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981  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Low cost but effective solutions to gambling addiction on: October 25, 2023, 11:46:56 AM
I think rehabilitation centers for me will be the most effective solution to gambling addiction. I am not sure if it has fee but yeah addicts should go there for immediate and safe recovery. Diversion of someones addiction from gambling to other things could be difficult in the first place.

I'm pretty sure those things would cost a lot of money, so it is not a perfect solution.

In an ideal world we would have access to free mental health care and other things, but that's not the case in most of the world.

And it is tricky because casinos of course would want to keep the gambler addicted, and the governments get money from the casinos, so there's not much incentive for them to treat the gambler and help them stop...
982  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: October 25, 2023, 11:44:35 AM
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I don't have a crystal ball and can't tell whether Messi and Ronaldo will play at the World Cup 2026 or not, but if it was only about the money and nothing else for both of them, wouldn't they have retired from their national teams by now? Did you notice that both Ronaldo and Messi scored very important goals for their respective national teams in the last qualifier games? If these signs could be interpreted somehow in this moment, I think they speak rather in favor of their participation at the World Cup 2026 than against it, but this is only a snapshot. Things can change or escalate quickly when one of them stops scoring and teams, coach and the fans become more critical of them.

Yeah, that's a really good point that I haven't considered.

It might be the case that they both might want to play in the next world cup. At least I'm sure they want to keep the options open.

It would be nice for the next generation to have the chance to play though.
983  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Changed the game you gamble on? share your story. on: October 24, 2023, 02:47:35 AM
It is hard to change the games that you've been gambling on for several years. Like it's already on your daily routine or if you don't gamble a lot, that only means that you've been stuck on it and not willing to leave that game for so long. That's the reason why those games that I like I only gamble on, sometimes I try to gamble on games that I don't usually go on but they're not interesting to me because I just don't like the mechanics of the game and the game itself. That is the reason for those sportsbetting like basketball and boxing, these are like the main sports of the majority here in our country so it's like part of the culture already.

Yeah, that's partly how addiction is formed.

You start with something new, you like it, and then you continue doing it.

At some point it becomes your new normal, and actually not doing it feels wrong or negative. Then the withdrawal stage starts until you get a new normal again.

Behaviors can be as addictive as drugs.
984  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: October 24, 2023, 02:45:52 AM
I would say there is a possibility of Ronaldo and Messi playing in 2026 world cup more than Neymar being able to play. Two of them may or may not play based on their age, and Messi wouldn't be even that old, he would be around the same age as Ronaldo was on the last one, so it is not really that weird and could happen, and Ronaldo is inhuman and still looks like he is on top form so another 2 or so years for him to keep playing is not shocking, it may happen, not saying it will because it also depends on if the manager will pick him and if manager dislikes him personally then even if he deserves it, he may not get called up.

However, Neymar keeps getting injured all the time, sure this one will heal by then, but maybe he will get injured again?

Messi and CR7 are probably going to be retired by the time the next world cup comes.

They are now just trying to get as much money as they can before retirement. It's not like they are playing for the fun of soccer, it is just money for them.

They could also stop playing and they would be earning more in ads. Pirlo and others are making a lot of money appearing in ads in Dubai for example.
985  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? on: October 24, 2023, 02:43:31 AM
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First is, it is not even right at all to take or consider gambling as a job, so, to this is say that whoever is addicted to gambling is addicted to gambling, it doesn't matter if the person takes gambling as a job or not, gambling is not even a profession, why should someone in all the professions all over the world choose to gamble as a profession? this is absolutely not right if I'm asked.

And yes, there indeed can be someone addicted gamblers who are really successful, but the ones I've seen or come in physical contact with did not actually make the money from gambling per say, they have built and established businesses that make millions of dollars or whatever currency for them, they just spend their time and money on gambling as a way for them to have fun.
This kind of people usually do not even know that they are addicted to gambling since they already have more than enough money to gamble for life and never feel the negative impact of losing money in the process .

True.

At the end of the day, a professional is basically someone that makes money from an activity.

That's why the term "go pro" is used in skating and other sports, the moment they go professional they start to earn money by doing that activity.

Any professional exchanges time for money.

Gambling though is a service that is bought by gamblers. It is basically the hope to become rich at some point. That is valued by gamblers, and they pay for it. They are not getting paid to gamble, so they are not professionals.
986  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: do you lose on slots? on: October 24, 2023, 02:39:55 AM
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I experienced it firsthand. Usually I get a win after making two deposits. It is not a habit that I can be sure that even a small win can be obtained when making two deposits in one type of slot game that I play.
Today, I got a profit of around 25% of the amount of capital I deposited. I played on PG Soft for about 1 hour. The first and second deposits are the same amount. The total capital I played was around $205 but used fiat currency.

I lost my first deposit. While enjoying, adrenaline rises. I made a second deposit and played on the same slot but the bet amount was bigger than the first deposit. I won not in the free spins, but in the normal game.
Stop and withdraw some balance and return to normal activities.

Our brains are fantastic at creating narratives and stories around things that happened.

The important thing to know though, is that those stories and narrative don't have to be true for your brain to believe it.

That's how most of the superstitions were created, two independent events happened at the same time, say a black cat crossed and something bad happened. Then you see it again with another bad thing happening, and there it is, your brain now connected them, even though the cat has nothing to do with the other event... or does it?  Grin
987  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who among you here is gambling at work? on: October 24, 2023, 02:37:08 AM
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Instead of just gambling, even playing games on a smartphone can be reported to superiors if our colleagues don't like seeing us playing that game.
This will endanger our jobs. If our superiors find out, we can easily be fired because we have violated the rules in the office. We can play games or gamble, but we must look at the situation and conditions and wait to do it while working.
We don't want to jeopardize our position in the office. For this reason, we must be able to manage our time for work and gambling so that nothing is disturbed.

I would rather postpone my gambling time than have my work disrupted because I can get a salary from that job. And that means I can meet my family's living needs.

The thing is that, even if you manage to gamble in work time and not get fired, your performance will definitely lower.

And also, at the end of the day, you will lose more money than what you are generating, so you will have to work longer for the same amount of money. Doesn't make too much sense.
988  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Not keeping records makes me a bad gambler? on: October 23, 2023, 02:08:47 AM
Good day crypto Famz, I will like to ask gamblers this question, is there any gamblers on here that keeps record of their wins and losses? Do you keep a record of all the pennies you use to gamble and also the result?

Someone whom we both have this discuss yesterday said this is a good practice, I still don't see a reason why because I don't keep record of my losses, I tend to only remember when I win a certain amount, if its good enough you won't easily forget, but apart from this I don't care.

So Famz, is there any benefits when one keeps record on their losses and wins? Is there any thing to gain when you write down all the money you spent in gambling and also how much you have made so far?

Not keeping records, does this make me a bad gambler?

The whole industry of gambling thrives on this. A gambler will lose a few times and win a few times. They will usually lose more money than they win, but when they win they will talk about it with everyone. When they lose, they will keep it to themselves.

That is basically what the casinos want, free advertisement for them, and basically selling this view that you could earn a lot of money, when in reality only the casinos will make the big bucks and most gamblers will lose it all.

So, yeah, the most common thing to do for a gambler is to forget their losses and only share their wins. It doesn't make them a bad gambler, they are just a normal gambler.

The only thing that will happen is that the gambler might have the wrong impression, and they might think they have won more than what they really have because they are ignoring losses.
989  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Low cost but effective solutions to gambling addiction on: October 23, 2023, 02:00:01 AM
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It is a working strategy I see and cost-free but of course, it needs dedication from the gambler who wants to stop their addiction to gambling, or else, it is useless. Cross-addiction, getting addicted to other stuff like sports could really forget gambling totally and interest. But as I've said, it all depends on the person who wants to change because many have tried but many have failed as well. Generally, it is all about controlling ourselves but with the help and strong support of the family members and friends, that is somewhat possible.

True. At the end of the day, what you do most of the time is what defines you. So, if you end up spending a lot of time at casinos, you are a gambler.

If you instead use that time to do other activities, your brain will slowly change and you will not have that urge to gamble any more at some point.

It does require some time to have your brain re-trained like that though.
990  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who among you here is gambling at work? on: October 23, 2023, 01:58:06 AM
Thank you for sharing your experience OP. I never gamble during work hours and rightfully so as there is almost always some work that would need my attention.
Gambling in the workplace could definitely lead to a decline in your productivity at work and being your primary source of income, the effects that would follow wouldn’t be pleasant. I think gambling in your workplace could lead you into financial ruin even faster than playing physically at a casino as you’re at work most days of the week and could likely gamble each day you go in for work.

When you’re out of money to gamble, your work buddies that may or may not be your gambling buddies could lend you some money to pay back when you receive your paycheck. Sllowly, your debt begins to accumulate and then, no one is willing to lend to you anymore. You head over to the bank or worse, a loan shark to borrow money. Your financial woes would only get worse.

There is a time and a place for everything. You certainly shouldn’t be gambling when you should be trying to earn your paycheck.


True, gambling at work just sounds like a bad idea overall.

It might limit how much work you can get done, it might cause you to get fired, or even having to pay fees if somehow you did something wrong legally speaking.

At the end, most gamblers will lose money, so it just doesn't seem like a good idea to do it at the place where you make money.
991  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: October 23, 2023, 01:35:02 AM
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Yes I agree with you, that Neymar may not be plying anymore when the 2026 WC is held. The reason is quite basic and one of them when he often suffered injuries throughout his career and that alone made him give up and decide to retire.
Brazil we know that they are the creators of a very potential young seed, and it would be nice now that they are looking in that direction. Maybe in the last few years they have declined a little bit and can't compete anymore, they have to realize that.
Next year they will also have a new coach, the one who is in charge of Real Madrid now, Anceloti C.

I'm not that sure, Neymar is only 31 years old, so he will still be in a reasonable age to play the next world cup.

The thing is that he of course might get injured, but I don't think there is a higher chance of injury right now than what there was a few years ago, so I reckon he might still play.

We've seen Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi playing in a world cup with many more years, so it can definitely be done.
992  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: do you lose on slots? on: October 23, 2023, 01:31:37 AM
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Everyone who played slots before has the same chance of winning. But after they play for a while, it will be seen who is lucky and who is unlucky. Those who are lucky are the ones who can win and some can win a lot of money.

And for people who lose playing slots, they will become even more emotional and still want to get their win. They don't realize that they are unlucky and should stop gambling immediately. Another day, they will be lucky when playing slots again, which means they can win a lot of money from slot games.

You can only label someone "lucky" or "unlucky" based on previous performance.

That label doesn't have any predicting power, so in the future the "lucky" ones might lose, or the "unlucky" ones might win.

This is something that might be counter-intuitive, but that's just how probability works. Every single time someone bets they have exactly the same odds, over and over, independent of their previous wins or losses.
993  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Low cost but effective solutions to gambling addiction on: October 22, 2023, 09:28:33 AM
First thing first is that, an unemployed person should not engage him or herself in gambling, since one rule in gambling states that people should only gamble with as much funds as they can afford to lose, every penny is important to an unemployed person, so i see no reason why such persons should engage themselves in gambling to the extent of even getting addicted.

And secondly, talking about the low cost and effective solutions to gambling addiction, I would say that one way is for the addicted gambler to find some else doing that will keep him or her so busy that they will hardly remember to gamble, and by the time such a person finally have time to rest which could trigger the urge to gamble, the person would have become very tired that he or she will just doze and sleep off due to lack of physical and mental strength to gamble.

The above, i personally believe can be a free and very effective way any gambling addict can cure him or herself without having to spend so much on therapy or whatever.

Yeah, something like this makes sense.

If a person is busy doing something productive most of the day then it means they won't be able to spend their money and time gambling.

It is clearly a problem when people suddenly have too much time in their hands and get bored, because they might end up being attracted to gambling, where they can lose all their money.
994  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2023/2024 on: October 22, 2023, 09:26:34 AM
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Despite his age, Cristiano Ronaldo scored more than 40 goals in 2023. In the match they played against Damac, they won 2-1 with 2 magnificent free kick goals. Talisca scored an unexpectedly great shot from the first free kick. The second free kick goal came from another master, Cristiano Ronaldo. Here, a player from Damac did not jump, the ball went over him and into the net. If you are defending, you should take precautions when taking a free kick.

It is a bit unfair to compare number of goals at different leagues.

The European leagues are way more competitive, and scoring there is way more difficult.

A goal is not the same everywhere basically, for CR7 it is clearly easier now than before.
995  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: I am only trying to stay safe by gambling less on: October 22, 2023, 09:24:05 AM
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Right. Basically the act of taking risks is a gamble right. But the key difference lies in the approach and mindset. When it comes to investing in cryptocurrency, it's about making informed decisions based on research and a well-thought-out strategy and usually investors aim for sustainable growth over the long term. On the other hand, gambling often relies on chance and random outcomes. While both activities involve risk, investing focuses on managing and mitigating those risks through knowledge and strategy. So taking risks in investing is more calculated and grounded in analysis than the purely chance-driven nature of gambling. OP did his part, you really cant explain further to close minded people, they have to understand it theirselves.

Investing into a project or idea is different than gambling.

In gambling you are basically paying for the small chance of getting rich, whereas in investing you are following a plan that basically should give you some level of positive return.

The main difference being that in investing the expected value in return is positive, whereas in gambling it is negative.

Of course investing requires more work than gambling, but it also should give you positive returns.
996  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: do you lose on slots? on: October 22, 2023, 09:21:42 AM
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thinking everyone has the same luck is a really mathematical way to see the world but I don't think it works like that, in my youth I met a guy who was younger than me and used to win almost all raffles and "bingos" he joined
he got lots of televisions, travels, house utensils and all kind of stuff by winning these contests all based in luck, no skill

I don't talk to him anymore so I'm not sure if he's still lucky or not but it was definitely not normal

quite nice to see though

It is indeed seen or experienced like that, basically a few "lucky" ones might be seen winning a lot of times.

But in reality, it is just random, and the probabilities are the same for everyone.

Of course, after the fact, some people will have been luckier than others, and you could comment on that, but before that happening, basically everyone is the same.

And once someone got labelled "lucky", it might stick forever and whenever they lose, people will just ignore it, and whenever they win they will reinforce the idea that they are lucky.
997  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The madness of gambling addicts. on: October 21, 2023, 11:21:12 PM
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Sure deal! even how careful you are it's not an assurance that you can escape or you can avoid addiction, there are factors that may lead you to become addicted, most common is the enjoyment and fun that you gain at the beginning of your game or participation, thru time you see your adrenaline and appetite increase from that point, chances that you may exceed and may lead to addiction is possible, and there's no exemption on it.

Spot on.

And the thing is that most probably a person will get addicted when they are not at a great time in their life, for example they might need a bit of extra money and they try to make it from the casino.

In the end, those people will probably end up very addicted trying to get some money, and in the end lose it all.
998  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: I am only trying to stay safe by gambling less on: October 19, 2023, 11:15:55 PM
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Apart from others, it is just for fun; probably for others, the reason they keep coming back is because they think that when they play again they will be able to make up for what they lost the last day they gambled. There are others who may also think that they will get lucky that they are this time and will get the jackpot.

These kinds of thoughts are often the reason for other gamblers and those who have addictions; their bodies are looking for them; it has become a routine, so it is not easy to get rid of them, just like that, of course. They don't think about whether they will lose again, and their thoughts are all positive.

Yeah, I think that might be the biggest reason for financial ruin, trying to get back at the game to recover losses.

In the end the losses will just continue to accumulate until there is no more money to be used to gamble.

It is a reasonable thing to think, if the odds were not against the gambler. But since that's the case, it is almost inevitable that the gambler will end up in financial ruin, unfortunately.
999  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: October 19, 2023, 11:12:51 PM
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Argentina are currently in first place in the qualifiers, which is not surprising after they became world champions last season. But what is surprising is that the second place is not Brazil but Uruguay. Uruguay, Brazil and Venezuela have seven points each in the standings and it is a serious competition between the teams. Colombia by the way has six points, which may cause problems for the leaders in the future. Probably we are waiting for an interesting qualification.

It is still too early in the qualifications, any ranking right now is almost entirely random.

Having said that, the 2 - 0 win of Uruguay against Brazil is important. Brazil qualified without losing a single game in the previous world cup. Now they just lost in the beginning against Uruguay.

This tells me that Uruguay will be one of the favorites. I mean, they are very good anyway, and have won the world cup previously so no surprises there.

The South American qualifications are always fun to watch, every team is good.
1000  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: To protect consumers, Australia has introduced new regulations for cryptocurrenc on: October 19, 2023, 11:09:28 PM
For the life of me I never end up trusting governments when its about things like this, I just end up trying to find some conspiracy theories in order to make it not make sense at all. Sure "a government put regulations on exchanges to protect the customers" sounds like a normal thing but we are so not used to normal things that I end up thinking that we could be maybe seeing something much larger at play. Something like these regulations require some sort of payment to government to check it or maybe it requires them to pay more taxes because they are labeled differently and all that, I keep trying to see if there is an angle of it where government gets away with something.

Yes, it is very annoying to see that banks are basically telling you how you can use your own money.

They have restrictions such as $1k per month to be used for exchanges, etc.

It is insane that they just come up with these numbers and block what you can do with your own money.

CBDCs are being tested these days, and they will probably be implemented in a few years.
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