It's not only about patience.

I've invested in the bankroll long ago. I don't even remember which casino was it.
The casino was young, the total bankroll was probably small (bitcoin price was small too). My investment was also rather small.
However, when I've checked some weeks later, I was losing money. Maybe it was a mistake, maybe it was my lack of knowledge and patience, I withdrew my remaining money to contain the damage. I've never invested in bankroll again.

So it's a risky investment, which requires some knowledge, patience and money you afford to lose.


PS. Please don't compare investing with gambling. Gambling is not a way to earn money (because a good win vs lose ratio is obviously not guaranteed).

So you claim that there are no honest people and then write some unrelated blah-blah about people having divergences? Really?
I'll stop. You are definitely trolling and I won't feed the troll any longer.

From what I know, Greg's interest's are basically the same as the interests of any honest Bitcoiner.
So going by your logic no honest Bitcoiner would be OK for the moderator tasks.

Far too many seem to be expecting a bullish movement, but the last week was mostly losing on the price (which is obviously normal after the jump we had one week ago).
Week-ends use to bring "unnatural" movements on the market. Also some countries are in banking holiday today. Any bet for what'll happen this week-end?

What you may need is some more merit sources for the Turkish subforum.
So I think that the best approach would be, if you don't want to apply, to convince somebody else apply; of course, it'll have to be somebody suitable...

Edit: If you take this responsibility and write the application, PM me to make sure I don't miss it; I'll surely support you.
Edit2: I am not sure it's 100% correct format, but well.. I clearly support the application.

Would you trust the others into negotiating? Would you have any guarantee that while pretending to accept the negotiation one of the four would try to send with higher fee to a (new) wallet the others don't know?
Imho a fair negotiation is not a valid option.
I expect that if proposed, everybody will agree to split. And then break the agreement. No one would know who broke it.

It's an unregulated market. If they manage to sell, they get some easy money. Some are willing to invest into such scams.
But beware, not all failed ICOs or worthless coins come from scam projects; some may have started with good intentions and simply failed. Also nowadays the altcoin market is so low you may mistake a good project with a failed one just because the volumes and prices have fallen a lot.

I think that the miner fee will be the highest miner fee one of those "spenders" will set before the "spender" block  is mined.
Everybody who knows the private key will try to send it to his own wallet.


As long as different people have the Private Key, any negotiation attempt has a high chance to be fake (one trying to "scam" the others). And we are back to point [1] 

No. Not all, at least not from start. Just too many.
There are obviously a lot of projects with no substance, only to get money. This has become a problem and I see no good solution for it.
But there are also projects that wanted to get some money to start up: some got the money, some didn't, some used the money well, but most didn't. Some had success, some didn't. Some still have success, some are dead or dying.


Actually even the "honest" coins, with no ICO, IEO or whatever have also become subject of speculation, just because it's possible.
But isn't this something that also happens on stock markets and Forex?!

There are a couple of GOLD coins listed at coinmarketcap, but neither of them seems to be your GOLD.
The only advice I can give you is to ask the guys from your coin/website. There's contact form at the end of the page.

Edit: Almost certainly nobody will lend you money with this collateral, so you better move the thread to Altcoin discussions.

Comparing apples with oranges will return nothing relevant.

Libra is the project of some (western) companies; they have to convince regulators in order to avoid fines and bans in various countries. They want to work with Western banks, so they need to be clean.

The Chinese coin will be launched in China. They don't have to ask anyone what to do in their country, they are the government and the regulators there. And they are "the board" for the bank too. Whether the coin will be traded outside China is another interesting matter.

In the western world I expect the Chinese coin be either not traded, either be treated like Tether's little cousin. I think that FB wants more than that for Libra (!)

How (else) could somebody enroll for an airdrop if he doesn't know what Bitcoin is?
How (else) could you prohibit one person from applying multiple times for the money?
You'd need KYC and probably government help too for it. Good luck with that.
Also what will happen with the coins of so many people who still never used internet?!
Also how about the tx fees?

It's a logistics nightmare with no benefit.

As said, the idea has far too many flaws.

60BTC is already priced to half a million Euro. Quite some money and Bitcoin still has plenty of room for growing.
So first of all, I would not put it into some custodian wallet promising whatever. Not your keys, not your money.
I'd think on a business I can start - whether is a business in crypto or not. Even buying one or more houses of apartments for renting is a business.
I'd spend some money and may hire a financial adviser. He may have ideas which didn't occur to me.
Of course, I'd still keep some Bitcoin as investment. Maybe invest in other things too. With such a wealth there are a lot of options to diversify, and by diversifying right I can always stay on profit.


Although 60BTC is quite a wealth, I would not afford to retire only with that. I have to do something to make it make more money. And unless you are already quite old, you'll have to do the same.
Bitcoin rising could be an answer. But I wouldn't rely solely on that.

I am not sure if it's the best place for this, but I've just noticed that about one week ago Tails OS 4.0 was released.
I've done a quick check on it and it contains Electrum 3.3.8.


So after a disappointing Tails 3.16 (September) which didn't update Electrum, after quite a long period Tails had outdated / unsafe Electrum and the users had to learn to update it, now they are back on the right track and we get the current version out-of-the-box.

If you use older version of Tails, I guess that's a good moment to update!

This is a good start.
Now, you probably know that Bitcoin (and altcoins) prices variation/volatility is big. This makes Bitcoin an interesting investment if you have money you afford to lose, but not "safe" as "savings account".
Bitcoin price, on long term, should grow a lot. But there are big falls too and there's a risk that in the moment you need your money the price is lower than when you bought.
Of course, you can be lucky and get rich by buying Bitcoin and catching the best moment to sell. You or your kids..

Edit: I would probably buy Euro, Bitcoin and maybe gold too (although I'm not sure it makes sense for 2-400$)

Congrats dis93 , many thanks DobZombie , AussieBTC and Krogothmanhattan for these raffles!

Something may have change: some people's expectations (and dreams). But they are too fluid to be measured correctly, however, those may have (partly) caused some of the price / trend changes.

1 - NeuroticFish

Thank you

Just another Satoshi wannabe with website, advertising, a story behind and willingness to convince people (and government institutions).
Since he cannot really prove anything, he's just another fly near the "I am Satoshi" pie.

An obvious next step should be to allow proper exchanges in China so they can sell this... thing for Bitcoin and western money.
But we already know that China, by its declarations and actions can be the biggest Bitcoin price... manipulator.