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1  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Pledge to support MAYDAY PAC to end the power of money in American politics on: July 05, 2014, 01:49:58 PM
Jason Alexander (advocate of "gun control" aka disarming only innocents for criminals' safety) is listed as a supporter, so it's going to need a Ron Paul injection to make any self-respecting libertarian give a shit...

How about an injection from Ron Paul's biggest funder? (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/02/investor_peter_thiel_is_the_billionaire_behind_ron_paul_s_presidential_campaign_.html)

Peter Thiel has contributed $150,000 to Mayday PAC (so far): http://venturebeat.com/2014/06/08/can-crowdfunding-end-the-corrupt-influence-of-money-in-u-s-politics-1-5m-in-donations-say-yes/

You may also have heard of Mayday supporter, Steve Wozniak.

2  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: StableCoin on: April 20, 2013, 12:36:54 PM
By the way, the idea of pegging a currency to the price of a particular thing (rather than a broad index) has a respectable economics pedigree: http://marketmonetarist.com/2013/01/09/the-last-brick-rip-james-m-buchanan/
(h/t George Selgin: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2000118 )

I can see how something like the brick standard would work, since bricks are widely used and the central bank can convert money back to bricks. If money loses it's value you go to the Fed, take your bricks and build a home. So it's a good inflation hedge and technical advances to brick making won't be very dramatic. Approached from a public choice point of view it could be worthwhile because it massively cuts the rulers' freedom to fuck with the ruled; unlike other monetary policies which are optimal if only Jesus was head of the central bank.

But tie monetary policy to something like "Kommey normalized million SHA256 hashes" ? Which can jump a whole order of magnitude in price during a year or two ? And which are useless in themselves ? (and either way we won't have a way to transform a coin back to it's component hashes). That doesn't bode well on the stability front. It's rather sad if it's all we can do because it makes stability impractical, not a mere tradeoff.

Processor cycles are not "useless in themselves."  The computing power/energy can be put to other uses. That's the point.

Do Koomey normalized hashes really jump a whole order of magnitude (i.e. 10x) during a year or two?  Source?
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [StableCoin] Welcome and Introduce Yourself... on: April 19, 2013, 08:00:48 PM
This thread is NOT the place to bash the StableCoin concept or criticize its supporters.

Adrian-x, it's understandable if you missed this request by Red.  But please do respect it.  I guess you're free to post whatever you want, but I would ask you to use one of the other thousand threads to debate whether StableCoin is a good idea. I would really enjoy it if we could set that debate aside here and stay on-topic.
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [StableCoin] Welcome and Introduce Yourself... on: April 19, 2013, 06:19:11 PM
Hi,

While I'm relatively new to thinking about Bitcoin, I do have a ph.d. in economics - that is, an agonizingly long training period of thinking carefully about one narrow question. The economics of money is far away from my field, though. My most relevant background before two weeks ago was spending a few months tweaking the rules of Settlers of Catan with friends trying to introduce different types of money (to take the place of barter exchange).

What I did take away from studying economics, however, is that when you are trying to understand something complicated, it is essential to first consider the simplest possible example. Only then can you see clearly that you don't understand the problem. Wink

The situation with Bitcoin is that most enthusiasts do not believe that stable prices are possible without centralization (if they even agree that stable prices are desirable). To me, then, it's clear that priority #1 is to explain a variant of Bitcoin that exhibits self-stabilizing prices in the simplest possible setting. So that's what I've been working on.

Sure enough, I've found over the past couple days that even after making all kinds of simplifying assumptions, I was confused about how my idea would really work. So I'm delayed in writing my answer up. My new target release date for my brief paper is at the end of next week.
5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: StableCoin on: April 18, 2013, 06:35:18 PM
Energy shocks and rapid technical changes would influence the value of money. 3D chips, war with Iran, nuclear fusion, and many other similar things would open the door wide to speculators looking to extract value from the users of the currency.

There are tradeoffs. The potential volatility from the issues you raise has to be weighed against the disadvantages of relying on external information.

By the way, the idea of pegging a currency to the price of a particular thing (rather than a broad index) has a respectable economics pedigree: http://marketmonetarist.com/2013/01/09/the-last-brick-rip-james-m-buchanan/
(h/t George Selgin: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2000118 )
6  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Has anyone proposed a coin that adjusts its supply to stabilize prices? on: April 18, 2013, 02:17:08 PM
I would suggest checking out Decrits before potentially reinventing the wheel. Although I mention several times in that thread that many ideas are tentative, they are not so tentative in the 6+ months of delving down and refining since.

It would be helpful for me if you could write an updated post on Decrits that no longer describes the things as tentative that are not tentative and that includes the refinements you've made. But I understand if you are not interested in doing that.
7  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Has anyone proposed a coin that adjusts its supply to stabilize prices? on: April 18, 2013, 02:09:11 PM
But who would supply that variable? The cost of computing? This would have to be automated and how would that be automated?

Step 1: separate currency creation from securing the network. This is a huge task and one that has been solved in the Decrits proposal.
Step 2: find a way to force miners to compete against each other in who can create coins faster by offering incentives. In addition to this, difficulty must only increase, not decrease (this can only happen if step 1 is in place). See the Decrits proposal.
Step 3: while the technical supply of coins must be unlimited, the realistic amount of coins that can be created in a certain time frame needs to be tied to network activity. To make network activity "honest", a percentage of each transaction must be taken as a fee (Decrits proposes 0.01%).
Step 4: defensive measures must be in place to protect against attacks on the difficulty via ASICs or pooled power. See deeper in the Decrits thread.
Step 4a: make mining create only a portion of new coins with the rest being given away in a lottery to reduce the "hardware tax" as I call it, so that you don't need to be a miner to make a profit using the network. This reduces the power that, for example, a region with cheap electricity would have over one with expensive electricity. It also means that few coins actually need to be paid for in hardware/electricity/time, which as we all know is a complete waste.

And billion other things that would make the network better and more efficient for fun.

<goes to work detailing specific proposal>

edit: To be clear, I'm at work and sort of booked the next couple days. But I'm planning on writing a little analysis up within the week.

I would suggest checking out Decrits before potentially reinventing the wheel. Although I mention several times in that thread that many ideas are tentative, they are not so tentative in the 6+ months of delving down and refining since.

From my initial work, I see the difficulty that you are addressing in Steps 1-3. Step 4, however, and maybe the "billion other things" seem like improvements on Bitcoin that are relatively unrelated to issue of stabilizing the value. Do you think they might be an obstacle to increasing understanding of the StableCoin idea? My thought was to keep my proposal as close to Bitcoin as possible, making only the changes necessary to stabilize the value, as a kind of proof of concept. Then other improvements to Bitcoin could be debated separately.

I am very interested in your Decrits proposal, which I just learned of yesterday, but I'm thinking of finishing outlining my own initial proposal before diving into the details. Before releasing my proposal, though, I intend to look more carefully at yours to make sure I'm not just duplicating it.
8  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Has anyone proposed a coin that adjusts its supply to stabilize prices? on: April 17, 2013, 04:00:19 PM
Folks may be interested in this related, current thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178140.0
9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: StableCoin on: April 17, 2013, 03:59:09 PM
I'm also excited to find this thread!

I just registered yesterday to see if there might be interest in a stable coin proposal: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178027.0
10  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Has anyone proposed a coin that adjusts its supply to stabilize prices? on: April 16, 2013, 07:25:45 PM
To stabilize the price against what?

The goal is to stabilize the prices in B2C (or whatever you want to call the units of this alternative coin) of the goods and services people buy with it. Of course, the relative prices of different goods change, so the goal of price stability is typically conceived in terms of a price index like the Consumer Price Index. What I'm proposing is not to use such an index directly in the code - I'm just saying that the success of my scheme should be measured against an ideal such index.

What I think is possible to implement with minor technical tweaks to Bitcoin is pegging the value of 1 B2C to the real cost of computing one hash. (This peg could change over time according to a pre-determined formula chosen to anticipate changes in the cost of computing, like Moore's law and energy prices.) To the extent that the real cost of computing a hash changes in unanticipated ways relative to the ideal price index, the price index for B2C will still exhibit price inflation or deflation. But that volatility should be much much less than what we are seeing with Bitcoin.

In essence, you are proposing to replace (to some extent) volatility in price with volatility in money supply. Both are prone to speculative games and manipulation.

Still, I like this thread, except that it lacks specific, detailed proposals about the idea you presented in broad strokes above.

<goes to work detailing specific proposal>

edit: To be clear, I'm at work and sort of booked the next couple days. But I'm planning on writing a little analysis up within the week.
11  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Has anyone proposed a coin that adjusts its supply to stabilize prices? on: April 16, 2013, 06:58:36 PM
I expected to find that some of the alternative crypto-currencies would address the issues with price volatility that come from a fixed supply, but I haven't found any.

Price volatility does not come from fixed supply. It comes from speculations on exchanges. Fixed supply  alone would cause a steady deflation.
 

Not if the demand is not steadily increasing (and known to be with certainty by all market participants).
12  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Has anyone proposed a coin that adjusts its supply to stabilize prices? on: April 16, 2013, 06:47:49 PM
To be fair, I think the exciting price swings of Bitcoin have been perfect for generating awareness of crypto-currencies. But the volatility is now an obstacle to more widespread use of Bitcoin as a currency. (I know that Bitpay etc. protects merchants from the volatility, but there's nothing protecting people holding the currency with the intention of spending it on good and services.)
13  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Has anyone proposed a coin that adjusts its supply to stabilize prices? on: April 16, 2013, 06:35:30 PM
ITT proposing price stability in a forum full of speculators

Yes, my proposal would be bad news for the skilled and well-resourced day traders making a profit off of Bitcoin idealism right now.
14  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Has anyone proposed a coin that adjusts its supply to stabilize prices? on: April 16, 2013, 05:38:06 PM
To stabilize the price against what?

The goal is to stabilize the prices in B2C (or whatever you want to call the units of this alternative coin) of the goods and services people buy with it. Of course, the relative prices of different goods change, so the goal of price stability is typically conceived in terms of a price index like the Consumer Price Index. What I'm proposing is not to use such an index directly in the code - I'm just saying that the success of my scheme should be measured against an ideal such index.

What I think is possible to implement with minor technical tweaks to Bitcoin is pegging the value of 1 B2C to the real cost of computing one hash. (This peg could change over time according to a pre-determined formula chosen to anticipate changes in the cost of computing, like Moore's law and energy prices.) To the extent that the real cost of computing a hash changes in unanticipated ways relative to the ideal price index, the price index for B2C will still exhibit price inflation or deflation. But that volatility should be much much less than what we are seeing with Bitcoin.
15  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Has anyone proposed a coin that adjusts its supply to stabilize prices? on: April 16, 2013, 04:37:02 PM
I don't see how it could be done with a minor change specifically on the technical side??
Elaborate.

For that matter, you are assuming that supply is what is causing the variance, which is, imho, quite erroneous.
The main reason I have seen from watching it, is its current status as a commodity rather than a currency.
By virtue of it merely slowly spreading in usage, it will gradually become a currency.

It is important to note that SC is a "was" and not something that ended up functioning at all.

It's just that it's not worth putting the time into elaborating if there is not a critical mass in this community that believes it is desirable to have the supply adjust to stabilize prices. Someone saying, "Elaborate...but it doesn't matter even if that were possible," without being challenged by anyone else is not encouraging.
16  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Has anyone proposed a coin that adjusts its supply to stabilize prices? on: April 16, 2013, 04:13:21 PM
this is not a minor change.

Agreed that it's a major change to the economics - money supply would be adjusted to match money demand and stabilize prices. But it need not be a major change to the way Bitcoin works technologically/politically.
17  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Has anyone proposed a coin that adjusts its supply to stabilize prices? on: April 16, 2013, 03:58:38 PM
the SolidCoin forums.

I see SolidCoin had a similar idea for stable prices: http://solidcoin.info/economy.html

But I'm picturing only a minor tweak to Bitcoin, with potentially the same pricing effect, so the security and decentralized features of this coin would be the same as Bitcoin.
18  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Has anyone proposed a coin that adjusts its supply to stabilize prices? on: April 16, 2013, 03:56:06 PM
Current lower limit has been calculated at 40 bucks something /btc now due to the rising investment cost.

But if the USD exchange rate went lower, wouldn't less efficient miners just drop out, with the difficulty being lowered as needed?

The less efficient miners are the smallest portion, even without asics, the money in the larger mining operations makes them more efficient.
The smaller, less efficient miners being forced out would be a bad thing, as this would leave only larger industry in control of the coin, thus lowering its security in numbers.

So the difficulty would be lowered, right?
19  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Has anyone proposed a coin that adjusts its supply to stabilize prices? on: April 16, 2013, 03:43:57 PM
Current lower limit has been calculated at 40 bucks something /btc now due to the rising investment cost.

But if the USD exchange rate went lower, wouldn't less efficient miners just drop out, with the difficulty being lowered as needed?
20  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Has anyone proposed a coin that adjusts its supply to stabilize prices? on: April 16, 2013, 03:37:16 PM
What would the best forum be to discuss whether my detailed plan would work?
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