsut wouldn't be thought of to fit 'the scam', imho. hell, that Dry keeper alone is about a grand.. $300+ magnifying light. The shadows from the boards look right to me and the luminescence and sharpness of the photo seems to match enough to be from the same or similar quality camera as their others. Though, I suppose it is possible they hijacked a picture of a lady working at a desk at a lab and imposed the boards into it...  Lots of people have equipment and I tried to look up the manual but could only make out "Machine Manual - MY Series Vxxxxxx Series 2.4". Just because you have the manual to something doesnt mean you have the actual item. It could be another part of an elaborate ploy to make them seem legit or maybe she really does work with electronics. The shadows do not add up no matter how you look at them on what some people called the heatsink covers (unmarked silver casings). They do for the one in the bottom left but not for what she is working on. The one on the bottom left you can see the reflection of the capactiors but this is also possible to do in photoshop. Even if the boards are real other people have stated that they could have ordered some that are mocked up for them for cheap. The shadows on the ones she is working on and the fact she is soldering on a side that doesnt have solder connections is indeed strange. It is possible to build a bulb into a soldering gun and I assure you I do not use a standard solar panel one as I test and certify them. I build custom electronics to test and verify them however and it does seem a little large. As I said I hear all kinds of claims and always view them with a degree of skepticism. I have been proven in the past and it would be interesting if I was. Even so they could have raised a lot of capital to further this scam at $500/pop already though. Once again, just playing devil's advocate here, but you don't think that she could have just held up a tool and a board to pose for the picture that she's obviously posing for? |
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I am in for 6btc. Bitches love garnets.
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Look at the pictures with the lady from the update... If she is a so called ninja guru why would she be holding a soldering iron at 800F so close to her hand? Its very easy to get some fake boards and the more elaborate the hoax the more willing people will be to believe it. Someone has been offering for weeks to come over and verify that this is real and they live across the street from the KC address.
This entire hoax could have been done for under $1000 and anyone with any technical knowledge about FPGA's and ASIC could easily pull this off. I personally know a dozen people off hand that could do this easily and probably would if they thought of it first.
Like I said before if I am wrong I will eat my dirty socks. If it sounds like a duck, walks like a duck, talks like a duck... its probably a duck.
This is my post damn near verbatim from a few pages back. Bullshit, you read the thread. I read about shadows and the granny thing. I thought the reference to the shadows was about an earlier picture of the board. I also thought it wouldnt hurt to show the picture and reinterate it. It appears you agree with me though so I don't know why you would take offence. I was going to circle the shadows that were questionable but then I would have to host the pictures to display them which is too much effort right now lol. I meant the second part about how this could be done by anyone with $1000, a bit of technical knowledge, access to google, and three months to work on it. |
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As per one of my other posts did you look at the shadows on the chips in this picture? Not to mention if that iron is hot (which I use a similar one all the time) I would not be taking my eye off it as they leave one heck of a burn. I deal with testing and certification of solar panels so I know all about ligthing and I do not see any possible objects that would create the shadows in this picture.
You really don't see that halogen light there? Pointing down on the boards at an angle consistent with their shadow? |
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Look at the pictures with the lady from the update... If she is a so called ninja guru why would she be holding a soldering iron at 800F so close to her hand? Its very easy to get some fake boards and the more elaborate the hoax the more willing people will be to believe it. Someone has been offering for weeks to come over and verify that this is real and they live across the street from the KC address.
This entire hoax could have been done for under $1000 and anyone with any technical knowledge about FPGA's and ASIC could easily pull this off. I personally know a dozen people off hand that could do this easily and probably would if they thought of it first.
Like I said before if I am wrong I will eat my dirty socks. If it sounds like a duck, walks like a duck, talks like a duck... its probably a duck.
This is my post damn near verbatim from a few pages back. Bullshit, you read the thread. |
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All I can say is that if this is real, I would be sweating bullets if I was running a 36GH/s GPU farm right now. It'll change the game pretty quick. Yep. Or maybe not. There are people that dont pay for electricity, or have extremely low rates; For them, this isnt much of an improvement. Cost per hash is somewhat comparable to a GPU setup, but its a riskier investment. You can sell GPU's if bitcoin implodes, but its gonna be a lot tougher selling these boxes. So Im not sure how much of a difference it will really make. I think the free and nearly free electricity guys are as much a threat to one's 36GH/s farm as this product. A while ago some Canadian posted who has electricity from hydroelectric. I dont recall the exact rates but it was low enough it might have been nothing and make wonder why one wouldnt rent a studio there and fill it with mining equipment. Everyone pays for electricity in some form or another. Solar panels cost money and have a limited lifespan, any lease with electrical utilities included will be quickly corrected after the first contract period of getting burned. It says the firmware is upgradeable, so it could probably be applied to other cryptographic applications with a bit of tweaking. That's what it sounds like they are doing from the website ("Release schedule: Were currently working on final MCU firmware and software device drivers. It is our expectation this will complete within a two week time frame. Note: Members of our packet verification product program will receive a different firmware package and your deliveries will be staged based on final firmware for your application." I think any of us could pull off something of similar quality and magnitude if we hadn't any scruples about it.
I disagree. I know I couldnt. Not without hiring a photographer (really, it looks easy when you see the result, but just try to make a picture like that that I would confuse with a professional one), an engineer to make credible PCBs design, a company to make those PCBs, rent the equipment you see in those photoshoots, hire a website designer, rent the office space, outsource the production of those (clearly custom) alu boxes, probably hire a consultant to proof read everything on that site and make sure its all plausable. Thats a pretty penny for a scam. impossible? No. Implausible? I think so. Hence my bet  You are thinking to small. I could do everything you listed above for under $2000. Again, I am merely playing devil's advocate, my favorite spot on the field. Dual zoning; you can live in your office, negating that expense. It is obvious from the pictures that it is zoned commercial/residential. Those aluminum boxes could be fabricated by just about any machine shop that handles aluminum. I have had aluminum equipment hundreds of times the size of these custom built and powdercoated (or anodized depending on the application) for less than they charge for a single unit. Obviously, you can't compare apples to oranges and I was building lighting racks with built-in heatsinks, but materials are always the lion's share of expenses in metal fabrication. I could find a metal shop on Monday that would crank those out -finished- for under ten bucks a pop. The PCBs are a non-issue, as has been addressed numerous times in the thread. Even the design could be poached from any of the numerous open-source FPGA projects without too much trouble. Three months is plenty of time to learn the software enough to tweak the designs. Proofreading for plausibility....they screwed the pooch on that one; everyone on here was shouting 'bullshit!' the instant they saw the numbers. |
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Yeah, unfortunately it's just an Atlas gimmick.  The real Atlas would have screamed bloody murder and have accused me of being a scammity fraudster again for mentioning that bitcoin he owes me. I don't know...maybe our little forum clown is growing up? |
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All I can say is that if this is real, I would be sweating bullets if I was running a 36GH/s GPU farm right now. It'll change the game pretty quick.
Fancy photoshoots? Anyone with a DSLR could take any of the pictures on there. That housing probably isn't custom, and even if it was, you could have them cranked out cheap as all hell. It's aluminum, the absolute easiest metal to work. No one has seen the offices, and you can google how to design and build PCBs all day. I mean, they had three months from 'scam' inception to look at the other products on the market and make theirs look right. I am merely playing devil's advocate here and pointing out that none of that stuff cited by P4 is very meaningful. I think any of us could pull off something of similar quality and magnitude if we hadn't any scruples about it.
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I think its getting pretty obvious its not a scam. Its just too elaborate for a complete hoax. It could be in theory, but why would they make it so elaborate? Makes no sense to me. It may not be a scam but to say it is too elaborate to be a hoax is a logical fallacy. Just because most scams are so shitty they are immediately obvious doesn't mean they all have to be. I mean by that logic Bernie Madoff was wrongly convicted. He ran an entire office, and fake trading floor, printed out years worth of fake settlements, and fake trade reports, gave fake profits, and hired staff to process and manage all the fakeness. Why make it so elaborate? How much does it cost to put a non-functional PCB under some heat sinks and slap it in a case. If you are an out of work college grad selling 100 nonexistent boards for $500 each = $50,000. Not to bad for a couple months work. Their website didn't even exist 3 months ago, it was a website for butterflies. Exactly. They could only be in all of $500 and some time on it. If street criminals are calling confused old people saying 'Abuela! Abuela! They have me in jail! You have to pay them so I can get out!' and fleecing them, I can only imagine that would be simple for someone of intelligence and EE competency to pull something this elaborate. Pictures don't prove anything. I will make you products all day that look good but don't work. All you need is a Maker-bot and a CNC router and you too can manufacture anything for appearances. |
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Guys.. I've never had the feeling more than I do now after reading this thread.. Atlas is maybe a clever troll.. Props.. He has responded god knows how many times on this thread alone, and they all have been complete utter ridiculousness, one more wilder and bizzare than the next, complete lack of basic human compassion, common sense and moral center. Its hilarious! They all have gotten a furry of responses (emotion) back from each new statement of craziness from us. Its fascinates me this person Atlas could actually be and act as he describes himself. But it MUST be an act? it HAS to be an act.. We have been trolled.. this is one big long troll..  I think the same thing, but then I remember how stupid and cocksure I must have been at 17 and I start to doubt my doubts.... |
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I am pretty curious to see what happens. The plot is thickening considerably with these press releases. Delivery time still 4-8 weeks...convenient...
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Looks fancy. 20w is 20w...it probably needs a fan, especially in such a tight box. I know that a 50w aquarium heater can keep 10 gallons at ~78F when room temp is around 69F. If you touch it out of water, you'll leave some skin behind on the glass.
Regarding betting, last time I was in Vegas was during the NBA playoffs and I went to the book at the Sahara (stayed there right before they shuttered the doors...friggin' crazy free-for-all) to put a sawski on the Lakers taking it. Betting $20 would have returned $22...and people were still betting up a storm! I think even if you had floating odds, you'd have plenty of takers. Compulsive gamblers don't give a fuck whether they win a hundred or a thousand dollars, it's about the thrill of the game.
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But betting that Goat wont be betting $10.000, thats zero risk. Have a look here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49372.0Goat's saying he is in debt and asking on this forum for a $1000 loan so he doesnt have to sell his GPUs. But one would believe he has $10.000 and he'd risk that on a bet? Ha! Then he better not hope the BitForce miner is real, or he'd become even more indebted: $10000? Okay, I will pledge I will pay $10000 in cash on site or in bitcoin for this product if it works. After it is tested! I am well know in the KC area and known to have the cash on hand if needed. Regarding the Bets of Bitcoin bet, I'd have to agree somewhat with Goat here; it's obviously not set up properly. Betting is allowed until January 1st, 2012. So if Butterfly Labs delivers within the 4 weeks time frame they promise as the earliest, anyone can go to that bet and bet 1000 BTC that they will deliver and take home some of the winnings, risk free. I know it's time weighted, so they'll make less money than the ones who made the early bets, but I argue that they shouldn't make any money at all, when they bet after outcome has been determined. The betting deadline for the bet should be way sooner, maybe in a week or so. In my opinion, it's less than optimal to make a bet on something for which you don't know the odds. This is the case with Bets of Bitcoin. I could make a bet on Bets of Bitcoin thinking the odds are great, and someone who agrees with me could go in afterwards and bet 10 times as much, completely changing the odds for me. It doesn't make any sense to bet your money unless you know the odds beforehand, in my opinion. ^^Do sports books lock in the odds when you bet, or do they move with the line? e: looks like the line moves constantly until the bet is placed and those are locked in as your official odds...the same should hold true on that site if it's designed correctly...which I kind of doubt. |
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I don't have many coins but if you can get someone to fix it, I am willing to contribute what I have. I have 165,000 i0coins I have mined and willing to donate to the chain if someone will fix it and an exchange opens.
I don't have i0coins to contribute, but I promise to put in all the mockery I can. |
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You can sell me your i0coin or send me right here for free jQgormyW4LW923F6bU3VhVrR4Xg9nrHZZH I offer 1.1 BTC. Actually why would anyone steal i0coins or ixcoins at this time when they can't do anything with it at all.
What are IXC or I0C dead things used for now !? Nostalgia? Actually, I don't know. I think they have become the preferred unit of currency in the gay club-drug scene. lol - well, if I every take up clubbing, drugs or become homosexual, I'll be sure to take my i0coins with me. At the moment I'm 0 for 3. It's great...you just use an app on your phone, transfer some i0coin and BAM, a hipster on a fixie arrives and is slapping a bag of poppers and meth in your palm. |
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You may have noticed the defintions of humility you quoted don't mention value.
Everybody has things they are better at than the average person, while conversely, everybody has things they are worse at than the average person. People humble enough to recongnize this can exchange goods and services to their mutual benefit. If you do not recognize your limits or the ablilites of others, any exchange you enter into will likely be inefficient and sub-optimal.
To force people to accept a sub-optimal exchange involves coersion.
So people who are not humble steal? Considering your aversion to humility and the fact that you indeed stole, the answer seems self-evident. I swear on my life that I haven't stolen anything of value. Theft is theft regardless of value I couldn't care less. I haven't revoked any significant value from anybody. If there is no victim, why should I care? I'll steal all I damn please if it doesn't cost anybody anything. No victim, no problem. Victimless crimes are only marks of tyranny. Victimless? a crime has a victim by definition You seem to be confused. Who is the victim if I walk out my back door and pop a couple rounds off into the tree trunk back there? Cause it's super-illegal... http://gawker.com/5858759/100000-atlas-shrugged-dvds-recalled-for-perfectly-hilarious-reasonThis is why I came back to this thread... Laws aren't morality and I don't stand under them. I do what I prefer. It's not a matter of who is going to let me do something. It's a matter of who's going to stop me. Who's going to stop me from firing weapons on my own property? Probably nobody. My neighbors are very friendly and I can do it regularly despite the local ordinances. You know who else does what they want...Cartman. That's you! Did you ever see your life hitting such lows, where you were the cartman amongst a bunch of pasty computer dweebs that aren't getting laid? I mean...that's gotta suck. |
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You may have noticed the defintions of humility you quoted don't mention value.
Everybody has things they are better at than the average person, while conversely, everybody has things they are worse at than the average person. People humble enough to recongnize this can exchange goods and services to their mutual benefit. If you do not recognize your limits or the ablilites of others, any exchange you enter into will likely be inefficient and sub-optimal.
To force people to accept a sub-optimal exchange involves coersion.
So people who are not humble steal? Considering your aversion to humility and the fact that you indeed stole, the answer seems self-evident. I swear on my life that I haven't stolen anything of value. Theft is theft regardless of value I couldn't care less. I haven't revoked any significant value from anybody. If there is no victim, why should I care? I'll steal all I damn please if it doesn't cost anybody anything. No victim, no problem. Victimless crimes are only marks of tyranny. Victimless? a crime has a victim by definition You seem to be confused. Who is the victim if I walk out my back door and pop a couple rounds off into the tree trunk back there? Cause it's super-illegal... http://gawker.com/5858759/100000-atlas-shrugged-dvds-recalled-for-perfectly-hilarious-reasonThis is why I came back to this thread... |
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You may have noticed the defintions of humility you quoted don't mention value.
Everybody has things they are better at than the average person, while conversely, everybody has things they are worse at than the average person. People humble enough to recongnize this can exchange goods and services to their mutual benefit. If you do not recognize your limits or the ablilites of others, any exchange you enter into will likely be inefficient and sub-optimal.
To force people to accept a sub-optimal exchange involves coersion.
So people who are not humble steal? I like your math, son. 2+2=23p7548-98875=60943;nksdf;dsfg;m ds; ,m ;mp /;,mcx,h |
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You can sell me your i0coin or send me right here for free jQgormyW4LW923F6bU3VhVrR4Xg9nrHZZH I offer 1.1 BTC. Actually why would anyone steal i0coins or ixcoins at this time when they can't do anything with it at all.
What are IXC or I0C dead things used for now !? Nostalgia? Actually, I don't know. I think they have become the preferred unit of currency in the gay club-drug scene. Yeap I got the i0coin client, easy to mine but problem is no one is supporting, no exchange nothing. You're looking in the wrong place. |
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My inner parent wants to send both Atlas and Matthew to their rooms and cut off their internet access until retirement age.
Except then these two would be like those two old Muppets at the theatre, unable to hear, see or taste and screaming insults at each other over who invented the theatre and who paid for their seats. you made my day. |
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