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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Chainlink (LINK) - middleware that connects smart contracts to external world on: September 14, 2017, 04:05:37 AM
https://www.americanbanker.com/news/the-...real-world

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Smart contracts technology is rapidly maturing. Self-executing coded agreements are being harnessed to launch new digital assets and will soon be used by American corporations to issue shares of stock on a blockchain overseen by the state of Delaware.

But there is something impeding the technology, keeping its use largely confined, thus far, to the hothouse realm of cryptocurrencies.

Because of how blockchain transactions are recorded and verified by consensus, smart contracts are unable, on their own, to talk to external data feeds. That makes them excellent tools for playing in the Ethereum sandbox but not so useful in the outside world.

What is needed, experts say, are more and better "oracles," pieces of middleware by which smart contracts can receive, and act on, data from off-chain systems.

Only through oracles can smart contracts provide benefit to banks — or indeed do much more than move digital tokens around. A smart contract behaving like a financial instrument might need to know commodity or equity prices, for instance.

"Part of the reason that we're seeing Ethereum used almost exclusively for ICOs is that there is a lack of robust, general-purpose oracles today, and therefore it's very difficult to construct useful, interesting smart contracts," said Ari Juels, co-director of the Initiative for CryptoCurrencies and Contracts at the Jacobs Technion-Cornell Institute at Cornell Tech in New York, who recently became an adviser to the San Francisco startup SmartContract. "So I see it as an absolutely critical piece of infrastructure."

Sergey Nazarov, SmartContract's founder and CEO.
"Without data inputs and without payment outputs that users want to receive, it's difficult to imagine a financial agreement of any worth," says Sergey Nazarov, SmartContract's founder and CEO.
SmartContract has made building better oracles its mission. The startup didn't invent the concept, nor is it the only company trying to enable smart contracts with real-world applications. But it is positioning itself to succeed.

SmartContract recently completed phase one of an implementation with Swift that will allow banks' back-office Swift systems to talk to smart contracts. That is meaningful because, if a smart contract can respond to a Swift message, it can send money in dollars or yen, not just in cryptocurrency.

"Without data inputs and without payment outputs that users want to receive, it's difficult to imagine a financial agreement of any worth," said Sergey Nazarov, SmartContract's founder and CEO.

SmartContract's work with the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication came about after the startup won the organization's Innotribe Industry Challenge earlier this year. The partnership so far amounts to "a successful proof of concept," Hazel Nolan, Swift's project manager for Innotribe innovation programs, said in a brief email.

SmartContract is already having concrete discussions with Swift about phase two of the implementation, according to Nazarov, and Nolan said her organization looks forward "to exploring potential opportunities to work together in the future."

If all goes well, 11,000 banks will eventually be able to use smart contracts to initiate payments.

SmartContract, despite its name, is not actually in the business of writing smart contracts. Nazarov sees his company instead as "an accelerant," connecting disparate systems.

To that end, he hopes soon to launch a network called ChainLink, in which various node operators will function as sellers of data or payments capabilities, and will be paid in LINK tokens, a new digital asset Nazarov intends to roll out this year.

SmartContract has been developing ChainLink for the past three years.

"This isn't an idea. This isn't a white paper. This isn't something on a whiteboard somewhere," Nazarov said.

The network is designed to empower an emerging business model in which oracles will be paid for what they offer, just as cryptocurrency miners are.

"Oracles are the new miners in the blockchain world," Patrick Murck, special counsel at the New York law firm Cooley, recalls saying at a conference last year. "And I still believe that's true."

Driving the business model will be the need for reliable data sources. In many cases, a single source won't be enough.

Murck gives an example: Let's say that two baseball fans want to bet on the outcome of a game between the New York Yankees and the Boston Red Sox. Each fan stakes one bitcoin, and they create a smart contract that will rely on a trusted, machine-readable data source — the ESPN sports wire — to learn who has won the game. At that point, the wagered cryptocurrency will be released to either the Yankees fan or the Red Sox fan.

Let's say the fans, devoted as they are, attend the game and see the Red Sox win five to four. But at ESPN somebody makes a transcription error and reverses those numbers. The error is immediately caught and corrected, but too late for our hapless Red Sox fan; the smart contract has already released the bitcoins to the wrong person.

"These errors in data happen all the time," said Murck, who is also a fellow at Harvard University's Berkman Klein Center for Internet and Society.

In financial systems, such a foul-up could be disastrous. The ChainLink network, says Nazarov, should provide an easy way to match up smart contracts with the information resources they need.

"You can go and say, 'I want to make bank payments from HSBC; here's what I'm willing to pay,' " Nazarov said.

SmartContract intends to launch an initial coin offering for its LINK token this fall, with a fundraising goal of $33 million. One billion tokens will be created, of which 35% will be distributed in the crowdsale. Another 35% will be given to node operators to kickstart the ChainLink ecosystem. SmartContract plans to retain the rest to cover ongoing development costs.

While the success of ChainLink is uncertain, oracles seem destined only to grow in importance over time.

"Smart contracts voraciously need data in order to do their job," Murck said. "Somebody's got to provide it."

TLDR version:
-Oracles/middleware that connects smart contracts to external world
-partnership with SWIFT (protocol for banks) and adoption by 11000 banks if successful
-working prototype/proof of concept
-product has been worked on for over 4 years
-Devs are all killers. One of the new ones is director of engineering for Facebook
-I think this will do very well (I think 50-100x isn't crazy talk in a 1 year time-frame)



Sept 19 is ICO: http://smartcontract.com/link

Video: https://youtu.be/nMlpTgxKtAY
2  Economy / Speculation / Re: Where is the BCC dump? on: August 08, 2017, 01:50:56 PM
BCC already immensely successful. $1000 in November.

That's why I bought some BCC... the BCC price chart looks ridiculously similar to any other alt coin, like Dash, first PUMP, then hitting the bottom followed by raising up to the ATH.

I still believe in Bitcoin, but BCC is really good for speculations and we can make even more bitcoins by trading Bitcoin Cash.

Today when Segwit locks-in, we can see a good rally in both BTC and BCC, but you'll probably get more profit with BCC and selling tomorrow.

BCC is going to be the preferred Bitcoin by miners and retailers. Average people don't care much for social conventions of using the "original" and these conventions breakdown with technological innovation. That's why ETH was seriously feared to flip BTC. BTC is like a cell phone from the 90's, it's useful and necessary but when you have an smartphone it becomes obsolete. BTC sycophants think their coin is a priceless artwork that will continue to appreciate in value for their entire lifetime and beyond but I don't think this will be the case. If something better comes along, like a copy with significant improvements that will be preferred, just like the smartphone. BCC has improvements on BTC and who knows, might utilize smart contracts in the future while BTC is left behind. I'm sure BTC will retain value but it might be superseded by BCC in the future. 
3  Economy / Speculation / Re: Where is the BCC dump? on: August 08, 2017, 01:30:50 PM
BCC already immensely successful. $1000 in November.
4  Economy / Speculation / Re: BCC taking the crown. on: August 06, 2017, 10:58:35 AM
The volume is really big like bitcoin? You're either nuts or lying...

BCC last 10 blocks, took 8 hours to confirm, in that time there were 3.483 transactions worth 61 million USD.
Bitcoin last 10 blocks took under 1.5 hours to confirm, in that time there were 15.438 transactions worth 428 million USD.
Now scale that up to the BCC timeframe and we see BCC has less than 2.7% of the economic traffic of Bitcoin

So what's the point of this coin?

Your figures just show how pathetic this Bitcoin Cash is. If its economic power is only around 3% of Bitcoin's, then its current price of about 200 dollars per coin is still overhyped, and it has plenty of room where to collapse into. If we make simple calculations (I know they are not meaning anything in particular but still), we should see its price well below 100 dollars. And this is where this shit alt coin belongs, i.e. below 100 dollars per coin closer to the lower end of that range at that

It IS pathetic, that's not the point i was trying to make when i started the topic.

My points are:
BCC is true to Satoshis whitepaper

I don't quite understand what you refer to here

If Satoshi envisaged Bitcoin as a currency, i.e. as a genuine means of payment and exchange, then I agree that Bitcoin is nowhere near that. But, on the other hand, I can't possibly see how Bitcoin Cash takes us in that direction. Such adoption still won't happen just because BCC has larger blocks. People won't miraculously stop speculating with Bitcoin and start using it as a payment for goods and services. Further, even on purely technical grounds, there are already much more efficient and effective off-chain solutions that offer virtually unlimited processing capacity, and that doesn't mean that we should write them off completely and blindly follow "Satoshi's vision" simply because he didn't know about these solutions in his time

I'm sorry but if you really don't understand the danger BCC poses to Bitcoin you really don't understand economics or Bitcoin.
People are really getting fed up with the bankster/blockstream NWO agenda of Bitcoin and that will show sooner rather than later.
Remember we created Bitcoin to have an opportunity to get rid of those banksters, big corporations and governments influencing and controlling our finances.

This is all empty talk

Read the whitepaper. Hell, just read the synopsis of the whitepaper written by any person. It's clear to anyone reading your post you don't know what you are talking about.
5  Economy / Speculation / Re: BCC taking the crown. on: August 06, 2017, 12:15:58 AM
we will know the answer at the next difficulty adjustment in 6 days.. BCC has fast difficulty reduction, if that kicks in and the difficulty goes down, miners will hop en masse while starving the btc chain. That is the moment of truth. Right now, everyone is just counting their future bitcoin earnings not thinking for a moment that value of their prized coin is about to be challenged in a serious way

And what is it going to change?

The price is determined at exchanges, while traders don't particularly care about how long it takes for transactions to confirm and how much people have to pay as fees. Even if half of all the miners all of a sudden switch to mining Bitcoin Cash will it help its price, and if it will, how exactly, i.e. by what means? The mining difficulty of all shit coins is next to nothing but that alone is certainly not enough to magically resurrect them and keep alive. Really, if no one is going to use BCC, what is the purpose of all that hashing power accumulated by miners that would amount to mining almost empty blocks?



Mining is a selfish business. The idea is that we will see some BTC miners migrate to mine BCC and then

*this is where my wild speculation happens*

Big Blockers suddenly leave BTC to mine BCC (which was always the plan). BTC at this point grinds to a halt because they can't adjust to the situation and because the remaining BTC miners cannot mine BTC at this point they will switch en mass to BCC. The result is chaos resulting in BCC going up in value, BTC going down because BTC holders will want to hedge their holdings by buying into BCC. You say nobody is going to use BCC but what I am saying is they *might* if the BTC network grinds to a halt for a prolonged period.

6  Economy / Speculation / Re: BCC taking the crown. on: August 05, 2017, 03:42:05 PM
I like this FUD. But I think it won't happen until November.

If nothing happens between now and end of November and BCC remains at around 0.06BTC or less I will probably abandon the belief that BCC is taking the crown. At that point I will just find solace in the fact that BCC will just be analogous to ETC and will still go up in value, just not as much.

I don't mean to spread FUD. I am merely speculating and trying to make money from it. Next week I plan to take a position in BCC/BCH. I personally don't believe most of our opinions will matter in what happens. In the end, the miners will decide what happens with Bitcoin. If BTC does well and goes up to 10k, I can see BCC trailing it at 1k so no matter which way it goes it will work out for me I think.

I think unless you sold every BCC you got by an air-drop, you will be fine no matter what happens and with profit and that applies to everyone. Selling all BCC is short-sighted if BCC taking over really happens, most people would actually lose all their money. I usually laugh at those people who spam dumping on twitter and here on this forum full of clowns.

I have to agree, selling BCC is incredibly short-sighted. I suppose I can't blame anyone. The mainstream attitude is that BCC is "free cash" to acquire more BTC or alt coins. It makes a lot sense to sell it before the market is flooded with supply too, so I can't blame them for that. I would have bought back into BCC after selling but at this point people think this coin is going to die or become valueless even though it's still in the top 5 of market cap. Right now BTC is at a ATH and alts are up too because of the "free cash" but this will dry up when the BCC runs dry and the flow of money ends.
7  Economy / Speculation / Re: BCC taking the crown. on: August 05, 2017, 03:32:55 PM
I like this FUD. But I think it won't happen until November.

If nothing happens between now and end of November and BCC remains at around 0.06BTC or less I will probably abandon the belief that BCC is taking the crown. At that point I will just find solace in the fact that BCC will just be analogous to ETC and will still go up in value, just not as much.

I don't mean to spread FUD. I am merely speculating and trying to make money from it. Next week I plan to take a position in BCC/BCH. I personally don't believe most of our opinions will matter in what happens. In the end, the miners will decide what happens with Bitcoin. If BTC does well and goes up to 10k, I can see BCC trailing it at 1k so no matter which way it goes it will work out for me I think.


I can't think of a single reason why miners wouldn't switch en masse to the BCC chain, mining is a selfish business, they go where there is profit to be made.
Unless Bitcoin reaches like $8.000 within 6 days it will be more profitable to switch.

Many pro-BTC people are saying that BTC mining is still more profitable than BCC. I'm no expert in this field but the counter argument is that BCC can adjust difficulty whereas BTC (segwit or segwit2x) will not have this key feature unless they HF and implement it. Also it has been alluded that if big blockers suddenly switch to mining for BCC, that will be enough to grind BTC transactions to a halt and as I mentioned earlier, BTC has no difficulty adjustment like BCC so it would be in trouble.
8  Economy / Speculation / Re: BCC taking the crown. on: August 05, 2017, 03:23:41 PM
I like this FUD. But I think it won't happen until November.

If nothing happens between now and end of November and BCC remains at around 0.06BTC or less I will probably abandon the belief that BCC is taking the crown. At that point I will just find solace in the fact that BCC will just be analogous to ETC and will still go up in value, just not as much.

I don't mean to spread FUD. I am merely speculating and trying to make money from it. Next week I plan to take a position in BCC/BCH. I personally don't believe most of our opinions will matter in what happens. In the end, the miners will decide what happens with Bitcoin. If BTC does well and goes up to 10k, I can see BCC trailing it at 1k so no matter which way it goes it will work out for me I think.
9  Economy / Speculation / Re: BCC taking the crown. on: August 05, 2017, 02:58:37 PM
we will know the answer at the next difficulty adjustment in 6 days.. BCC has fast difficulty reduction, if that kicks in and the difficulty goes down, miners will hop en masse while starving the btc chain. That is the moment of truth. Right now, everyone is just counting their future bitcoin earnings not thinking for a moment that value of their prized coin is about to be challenged in a serious way.
10  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Legacy (aka AXAcoin, aka Bitcoin Core Coin) chain won't survive on: August 05, 2017, 11:35:31 AM
I think it is human nature for people to cheat if the cost is small and the reward is large.

I ask myself, was it costly for big blockers to fork the chain to get BCC? At present I can't see much cost on the big blocker side. Maybe a loss in reputation for the moment. The reward was immense. They already got their optimal/profitable version of bitcoin that they can put their 100's of millions of equipment towards. The cost/reward explains why the hard fork took place despite the consensus to do segwit2x.

Then the next question is whether the big blockers will pull their resources from BTC. The cost would be another stain on their reputation, public outcry, the market would take a hit as BTC grinds to a halt. Since BTC doesn't have difficulty adjustment like BCC a sudden pull back by big blockers will not end well. The rewards are immense for them. Their version will moon and replace BTC as Bitcoin and they can profit and dictate Bitcoin's future, no more appeals and consensus reaching with Core devs. The cost/reward does indicate to me that this has a good chance of taking place.
11  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Legacy (aka AXAcoin, aka Bitcoin Core Coin) chain won't survive on: August 05, 2017, 05:46:13 AM
There has been rumors about BTC whales accumulating BCC but that's been just words on forums until I saw individual whales buy 100-200 worth of BTC in a few buy orders on bittrex. This was when the price hit $250/BCC. Until then I reasoned that the whole big blockers/OG money conspiring to take replace their BTC holding with the new bitcoin, BCC, was just a wild theory. You can dismiss this story saying those whales are just idiots but I don't think they got to where they are because they were dumb. At the very least, I believe BCC is a hedge against BTC failing and the value of BCC will be trail BTC the same as ETC to ETH.
12  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bancor | Protocol for Smart-tokens, solving the liquidity problem on: June 21, 2017, 12:54:34 AM
Did anyone here go through Bitcoin Suisse and not receive their Bancor tokens yet?
Btc suisse have your token, but they cant move the Bnt yet because its not transferable yet

thanks for the prompt response!

Smiley
13  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bancor | Protocol for Smart-tokens, solving the liquidity problem on: June 20, 2017, 11:50:33 PM
Did anyone here go through Bitcoin Suisse and not receive their Bancor tokens yet?
14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bancor | Protocol for Smart-tokens, solving the liquidity problem on: June 19, 2017, 06:24:57 AM
https://medium.com/@meimatsumoto11/so-one-question-how-the-bancor-smart-contract-gonna-balance-the-price-in-the-exchanges-with-their-a9ed38e808b

This is by far the best explanation of what BNT prices will look like. My only issue is whether CRR will be 10 or 20% and how this will change the price simulation.
15  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bancor | Protocol for Smart-tokens, solving the liquidity problem on: June 17, 2017, 07:36:49 AM
What's the current CRR?
 10% or 20% ?
16  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Tether: not even a scam on: June 14, 2017, 03:31:45 PM
I'm actually worried that almost any day now the crypto Market will crash. Which exchanges actually use USD and not USDt?
17  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bancor | Protocol for Smart-tokens, solving the liquidity problem on: June 12, 2017, 05:08:54 PM
anyone who went through Bitcoin Suisse receive their BNT?
18  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bancor | Protocol for Smart-tokens, solving the liquidity problem on: June 10, 2017, 06:07:44 PM
Timing is very bad for the ICO.

Etherium is making huge gains and people don't want to miss it. The conversion into BNT also got a lot pricier, each BNT is 3.10, probably 3.50 by the time of ICO.
19  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bancor | Protocol for Smart-tokens, solving the liquidity problem on: June 10, 2017, 03:18:07 PM
Here's something I want an answer to. Perhaps someone at Bancor can answer this.

My understanding is that these BNT's will basically be receipts for a library of cryptocurrencies. That's great but most people will accept Bitcoin or ETH already because these can be redeemed for fiat.

Will the BNT owner have to convert to ETH or BTC to redeem it's value or will BNT be readily be able to be exchanged with fiat AND/OR be able to be used through a Token card eventually? It would a lot of sense for this to happen, how soon can we expect it?
20  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bancor | Protocol for Smart-tokens, solving the liquidity problem on: June 09, 2017, 01:29:03 PM
Why go to Bitcoin Suisse now? It's uncapped for 1hour, there is no benefit to using them now.

Too much stress and I will be working at that time, if I can get it sorted out before I would gladly pay the fee.

Download parity, send ETH to it and configure it so it sends it at the right time and address. If you don't own a laptop/desktop, disregard this advice.
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