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1  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Bitnotes: paper notes backed by bitcoins on: October 14, 2016, 08:34:53 AM
-I can download my keys from a site such as blockchain.info as a pdf file with a fancy scanner code.Basically,print the same which will provide almost similar functionalites.Agree,you've better security.

That's completely different. That would be a backup of your keys. You can't pay with it because you can't prove you don't have another copy. The recipient simply won't believe you. With Bitnotes the recipient can be sure you cannot defraud him.
That's the main point of your security model.

Price will definitely be lower than existing physical bitcoin solutions. If you want to get a free sample and review it as a developer, you will be able to apply. We will launch an application form soon.

Thanks for the feedback so far. Any security remarks? Have anyone read the paper?
2  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Bitnotes: paper notes backed by bitcoins on: October 13, 2016, 04:09:49 PM
Got the feeling you are heading the 'papersafe' way with these notes.
check papersafe.org those are created by the forum member BG4

Of course we know about Papersafe. We did a research properly. Our security design is much more advanced:
  • notes are multisig
  • can be verified offline
  • the holograms are hot-stamped (not stickers)
  • many more security features in design and print


Who was the demographic in this design? It's tricky because multi sig isn't for grandpa and the savvy user has digital means now.

Only the first holder/issuer has to be tech/bitcoin savvy. All other holders just need to download the verification app and scan the big QR code. That's all. The app will tell them if a particular note is genuine and loaded and possibly guide them through security features examination if they see the note for the first time.
3  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Bitnotes: paper notes backed by bitcoins on: October 12, 2016, 02:33:05 PM
What was the need that made you create this?

The need for secure physical bitcoins.

There are many use cases: trading bitcoins with newbies, introducing new persons into Bitcoin via a gift, cold storage for conservative investors, possibly buying BTC in ATMs.

There have been many attempts to produce physical bitcoins and there is definitely a market for them.

Our product is not very similar to OpenDime. You won't need a computer with full USB port to accept a BItnote. Only a smartphone with an appropriate app.
You don't have to scratch it off at all, you can pay with it to somebody else. That's the main point. It's reusable. Like cash.

The second main point is that the manufacturer cannot steal the funds as long as you don't reveal the user's key from a particular Bitnote.
4  Economy / Economics / Re: The future of the paper money on: October 12, 2016, 06:23:34 AM
Hi folks,

we believe that provably backed money can be the future of physical cash.

We invented Bitnotes, it's an empty medium that you can load with bitcoins and pass around like a banknote.







Our thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1643021.0

All pics: https://imgur.com/gallery/jZfMD

We believe the majority of people all around the world is used to physical cash and this product can help them grasp Bitcoin and help preserve value.
5  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Bitnotes: paper notes backed by bitcoins on: October 11, 2016, 03:07:20 PM
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6  Bitcoin / Project Development / Bitnotes: paper notes backed by bitcoins on: October 11, 2016, 03:06:12 PM
TL;DR

Bitnotes are:

  • multisig paper wallets
  • distributed empty as sheets of 3 notes
  • one key is under a tamper-evident scratch-off seal
  • second key is added by the customer
  • additional digital sig issued by the manufacturer is present if properly issued and backed

Keep it as a cold storage or pay with it. Verify it offline using a mobile app (not yet ready).
   
  • Samples (READY!) for testers and reviewers will be given out in November 2016
  • Production batch hopefully in Q2 2017
  • All necessary apps will be opensourced

Pics: https://imgur.com/gallery/jZfMD   
Paper: http://www.bitnotes.org/bitnotes.pdf
Website: http://www.bitnotes.org
Twitter: https://twitter.com/BitNotesOrg




Full post

Bitnotes - Trust-reduced physical bitcoins with offline verification

We believe that physical cash has its place even in the digital age. Thanks to Bitcoin it is possible, for the first time in history, to issue coins and banknotes with verifiable backing.

Today cash is not backed at all, being the result of a complex several decade lasting transformation of money, at the beginning of which stood a fraud of precious metal depositories. However, paper notes were originally backed in gold or silver. The holder trusted the money issuer - a bank - that there was an adequate backing in precious metal, which could be any time redeemed.


   
Using Bitcoin as the asset for backing physical cash brings a tremendous advantage and shifts the cash to a qualitatively new level. The holder may redeem paper banknotes for the underlying backing any time and without assistance.

Surely you've heard of Casascius coins or Bitcoin Suisse certificates (looking like banknotes). Each of these and many other physical Bitcoins bear an integrated private key in the form of a tamper-evident box, which allows a non-stop withdrawal of Bitcoins and devaluation of the physical medium.
   


However, the issuer must know the private key to produce the physical Bitcoin. Therefore, the holder must continue to trust the issuer since the issuer may control the Bitcoins and, to be precise, devaluate the holder´s banknote or coin without a notice.

Thanks to Bitcoin there is an opportunity to verify the backing any time and a chance to really use it, but what remains is the fear of a future misappropriation of backing by the issuer. Who knows whether an initially honest issuer having copies of private keys will eventually resist own temptation, will not become the victim of a hacker attack or physical violence. The safety of Bitcoins seems then compromised.

That is why we have created BitNotes: Bitcoin cash which makes the holder the only person knowing the necessary secret information to deal with Bitcoins.



In some respects, the issuer still must be trusted (see below), but used Bitcoins can no more be misappropriated.

How does it work?

The solution is built on 4 pillars:

  • Multisignature authorization scheme: Precisely 2 of 2
  • Tamper-evident technology
  • Security print
  • Digital signature

The manufacturer distributes an unbacked (blank) note with a private key integrated in the form of a tamper-evident box.

The second private key is determined by the customer – holder, who sends already acquired Bitcoins to the multisig address.

As the next step, the holder asks the issuer to produce a digital signature – to confirm that the given piece of note is backed. Afterwards the holder completes the note with the private key and digital signature and that way produces the note similarly to a check.

Supposing that the tamper-evident box is still intact, neither the holder nor the manufacturer can manipulate with Bitcoins. Both know only one of two required keys. However, the holder may any time decide to redeem Bitcoins, i.e. to scratch the tamper-evident box and move Bitcoins elsewhere. However, this will visibly devaluate the note.

Charged notes may be used for payments, where payees can verify the security features visually (especially the intactness of the scratch-off box, the presence of hologram, watermark, etc.) and verify the digital signature of the issuer. Both can be done offline.

Is this solution decentralized? Trustless?
No. We do not think that cash may be produced with a fully decentralized model of issuance and trustless nature of Bitcoin.

The issuer must always be a central authority, a manufacturer of physical product with security features. Although such an authority cannot misappropriate Bitcoins in our scheme, it still needs to be trusted and act honorably. In particular:
  • The product must feature the highest possible security using the security print as protection against counterfeiting
  • There must be only one copy of each note with particular serial number
  • The issuer may not conspire with another entity on the market in order to collect private keys of users
  • The issuer may not produce fake digital signatures on blank notes

However, there may be more bitcoin notes issuers active on the market under the proposed scheme and competing with each other. Being honest is the first prerequisite for business success. Violation of any of the above is easily detectable and does not indicate a systemic threat to all note holders. More likely it will result in loss of confidence in the issuer and its business death.

How does it look?

The whole gallery is here: https://imgur.com/gallery/jZfMD

Where to read more?

White paper: http://www.bitnotes.org/bitnotes.pdf

Feedback will be much appreciated!

   
   
7  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER Speculation Thread on: January 17, 2014, 04:25:46 PM
From my point of view ASICMINER is the only reasonable investment opportunity in the world of BTC mining. It will most probably flood the market with petahashes of reliable, efficient and well-tested chips and tuned immersion cooling accessories. I suppose it is the only vendor which will be able to deliver large-scale mining solutions and start a whole new segment - industrial mining.

I don't know how about KNC, but HashFast and CoinTerra doesn't seem to be able to produce and ship hundreds of thousands of chips/miners. They probably won't be able to gain larger portion of the market in the nearest months.

I expect AM security to experience huge income of new investors in the upcoming weeks/months. Price will probably rise substantially.
8  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: January 17, 2014, 04:19:45 PM
Why is that not being announced by friedcat and/or the imaginary PR-person?

because, they don't care?

I expect PR person to appear on the scene as soon as AM has 3rd gen for immediate delivery. PR is usually headed towards retail, not towards shareholders...
9  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER Speculation Thread on: January 04, 2014, 10:04:24 PM
If some entity is going to make a huge order of mining and/or immersion cooling equipment, would it make sense for such an entity to buy AM shares and get some of the invested funds back via dividends?
10  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Ghash.io owner might have more then 1 million bitcons on: November 29, 2013, 10:13:31 AM
Ghash.io will hardly keep its hashpower share in the long term. And they must pay out shareholders of course....
Its position doesn't worry me at all.
11  Economy / Securities / Re: [Bitfunder]&[WeExchange] WARNING! The Fall of Ukyo! on: November 14, 2013, 09:41:57 AM
Wait a minute, I dont get it at all. If Ukyo has the BTC, why not to transfer them ALL to another wallet and process all withdrawals manually?

What is more important for a provider of a financial service, to recover customers' trust and keep credibility, or fix some technical problems thoroughly?
12  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: What ever happened to Butterfly Labs' BitSafe Wallet ? on: October 08, 2013, 08:28:38 PM
Just another waporware...
13  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Leaving Negative Feedback for BitSyncom, Scammed on Trade-ins, Scammed on Chips, on: September 30, 2013, 06:56:50 PM
Yifu I asked for a refund on batch 3 Avalon orders in time. Using the official ticket system (not using the scammy looking Google Docs refund form which could have been made by anyone).

Insted of refund I got the units. Late, very late, of course. They won't ROI. I'm also considering negative feedback.
14  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Please don't Buy Butterfly 28nm 600GH/S they will NEVER Deliver! on: August 19, 2013, 09:14:15 PM
The OP is right. I'm very happy I quit this sinking boat months ago...
15  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon ASIC users thread on: August 10, 2013, 04:16:47 PM
If you haven't already, you have to delete/remove WiFi, not just disable/stop it.  Network->Wifi->Remove

May I ask why disabling isn't enough?
16  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Reasons for high arbitrage levels on: July 24, 2013, 11:07:11 PM
Anyway, my point is there is no arbitrage opportunity, but there is a serious problem with mtGox.

+1

I has been discussed somewhere else but anyway: maybe MtGox price is above "normal" (let's say an average from other exchanges) price because of low BTC supply. It's possible people are buying BTC just to move funds out of MtGox since it is now the only reliable way how to do it... If this is the case, it can trigger greater panic buying I think.

And one more point: If all above was true, we should not value Bitcoin according to MtGox charts anymore.
17  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon orders - batch #3 refund requests thread on: July 15, 2013, 06:29:00 AM
Am I the only one who is afraid the provided Google refund form might be a scam? I got no newsletter via email and it doesn't seem wise to trust a link who someone just posted on the Internet...

It's sad that even their support system isn't properly secured... (I would prefer SSL encryption at least)

You must not be subscibed to bitsyncom's newsletters.   There was a mass mailing with this information directly from yifu.  People just reposted it on the forum.  Not a scam.

Oops... I never got any email from BitSyncom. I thought newsletter subscription was done automatically during the order process, now it seems it wasn't..

I have to pray support ticket asking for refund will be enough. Otherwise I will have some units for sale :-(
18  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon Batch #3 & More on: July 14, 2013, 04:03:35 PM
Is there any trusted source which confirms the google refund form ( https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1qYcIa0TQqUDJzvaKrF8mlJFfPRbf_h5d85Ers3wu040/viewform?pli=1 )
is legit and produced by BitSyncom? I got no newsletter via email.

I'm surprised how many people just fill it out without wondering where it came from...
19  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon orders - batch #3 refund requests thread on: July 14, 2013, 01:18:18 PM
Am I the only one who is afraid the provided Google refund form might be a scam? I got no newsletter via email and it doesn't seem wise to trust a link who someone just posted on the Internet...

It's sad that even their support system isn't properly secured... (I would prefer SSL encryption at least)
20  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL ASIC STATUS 5/29 on: May 30, 2013, 09:20:27 PM
I got my refund and I feel soooooo good  Cool
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