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981  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why is Butterfly Labs so secretive? on: October 13, 2012, 02:28:54 PM
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/content.php/120-BFL-Invests-in-Assembly-Equipment?#comments

"Once the machines are fully installed, we'll be happy to flood you with photos and assembly videos"

Where are this pictures?  2 weeks to shipping and machines is not installed? LOL  Shocked

BFL has publicly stated that the first run of units to ship are still having their fabrication outsourced. They hoped to have their pick/place, reflow oven, etc in place and running early enough to manufacture them in-house but it didn't work out that way. Likely we don't have pictures of the finished product yet because they don't actually have a finished product in their hands to show us - it's still out at some fab house. Now I'm sure they have a prototype of some kind, but prototypes also tend to be larger and uglier than finished products, usually don't work as well as finished products and almost invariably reveal more copy-able information than a finished product.

That does not matter they are sent a test batch of chips, they should have proto-types. The factor sends chips to be texted to make sure they do not make 1000's of bad chips.
982  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why is Butterfly Labs so secretive? on: October 13, 2012, 02:27:14 PM
E.g. in another thread someone asked for the structure size (110, 130, ... ? nm) of BLFs ASICs.

Why is not even this information publicly available? I mean it's only two more weeks until the scheduled launch date.

Because no company is actually required to give you any of this information, you're just spoiled by the radical transparency of most Bitcoin ventures. BFL isn't doing anything that Samsung, Intel et al wouldn't do.



From, for example, Intel we have this information years in advance: Haswell will be 22nm, then Broadwell with 11nm, then Skymont with 10nm. Do its competitors (e.g. AMD) gain any benefit from this information? No!

Sure they do, but they only gain whatever information Intel is willing to let them have. A timeline/roadmap for the future of a well-established product isn't a lot of information, the nm process of a brand-new never before seen product is a hell of a lot of information. If you were running BFL wouldn't you want your competitors to be fully entrenched in potentially inferior processes before you released data about which process you're using?



I mean it's like back in July 1969, two weeks before Apollo started heading for the moon. Imagine if NASA would have said: "No, we can't tell you how many astronauts we put in that spaceship ... (because with this information the Russians would be able to build their own rocket in just one weeks - and win the race to the moon)". Ridiculous.

Except that NASA is a taxpayer-funded entity explicitly designed in such a way that all of their records, discoveries and processes are to be public information (with exceptions made for national security etc of course, it's the government, whaddya expect?). BFL isn't, they're a private company and as such are under no obligation to give you a thing. Hell, what they've given you is already more than what most companies would give you for an unreleased product. Did Apple release PCB renders of the iPhone 5 prior to release? Hell no, they barely gave out STATS let alone pictures of a running device or half the things people are demanding of BFL.

So please, BFL - give us something. And not just rendered pictures of a Jalapeno (aka black Apple TV device).

They've already given you quite a lot. The similarity of their case design to Apple TV doesn't really speak to anything besides perhaps a lack of uniqueness in either Apple's design or a tendency for the industry to copycat successful products, can't say which but I've got a dozen products in my home that look more or less like an Apple TV (including an actual Apple TV).

Here's what it boils down to:

Traditionally when you create something, as a business, you have two ways to secure that invention. Either you patent it, in which case your product and processes become public knowledge in return for granting you a period of enforceable exclusive profit or you keep your data a trade secret and the period of exclusivity lasts for as long as you can keep that secret out of your competitors hands. Many companies choose column A, examples being... well, just about anything you can find a patent or trademark for. Other companies choose column B, one famous example being KFC's secret spice recipe - not trademarked or patented, just flat-out secret. If someone got their hands on it and leaked it to the world it'd be open season on their secret spices.

Column C, chosen almost exclusively by Bitcoin businesses and Bitcoin businesses alone, is radical transparency. Tell everyone everything in as much detail as they'll listen to. Enough data to compete with you, to the point of copycatting a process you'd never have been able to mimic otherwise. You've become used to this for some reason, despite the fact that absolutely anywhere else it's not the norm. Walk into any normal tech company and start making these same kind of demands - you'll be removed by security. I'll never understand how a community that grew up around what is essentially a crypto project decided that having secrets and the right to protect those secrets is a bad thing. I understand you like your software and hardware open-source, but out here in the day-to-day tech world FOSS is the exception, not the rule.

If you don't like any of that, you're welcome to vote with your wallet, just don't buy BFL products if you disagree with their methods. Go support bASIC or AvalonASIC or something, competition is good for the marketplace and I'm sure that while BFL, like any company, would love to have a monopoly, the existence of alternatives drives all competitors to create better stuff. There is in fact something you can do about this if you feel slighted, so perhaps stop whining and just do it.

Wrong ask the States Dept of Justice's there is consumer rights for every state just look them up. If you buy something then they need to tell you what it is. You can not sell a product and say its going to do X, with out backing. It falls under a snake oil type law.

Intel will show prototypes of products with spec's before they are sold, Take apple for instance they take pre-orders on iphones but the product has specs released already.
983  Other / Meta / Re: Censorship on Bitcointalk on: October 13, 2012, 02:15:58 PM
I have had words with a mod, but it was in private the way it should be.
984  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Selling .1 BTC for 1$ X8 and giving away .1 BTC X2 on: October 13, 2012, 01:52:04 PM
Thanks with in the next couple of days more tests will be issued, seems the system is very secure for both buyer and seller. Our fraud detection programs have caught 4 bad transactions already. We still got 5 more 0.1 coins for sale please try use out were selling lower then GOX for now!
985  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I posted some flyers in public downtown yesterday on: October 13, 2012, 02:25:13 AM
Should print physical notes valued at .1 and have sponsors for them. So if I donated 1BTC I would have 9 notes printed in my design and keep part for printing cost. Then pass them out like that, think this would be a great exposure with the way physical notes look now.
986  Other / Meta / Re: Deleting threads - Log the Title, URL, date deleted, deleted by, and reason on: October 13, 2012, 02:18:03 AM
Nice look at all those pyramining links lol
987  Other / Meta / Re: Censorship on Bitcointalk on: October 13, 2012, 02:15:54 AM
come on guys, this is one of the free'est forums on the web

where you been hanging out?

long term lending thread  Grin Joking
988  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Selling .1 BTC for 1$ X8 and giving away .1 BTC X2 on: October 13, 2012, 02:04:56 AM
All out of freebies! if you try to get a freebie you will get a code of sorts Cheesy
989  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Selling .1 BTC for 1$ X8 and giving away .1 BTC X2 on: October 13, 2012, 01:45:38 AM
Congrats Mike on getting the second free code!
990  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Selling .1 BTC for 1$ X8 and giving away .1 BTC X2 on: October 13, 2012, 12:30:30 AM
i hope you don't get burned.

stay with smaller amounts and maybe only sell to users from the forum with enough posts or so...

read up http://www.google.com/search?q=chargeback+site%3Adigitaldeliveryapp.com

Read below the purchase button this google is temp. I have a merchant account waiting to get setup, but my system makes credit card purchases easy to track.

Congrats Gus! on claiming the first free code!
991  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Selling .1 BTC for 1$ X8 and giving away .1 BTC X2 on: October 13, 2012, 12:26:02 AM
41 views and no one has claimed the free keys yet lol?
992  Economy / Currency exchange / Bitcoin Key's adding Google Checkout { Old Post} on: October 13, 2012, 12:17:48 AM




VERIFICATION IS REQUIRED
It will take 10-15 minutes of your time to be verified it is ALL DIGITAL NOW!


If using a visa/mastercard or whatever gift card just let me know in advance I will except them!

We added BTC-E codes also!

After you purchase goes through or to pending either you will get your code on spot and/or told its in review. If it goes to review you will get a email, with a link to the code.
A screen will come up as soon as your credit card is accepted with you  private key on it. If your card is put under review for some reason just wait for a email with a update.


 Purchase Keys


Couple of things,
1. I never see your card details
2. I do record your I.P.
3. Any Chargeback from a I.P. Card, Name on Card will beblocked
4. Purchases larger then 25 Dollars will not be allowed until you are verified or I am satisfied it is you
5. Do not use a email address you can not access
6. I reserve the right to Void/Cancel/Decline any order
7. Orders outside of the U.S will take longer to process
80% off verification till Nov 1 with code: Verifyme



If you think you were declined in error contact me and I will double check for you.
If I send you a email and you do not respond with in 30 mins your order will be Void.


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993  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should we be trying harder to stop the BTC black market? on: October 12, 2012, 11:35:49 PM
"Note I did not read the whole post"

If someone wants to buy drugs off the internet let them, better then them going out to a dealer who might have ill intent. Yes they could have ill intent over the internet. But when is the last time you heard of crack head getting jipped on SR and returning to kill the dealer? Or someone going to buy 1000 dollars worth of weed and being gagged tied and bound. I do not support hard drugs at all but if it keeps some crime off the streets and save me some tax dollars have at it. Go in your house and die in a corner. At least science will have another body to study on.

This is a great way to live, " Do not bother me and I will not bother you." In fact that is what america was built on but we have strayed So so far away from it.
994  Economy / Lending / Re: [LOAN] Seeking 12 BTC Loan to Buy 5850 on: October 12, 2012, 11:15:48 PM
Any news? Whats going on?
995  Other / Meta / Re: Censorship on Bitcointalk on: October 12, 2012, 10:36:37 PM
The foundation thing is perfect example of how the venue sets the rules, maybe we need a bitcoin forum foundation JK. V.I.P voting sounds like its the right idea.
996  Other / Meta / Re: Censorship on Bitcointalk on: October 12, 2012, 10:31:23 PM
I think it was more then that have you seen the Spam he/she post with utter nonsense? As we all know free speech is limited to the venue which the speech is being held.
997  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [BETA] BTCconquer 100% Free on: October 12, 2012, 09:45:45 PM
I am moving the Game Client to a new host please give me about 1-2 hours to upload it and set it up. Thanks!
998  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [BETA] BTCconquer 100% Free on: October 12, 2012, 09:41:06 PM
No I zipped the game folder all you have to do is unzip it and click BTCconquer.exe. The only emulator it involves is spoofing the updater in the game.
999  Economy / Currency exchange / Problems with Selling bitcoin with Credit Cards on: October 12, 2012, 07:50:52 PM
I understand everyone is against chargebacks and all that nonsense, but how do digital video game vendors do it? Is this the key business missing from Bitcoin? Would you buy from a Credit Card seller even if they charged a crazy amount like the guys on ebay? http://www.ebay.com/itm/QTY-ONE-1-01-BTC-BITCOIN-DIGITAL-ELECTRONIC-CURRENCY-BITCOINS-BIT-COIN-COINS-/120998021155?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item1c2c0b4823

1000  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Hashpower.com - Buy and Lease Mining Shares on: October 12, 2012, 07:18:09 PM
I got 0 hashrate from my miners lol but on the machine they are mining at 700 MH+
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