I agree with you here on the most part. However both nico and vegasmoon barely post. I can't find much of their history apart from a lot of involvement in other coins.

You and I know who really did a lot of the hard work for mooncoin, and I respect the way you are dealing with things, quite wise words. I will happily discuss with yourself, agswinner, coinflow about changes and positive ways to make them happen.

I will not deal with nico and vegasmoon due to their complete disinterest in interacting with the community much in the past (unless they identify old accounts that did play a part in mooncoin).

Is there a way forward from this you see possible? The discord community is very attached to the new logo and the ANN community is very attached to nico's logo. Can we theoretically use them both?

Also in regards to nico's childish insults and emoticons about people's work. Grow up. Discuss things like an adult, and don't stoop to ad hom. and strawman arguments.

For anyone worried about joining the above discord:

1. I will not just 'ban' or 'kick' you, and neither will the other admins.

2. The chat history of #moon_polls is fully open and available for anyone to read (albeit with some deleted messages likely). You can see what happened and how things progressed to the point where I needed to remove both vegasmoon (vegasguy for those that don't know him) and nico.

These two are free to come back in, I haven't even banned them, merely kicked them.

3. We're not some authoritarian brigade wanting to assume control over mooncoin. We want to use our combined expertise, creativity and motivation to help make mooncoin an amazing digital currency and altruistic innovation. If anyone wanted me or the admins to step down at any point I would do so via a poll and relinquish control to the next best person. Democracy.

I personally want to work on the history of mooncoin, help educate people on it's positive features, and remain out of this discussion over the logo from this point as there are too many people involved.

Why are you invested in moon? The idea of moon, well the original idea was for it to be a currency for all. Now it seems the demands of a few dominate the coin and it has become just another altcoin.

You want to push away people actively wanting to contribute to something in a fair and democratic way like the initial mission of mooncoin?

You're doing a great job at it. And actively causing far more damage than a simple logo change would!

"What has this moon discord done for moon"

If you look around and participate you would know. Talk to the devs who actually come in and talk with a community.

This ANN is a silly place for debate and discussion. This thread is for announcements, and general information on moon. A chat room like Slack or discord is far more efficient to discuss ideas and work with devs.

I have personally finished summarizing the entire previous ANN (517 pages, 11000+ posts) into 20 odd pages of a word document filled with a brief summary and many links to important historical events in mooncoin, many important people and previous issues like this one moon has faced and come through after removing the toxic elements.

Feel free to come in and check it out if you'd like.

https://discord.gg/fbCyhuk

Why do you continue to evade my questions then? I don't understand why you reply to the others, but evade my actual discussion points...

A constructive reply to my post would be great Vegasmoon.

The idea behind the M, was that it is a currency symbol, which MOON is. People in foreign cultures may not use the word "moon" for the moon, but identify it with a character such as in China and Japan (large investors in cryptocurrencies right now)

http://imgur.com/a/0yM9G

Alongside many other variation and words. So yes, the M can be vague in the beginning. What about all the other cryptocurrencies and company logos that are vague until you learn more? It also encourages people to become curious on what this particular symbol means, and actively promotes interest.

Now if we dismiss this and go for the moon option then I agree with some old comments.

First, regarding the initial logo, the moon is not really identified with a golden colour. That logo, while quite eye catching promotes gold, associated with avarice or greed. Bad. Also the words (to the moon) around the side are a bit out of date and not really what moon is just about anymore.

Next, is Niko's logo. Simplistic can work sometimes, but it really doesn't stand out as a strong logo. It's serene, peaceful. It implies this thought process to me personally, "Let's just sit here, wait for great things to happen for us, as this is the moon!"

Here is a good explanation of what the moon means and is associated with in another culture for instance:

http://www.cycleharmony.com/stories/everyday-goddesses/hina-the-hawaiian-moon-goddess

The moon also controls our tide, it is a powerful presence. It has many effects on out ecosystem, and without it there would be an array of extreme natural movements.

I see the moon as a symbol of strength, courage, and solidarity. Think a wolf pack howling at the moon.
There is DESIRE for the moon, to one day reach out and touch it. It provides a light in the dark for those to see and move.

Nico's logo expresses none of this to me. And although Larrimar's logo is not really a symbol of the moon, it stands out as strong, competitive and sophisticated.

People that think this period of discussion is 'toxic' need to go and read the old ANN, at least the first 300 pages 

mooncoin had so much drama at the beginning, right through until September, as Deaconboogie had gone AWOL

Now, the people who held this coin together over that period were primarily coinflow, agswinner, Redjedievolution.

agswinner did a lot to get us on bleutrade, where I think most of the volume has gone.

coinflow acted as a great community manager over the period where there was none. Years even.

Redjedievolution invested a heap into bringing the coin back to life from 2 litoshi, though maybe at his own financial interest, it still benefited the coin as a whole and kept it alive.

There of course were many others who contributed time and effort over the last few years I haven't mentioned, but maybe if these other veteran people were allowed to weigh in on the direction of mooncoin, there would be a lot more fairness. Not just the two who currently oppose change.

Even agswinner commented before

and


So although he is fond of the old logo more, at least agswinner is open to discussion and not openly dismissive.

For those interested, I've been diligently scouring the old ANN to write up moon's history up to the present.

It's a WIP and it will be very rough, mainly bullet pointed links to relevant posts, but eventually I hope to build a proper report/essay out of this so the community and anyone else interested can see what happened to shape mooncoin, and who helped to create the foundations for the new community.
I'll try and have a rough draft up tomorrow, if not by the end of the week.

You're quite the malicious one aren't you.

Well, here's proof you tried to manipulate your own image into first place. Lets see how many of these look legit...




About 4 or 5.

Now, about your tactful approach to showing your concern about having a new logo



So I ask all of you in here, please tell me which of you this offends? There was never any offense intended.

In fact, Evangelo suggested this poll, the marketing director of moon. We merely supported his idea to the best of our ability.

It's done, we won!

Huge celebration in discord!

https://discord.gg/9g9a3g

HumanIQ: 1066
Mooncoin: 815

Though MCF mentioned above the community has agreed to 966, so we may see that bump up soon. (Takes at least one confirmation I think)

James joined us on discord last night (I was asleep sadly), and they had a great discussion over a few mooncoin topics

Feel free to join, check the pins for James' messages and have a read. Initially a very volatile community, it has now become stable, friendly, and motivated.

https://discord.gg/gjtPbsG (permanent link)
https://discord.gg/Q58bbd (if top doesn't work)

Amazing work James!

I'll put it up on the blog and get word out.

I'm currently compiling information on smartlikes and moonword from older posts (Reading the ANN in it's entirety has been really interesting, I advise everyone to do so if they have the time.)

Once I've got my head FULLY around the processes involved and its possible uses, I'll write up a post targeted at the less tech savvy audience.

This is great. People are focusing too much on the 160 vol we had last week, but a more consistent lower volume makes it seem more like a legitimate investment at this stage.

You should probably check again.

Thanks!

I will try to keep information up to date and relevant. It will generally be paraphrases of any information your team releases.

New blog which will be built up soon with resources and explanations on the features of mooncoin.

http://moonchan.org/

I want to make this as educational as possible, so a lot of terminology and technology used in the cryptocurrency world will be explained as best as possible to try and help those new to the scene.

The site's a bit retro right now, and built on wordpress, but I have people interested in forming one from scratch, with data showing growth and prices on exchanges etc. Possibly a calculator to convert Moon > BTC > fiat (which we have running in our chat)

However I am in agreement with Mooncoin_Foundation, I don't want people to become obsessed with the possible money potential, and would prefer them to focus on the technological potential.

Any feedback is welcome.

Alright, thought I'd better pop in and go over some of the activity in the past three days.

Originally a small group of us came across mooncoin in a thread on 4chan's /biz/ board, which surprisingly consisted of solid information on the coin and relevant links. Also a promising coin, sitting at 1 sat? Seemed interesting with the recent developments of coins like RDD and DGB.

We started a discord (https://discord.gg/D57cx8) to gather information and generate a bunch of hype. A few members invested 2-3 BTC worth at 1sat and after about 6 hours we had 30+ members and had helped to bring the coin up to 2sat.

The following day the walls kept falling and interest kept increasing, though many people were in it for the pump and then the obvious dump at 4/5 sat.
We had 150 members at this point, but as the coin fell many people bailed with their quick gains, leaving a lot of people stranded with 3-4 sat buy ins, but still hopeful of future increase.

The majority of people left are in this for the longer term investment, and are actively creating content including copious amounts of pictures, alongside a few people planning to get some informative mining videos on Youtube and create a blog with updates and information.

Assuming this is alright with the devs, we'd like to continue forward and see what the future brings to this coin with a bit of hard work.

I did message James earlier and we swapped a couple of messages, but I thought I'd make our own personal goals clearer here.

The group itself is still quite disorganized, but its been a lot of fun so far, and many people who are new to crypto trading have learned quite a bit about how the market works. Of course there is still much to be done in regards to making a tidy appearance and ensuring no false information is spread, but we are working towards being an honest, open, and for-the-people community.

Any thoughts on this would be much appreciated!

Zareeth.

Curious. There's a lot of automation possibly going on with this wallet
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/moon/address.dws?768300.htm

With this idea of keeping the coins in the hands of the people, is this not frowned on?

I had trouble with this too. Devs might know why.

Try Mooncoin core for now.