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981  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who among you here is gambling at work? on: October 15, 2023, 04:33:02 AM
I'd like to share my experience with you all. Even though I'm not currently employed, I went through a phase of gambling while I was working in the past, and the outcome wasn't positive. It affected my job performance because, as you may know, when you lose, you tend to dwell on your losses and constantly think about strategies to win. When we talk about work, it usually means we're not particularly wealthy, and imagine what happens when we gamble money we can't afford to lose, especially when we're not earning much.

Let me tell you, the feeling is far from pleasant. It leads to a decline in your work performance, which can have significant consequences since that's your primary source of income. It might be manageable if you're winning, but the harsh reality is often quite the opposite. Even when we do win, we tend to spend most of our winnings, so we don't treat it as business money. This leaves us in a precarious situation when we lose because the money we initially budgeted for our families gets diverted to cover unexpected gambling-related expenses.

I'd like to hear from those of you who have experienced this or are still dealing with it. Please share your testimonies.


Yeah, I don't think anything positive could come from gambling while working.

Your attention will be focused on the wrong things, and losing money, which is the most likely scenario, will simply compound the negatives feelings.

It will probably end up in the gambler losing their money and their job eventually.
982  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: who Want To Bet On 2024 USA elections? on: October 14, 2023, 09:58:05 PM
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Polls are not supposed to be use as a foretelling way to analyze election results. Remember the so-called red wave which was supposed to ensue last midterm election?
It turned out to be very disappointing for Republicans, because the polls were predicting a massive win over democrats both in the Senate and the house of representatives. It did not happen, and considering this incoming presidential election is more revelant, important and also impredictable than the midterms. I would take all poll predictions with the grain of salt.

In reality either of those both candidates could have a significant lead and we would not even know about it until election night. It is better just to go in intuition and own research to decide where money us to be placed, when comes to bets

Yeah, polls are basically the main tool we have to estimate how the population will vote.

They are not perfect, but I don't think there is a better tool out there.

Maybe with AI and the massive privacy issues we have they might get a better model.
983  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? on: October 14, 2023, 09:55:56 PM
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Not only a gambler become addicted by winning but a gambler can also become addicted to gambling due to loss. I have seen some people who want to quit gambling but they can't because they have a lot of losses that they want to recover. If he withdraws from gambling at this point, it is not easy to quickly recover his lost money through other jobs. But he is losing more money than he is trying to recover his lost money. Gambling can become addictive even if one wins and has the potential to become addicted even if one loses. A successful gambler is not addicted. Very few people in gambling become successful.

Yes, and actually the number of successful people in gambling is so small that it might as well be considered zero.

It's weird that people don't consider these things and put a lot of money in the table, knowing that the casino has an edge.

I guess it's the stories of the few winners that keep the rest motivated.
984  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The madness of gambling addicts. on: October 14, 2023, 09:54:12 PM
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Getting a small win will make them even more curious about getting the big win, even though they should be able to realize that the big win will be more difficult to get. They don't need to try to get a big win and maybe they can try it a few days later so they can lower their emotions first rather than immediately continuing to gamble.

Only good self-control can prevent gamblers from always returning to gambling and not being tempted by the offers they see at the casino. They can restrain themselves from trying to win another big win because they know that they have had enough gambling and do not need to try too hard at gambling.

Yeah, that is the key really, self control.

The casino will try everything they can to keep the big winners inside the casino to keep them playing more, with free drinks and food, because they know that eventually the gambler will lose all the wins they had.

It's up to the gambler to step up and leave.
985  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: I am only trying to stay safe by gambling less on: October 14, 2023, 09:52:31 PM
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Well but it is difficult to run many gambling sites at once because not all sites guarantee the same win and they have different playing styles. If the money comes from professional bettors for big capital you want to bet with money because it is considered sharp or smart money it requires a lot of skill. If the money comes from average joes who are betting for fun you want to be against the money because it is considered public investing is a better decision than gambling.

Another thing to consider is that some sites might have a fee for deposit or withdrawal, so if you have multiple accounts, then you might end up paying a lot in fees.

At the end of the day the math is the same in one or multiple sites.
986  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: October 13, 2023, 11:16:51 AM
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Messi will definitely be involved with the Argentina football team in 2026 but there are doubts about whether he will take the field as a player. Lionel Messi's age has not affected his performance. He left Europe last season, if he hadn't left Europe he could have stayed in Europe for a few more seasons. Recently I heard some rumors that Lionel Messi will return to Europe again he will return to his old club Barcelona but I don't know how true these rumors are. If Lionel Messi plans to play in the 2026 World Cup then he must come back to Europe again because no matter how good his performance is in the league he is in now, his performance against European teams is nothing, so if he is to play in the 26th World Cup, it must be a tough fight to pass three years.

Playing for four years in the US and his increased age will definitely lower his performance.

I don't think it would be a good idea for Messi to play in the 2026 World Cup, he could do marketing, ads, etc. But playing?, much better to give a chance to the next generation.

Messi already won everything there is to win. No need to try again in 2026. He will probably just keep playing in the US for a bit to make some extra cash, and then retire.
987  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: do you lose on slots? on: October 13, 2023, 11:14:35 AM
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Of course because some of the games that @Lucasgabd has mentioned are games that require gambler skills there are several opportunities that can be created and then exploited to win.
But unfortunately not all gamblers like this game because it requires intelligence and skill to be able to master the game.

Things like counting cards for example were easier and more effective to do a long time ago. Nowadays most casinos have changed their rules and make most of these techniques almost useless.

For example, they would use multiple decks of cards, and reshuffle often, and in roulette they have added a double zero along the zero, making it more difficult to win.

Winning in casinos has been getting harder and harder over time.

Even with the most skilled player, the odds are against them in the long term.

Of course some people might get lucky and they might stop gambling then and have a win, but those are really rare. Most people will lose, or if they win, they will continue playing until they lose.
988  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Slots 101: Basics, Strategies, and Discussion (with poll) on: October 13, 2023, 11:10:53 AM
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It is not necessarily so. Saying from my own experience of almost a decade of gambling online, indeed, I finally lost all my balance on several sites, but I won and withdrawn on several occasions either. And I personally in profit from all my gambling, but I know it was just luck, I know you can lose everything, but I can't agree that a gambler will necessarily end up losing their money.

It is just math and probability. Most gamblers will end up losing more than they win.

Also, keep in mind that a lot of people tend to forget their losses, and exaggerate their wins, so that's also another thing to consider.

At the end of the day, casinos are making a lot of money, and that money comes from somewhere.
989  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The madness of gambling addicts. on: October 13, 2023, 11:07:19 AM
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Stopping gambling must be done by gamblers who have been gambling for a while because by stopping gambling, they can calm themselves about the results they obtained previously and think about what they should do. If their previous results were losing, it might be a good time to stop gambling and leave the casino. And if their previous result was a loss, they also have to stop immediately because continuing to gamble will only trigger their emotions to increase and there will be thoughts of getting the next win.

For this reason, a person must be able to control himself during and after gambling to see that he has had enough gambling. That will prevent him from experiencing more losses and also prevent him from developing a gambling addiction.

Yeah, that's the thing, pretty much all gamblers will end up losing more than what they win. But it is the few small wins that make them interested in trying again and again.

It's a tricky thing to get out of because everything in the casino is designed to keep the gamblers playing and betting as much as possible.
990  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? on: October 13, 2023, 11:01:10 AM
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Successful gamblers can be as you say, but some say that successful gamblers win more often than other gamblers. They can regulate their gambling and not be as passionate as other gamblers. And they can get the win but don't chase the win like other people. They can stop thinking there is still another win when they have already won.

This group of successful gamblers who have been gambling for years can make more money than other gamblers. They can learn from their mistakes and estimate their chances if they continue gambling. They will not be greedy in expecting another win and can think about when they should stop, especially after getting their win. They can also enjoy their winnings more often than other gamblers because they can stop on time after winning.

They can prevent their gambling addiction and are not tempted by other promotions. They think they have to control their thoughts so they don't become addicted to gambling.

That would just be random then, basically a gambler A winning more times than a gambler B is just random.

But in the end, even if the gambler A wins more, the casino will win even more, so the gambler will end up losing some or all their money.

That's just how it works, it's math and probabilities in games designed by the casino, which is just maximizing their wins.
991  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How was your first experience with gambling? on: October 12, 2023, 02:41:10 AM
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Yes large capital does not guarantee a good winning because your luck doesn't shine every day,  there are times that you will have to build up that energy to be able to set a limit no matter what your capital or luck is because in continuing, you tend to risk more even,  so best you allocate limit to each gambling outing and if online there should be a clear demarcation between when gambling and when not to gamble because doing other wise will limit your overall performance and may lead to a more severe and bad outcome.

Nevertheless, as a gambler one also can go overboard and over-excited to go more further but the outcome of that has not always been a friend and since we have to understand what it means to be addicted,  so we know the risk of getting too much involved in gambling.

Yeah, the amount of money the gambler has doesn't really matter too much because there are maximum and minimum bets on every game.

The only thing the gambler needs to do is to avoid financial ruin. And that can happen very quickly if they start increasing their bets.

And in every single bet the casino has an advantage, so that basically means that the gambler will almost inevitably run out of money eventually...
992  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [POLL] Using AI to predict outcomes on: October 12, 2023, 02:35:53 AM
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I have never thought of this but it may as well be very much possible after some time and of course no human being can check that many resources in such a short amount of time,it can help make better decisions when placing live bets and that could be a good start for AI helping humans winning a bit in sport betting.Of course that AI would be used by the casinos too and they would put mechanisms in place to protect themselves by changing the odds faster and thus leaving many of us without the possibility of betting.

I think that only when AI will be developed to check a lot of resources before a game starts and make a decision that statistically will be the best,that would be a good start.

At the moment there is no reliable way to determine if a text was written by AI or a human.

In the same way, there will probably be no way of determining a bet was the output of an AI or a human intuition.

Casinos will probably will have to keep an eye on someone winning too much money, but they won't be able to know why, and all their checks would come back reporting that the gambler has done nothing wrong.
993  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: do you lose on slots? on: October 12, 2023, 02:33:33 AM
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there are card games like blackjack, poker, so forth and so on
I think these are the only hope for those who want to have an edge

and on online casinos there's sports betting, you can probably have an edge with these too.

Yeah, those games are as close to parity to the casino as possible, but still, there is an edge for the casino, even if it's a small one it will make a difference.

Sports betting might eventually show sometimes an advantageous bet for the skilled and knowledgeable gambler, but it will probably only work from time to time, not in reliable way for the long term.
994  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How will you feel if it happens to you just like this? on: October 12, 2023, 02:31:10 AM
I have tough losses all the time or games that I KNOW I should have bet but didn't or forgot to.  It happens to me ALL the time.  That said, I try not and take it any further than that weekend.  If you sit and let it stew, you're just going to drive yourself nuts unnecessarily, and whats the point of doing that.


Just make simple easy bets is all I can say.  Don't stress so much.

The thing is that you probably also have not bet on things that you would have lost, but you don't remember those as much as the ones where you would have won.

At the end of the day it's all about probabilities, you will simply win less times than the times you will lose. That's just how the thing works.

And the mind will only remind you of the times you missed your opportunity to win big, and ignore the times you lost without betting on it.
995  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: October 12, 2023, 02:27:40 AM
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I am not that sure whether he will be interested in playing. Just a few months ago, he rejected a billion plus USD offer from Saudi Arabia and chose to move to the United States instead. His wife wanted to settle down in the US, and that was one of the reasons why he made that decision. Given all this, I don't think that he will continue to play for another 3 years. My guess is that he wants another year or so with the Major League Soccer (MLS), and after that he is going to retire from professional football.

Yeah, that's what I think as well.

Relocate to the US with a company paying for it, get some extra money for a couple of years or so, and then retire to make ads for whoever pays the most.

He would be able to make the ads from anywhere in the world really, or at least it would be a simple short trip and back for a nice amount of money.

Pirlo and Salgado for example have been making ads for Dubai.
996  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The madness of gambling addicts. on: October 11, 2023, 12:35:02 AM
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Losing is the result that most gamblers get because they think that with one more play and they will win a lot of money. That's what they think when they gamble, especially if they have too much hope in gambling to win.

The casino business is a business that can give hope to people who are desperate for money. And the promotions he carries out can make the gamblers come back more often than before. And that only happens to gamblers who are very eager to win even though winning in gambling is very difficult. They have to really control themselves so they don't experience too many losses.

Yes, you are spot on.

The casino basically sells hope, and charges a lot for it.

In the end, the gamblers usually would have gotten a much better future if they invested their money instead of gambling it away.

But that's the high they get, the probability to win a lot of money in a short amount of time. Even though at the end of the day most gamblers will lose it all.
997  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: who Want To Bet On 2024 USA elections? on: October 11, 2023, 12:33:19 AM
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We are talking about a presidential poll, and this is for aggregate of polls. In this case, I would say that the +1.0% lead shown for Trump is not very insignificant. And as a matter of fact, different poll agencies have published POTUS polls for the last few days. And out of the last 17 polls, only three have shown Biden in the lead. All the other polls have shown either Trump in the lead, or a tie. Given this, I would say that Trump is clearly having an advantage right now. And also, the electoral college system will amplify that advantage.

Still it is not a massive difference, and many things can change in the time we have until the election day.

In any case, it can go either way I think, either Trump or Biden might end up being the next president.

A 1% difference in a poll is still too small in my mind.
998  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: October 11, 2023, 12:31:52 AM
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Maybe Messi won't get anything in the next World Cup, but what some users here have mentioned is that Messi is still Messi, a football superstar who has become the idol of footballers all over the world and that also includes Argentinian footballers. Messi won't get anything, but young Argentine national team players will get something very valuable in their lives, namely playing football with Lionel Messi. It is possible that in the 2026 World Cup there will be several new faces in the Argentina national team and we can confirm that their average age is 20-29 years which means they are football players born in 1997-2006 and it is certain that they will be very motivated for every match.

Yes, but I think it is time to leave the space so that other promising younger player get the chance to play.

If Messi goes to the world cup, then they will definitely put him on the team, leaving the younger players with less experience.

I think it's his time to retire at the peak.
999  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? on: October 11, 2023, 12:30:14 AM
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As much as luck remains the primary determinant of a gamblers fate, we could still bank some on skill as, there are a few games that uses a bit of skill and know well in a fair play situation to determine who wins. Games such as we have in sports betting. It’s almost normal for the elite teams to take the lead and shine on every time with some few cases where you can have even an almost relegated team come up with some surprises and be the victor.

Another game for the casino board games is the game of poker and even blackjack. Play your cards right and you just might find yourself winning impressively.

Still, there is a luck factor attached as, you never can accurately speculate when those surprises are going to come or not. So, you don’t ho all in at any point. It could easily turn out to be a big mistake.

Yes, but at the end of the day you could have a naive gambler that played a crappy game that has high odds for the casino, and still managed to win because of luck.

On the other hand, an experienced gambler playing a game like blackjack which has a lower advantage to the casino might lose their entire stack.

It's true that skill might be needed, but at the end of the day it is still a random event.
1000  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Bitcoin betting on the 2024 US Presidential Election on: October 11, 2023, 12:28:10 AM
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Ironically, lately Biden has done nothing to prevent more sections of the wall to be build, approved the deportation of people from Venezuela back to their country of origin,etc.
Biden may be in his golden ages, but as a politician he is not stupid, he knows people from New York (a democrat/blue location, is suffering for the immense inflow of migrants without having a proper preparation and he does not want to be pointed out as responsible for all the chaos, specially as close as we are from the election day.

This all situation is nothing but a softball for the political rethoric of Trump and the Republican party, I would not be surprised his in the following polls Trump started to even take lead over Biden by some points. Because, whether we like it or not, Trump is good enough at using others mistakes against themselves, for his own political benefit..

I think Trump has a real possibility to become president again in the next elections.

The people in the US are getting extremely polarized and they don't seem happy with the current situation.

At least around half of the people said they would vote for Trump, so that's something that will make it very close on election day.
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